#indieweb 2018-12-19

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snarfed i'll just leave this here: https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/18/18145089/twitter-latest-tweets-toggle-ranked-feed-timeline-algorithm
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Loqi snarfed: kisik21 left you a message 3 days, 21 hours ago: bridgy fed processes follow-of. I need something that can publish that post via Micropub. I wanna write my own client for this...
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[matpacker] [snarfed] meanwhile, the latest Instagram update removed support for iPhone “max” sizes….ooops
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snarfed silos gonna silo
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[tantek] wait, what were iPhone "max" sizes?
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[matpacker] iPhone Xs max, i.e. the big iPhone.
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[tantek] I mean, what does that mean? what was the actual size?
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Ruxton ipHone max has 6.5inch display, XR has 6.1 nch
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Ruxton until october, insta just scaled up for them, then they added native layouts for them.. now it sounds like its gone again O_o
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[matpacker] haha too fast for me
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[eddie] I think the Instagram update has a regression bug. I don’t think it’s intentional
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Ruxton yah
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Ruxton they regress things often
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Ruxton and then they turn up a few days later
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[matpacker] Yeh, mistakes happen.
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Ruxton ehhh.. if you regress a major change like layouts, without intending to do it, something is pretty broken in your build process.
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[matpacker] Blame the intern
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Ruxton but they're likely drinking the FB Kool Aid of fast iteraton deploys
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[matpacker] It’s all a race. I think it’s likely been stuffed up with the new feature release, live chat in Instagram TV or whatever it’s called
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Ruxton yeah that'll do it, big merge conflict from merging up months of work :P
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[matpacker] haha I shouldn’t laugh
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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GWG Morning, Zegnat
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Zegnat Did you do anything IndieWeb today, GWG?
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GWG Zegnat: I walk the Indieweb walk and I talk the Indieweb talk
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GWG But, still in location land
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GWG I actually paused to write some release notes before I'm ready to release.
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Zegnat I am still hanging in auth land. Progress slow. But hopefully I can get something on the calendar this month.
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[kevinmarks] Does instagram have an iPad layout yet?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Let’s Make Twitter Great Again? – A Reflection on a Social Media of One" https://readwriterespond.com/2018/12/lets-make-twitter-great-again-a-reflection-on-a-social-media-of-one/
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petermolnar twitter was never great...
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[kevinmarks] I liked it in 2009
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petermolnar it was new, and it allowed you to very easily shout short things into the world, but it was never great, in my opinion. geocities, despite everything, was great.
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[jgmac1106] Vintage Twitter tannins really came out that year
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[jgmac1106] I am helping some Mozilla volunteers in India recruite speakers for their privacy month 30-60 min webinar type meetings. No anybody let me know...like peopl who talk about hotel keys as metaphors for authentication and security
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[jgmac1106] or anyone who wants to talk abotu how having your own website is first step to privacy
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petermolnar I might challenge that statement - how having your own website is first step to privacy -, given domain registration requires real names, credit cards, most even need physical address, etc. I'm aware that most of them could now be put behind safety rules, but it's not the kind of anonym privacy many apply to the word privacy.
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[jgmac1106] why is prvacy always defined as hiding your info? I can be in the phone book and be a private person
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[jgmac1106] the difference with having your own website as the first step in privacy is you control who gets to access to your data. You do not have this control when you use social media
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[jgmac1106] I can be open and private
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petermolnar I agree; my sentence was not disagreeing with you; it was a notion that privacy, in contemporary context, is usually bonded together with anonymity
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sknebel it's not "always defined as", but you need to be careful everyone understands what your definition is
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[jgmac1106] Need to do a piece on that, maybe a three circle Venn diagram privacy, anonymity, and open, neither the same or mutually exclusive
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[jgmac1106] yeah I am in the US, we define privacy as, "come on my land and I get to shoot you"
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petermolnar this is the same issues I have with people bashing encrypted email: it's private. Is it anonym? No. Still private.
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[jgmac1106] maybe encryption should be in same post...
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[jgmac1106] either way if anyone wants to speak for privacy to a mainly Indian audience please let me know
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[kevinmarks] Danny on public, private and secret is still worth reading: https://www.oblomovka.com/wp/2003/10/13/the-register/
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[kevinmarks] " this is what the end of privacy means. It means the end of the private register. Not everything that is private is meant to be secret, meant to be hidden. It’s just not intended to be public. That grey area is fading, and soon it will be gone."
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[jgmac1106] I love British writers with an affinity for the Register: Andrew accused me of selling out, of bum-licking the hippies, a disturbing visual that like many of Orlowski’s best
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[kevinmarks] Orlowski has always been nasty. I like Danny's tone though
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[jgmac1106] love Danny as a writer, always been fan
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petermolnar "There are only two registers on the Net; public and secret. In the public sphere, everything you say is for everyone. Talk in the secret register, and you have something to hide.". Wow. That piece [kevinmarks] linked is disturbingly true.
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[jgmac1106] Easier but not different. I could technically scribe what someone said, photograph documents, cryptography was born with writing for writing is just semiotic affordanaces of assigning perception to meaning
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[jgmac1106] The difference isn't between the web and the not the web the difference is between a culture with writing tools and one without.
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[jgmac1106] What we are in is an unprecedented time in advancement in scope and speed of literacy tools.
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[tantek] Zegnat, as noted earlier see history of IG and multi-photo support here (features added incrementally over time) https://indieweb.org/multi-photo#Instagram
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[eddie] I've been really enjoying the unique design styles of https://www.kickscondor.com/ and https://www.ohhelloana.blog
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[eddie] They have inspired me to think through making my blog less Material Design, business-y
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[eddie] I've started looking at some different Art styles like Pop Art and I'm thinking through what type of style I want to shift my website toward to make it feel more personal and fun
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[eddie] Has anyone else seen any non-standard website designs lately that they found interesting? Would love to add some more inspirational sites to my list as I'm marinading on it.
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swentel pfew, the first one feels very chaotic to me to read
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[eddie] lol it is, but there's something refreshing about it. I was very turned off at first but I've grown to enjoy it
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[eddie] That said, I'm probably not going THAT far :D
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[eddie] although today for the first time I had my speakers on and realized there is audio when you open an article!
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[eddie] that was a fun bit of delight
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[tantek] eddie, check sites from folks who updated in the past year for newwwyear. Here's a Twitter search for you: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=newwwyear%20-jgmac1106&src=typd 🙂
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[eddie] ahh great idea!
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[tantek] with apologies to [jgmac1106] for the filtering 😂
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[eddie] 🤣
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[eddie] I just saw that
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[jgmac1106] I really didn't know it was a thing. Saw you post and said that sounds like cool idea
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[eddie] oh you haven't posted as much as I thought. I removed the jgmac1106 filter and you didn't appear that much :)
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[eddie] tantek: Do you think it is useful to collect any of the unique websites I find on the wiki? or just in a personal blog post
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[jgmac1106] I usually only have time very early in morning and at night... Bookmarking and reflecting for my self off hashtag as well
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[jgmac1106] ... But I really never looked to see if anyone else was doing it.. Pretty cool... Have lots of stuff to check out
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[jgmac1106] Jealous of real CSS animators... So much fun
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[tantek] eddie yes I think it is useful
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gRegorLove There was a /2017 session of just browsing sites we liked aspects of
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[tantek] did you look on the wiki yourself for such examples?
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[tantek] e.g. where do you find that apkcdn site?
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/2017/perweb
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[tantek] did*
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[jgmac1106] [eddie] [grantcodes] uses a brutalist design similar to @kickscondor... Though kicks got way more 8-bit
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[eddie] tantek I looked under design but didnt see anything
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[tantek] that makes sense as a place to put interesting /design#IndieWeb_Examples
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[tantek] collect the ones that you think are nicely designed and/or inspiring
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[eddie] Sounds good 👌
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[jgmac1106] Blog which ones you find or nice or inspiring and link to your post on the wiki...
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[eddie] gRegorLove yeah that's a good session
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[jgmac1106] Or copy/paste but start at home
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[eddie] jgmac1106 I definitely think I'll blog about them, but I'll probably put them all in a single blog
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[eddie] so I didn't know if I should collect the individual ones on the wiki while still searching and such before my blog post later on
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[jgmac1106] What I mean.. And yours should be on the list. Love your design
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[eddie] lol Thanks, Too bad I'm trashing it!
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[eddie] 😆
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[jgmac1106] You want 12 donuts or a dozen?
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[eddie] makes sense
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[jgmac1106] ... Bad example most places give a Baker's dozen.. Would be different
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[tantek] exactly, collect on wiki, blog later when you feel like it
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[eddie] Yay, it's started! https://indieweb.org/design#IndieWeb_Examples
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Loqi 😄
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[eddie] Whoa!! https://www.andybarefoot.com/
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[jgmac1106] there are a few awards out there. I booked marked some examples, especially the comics, thinking of doing my photo collections that way
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[eddie] Comics?
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[jgmac1106] https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/content/bookmarkedpages/?q=%23cssgrid
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[jgmac1106] I book mark first, you never know if someone's wiki goes down
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[jgmac1106] https://codepen.io/rrenula/pen/MEoEre
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[jgmac1106] I found it as an honorable mention to some cssgrid awards
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[eddie] ohh very cool!
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[jgmac1106] https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2017/10/css-grid-challenge-2017-winners/
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[eddie] Yeah that's nifty
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[eddie] I save all of these sites in my task manager on my phone, but I also like to be able to share them with others
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[eddie] I need to add the ability to add tags/categories to booksmarks in Indigenous and for some reason the Bookmark features in Quill doesn't work with my site (something on my site)
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[eddie] so bookmarks for this aren't SUPER useful on my site because I don't know why I bookmarked them. But I'd definitely like to be able to get tags working so I can utilize bookmarks on my site in the future
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[kevinmarks] what is scuttlebutt?
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Loqi Secure Scuttlebutt is a P2P system to sync message feeds, used to build (among others) social applications that work in off-grid/sneakernet scenarios https://indieweb.org/scuttlebutt
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[cleverdevil] Popping up in my On This Day feed tomorrow, an initial post on my first blog in 2002 - https://cleverdevil.io/2002/testing-this-out
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[cleverdevil] MovableType!
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[cleverdevil] PowerBook G4!
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[cleverdevil] Custom Python scripts to upload from my MovableType install on OS X up to a Linux server!
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[eddie] So cool!
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[cleverdevil] My website is old enough to drive in the US.
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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[eddie] [cleverdevil]++
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Loqi [cleverdevil] has 33 karma in this channel over the last year (77 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] [eddie] went back and looked at my #newwwyear post looks like I "start a sesion" and then try to chain the updates and reflections with webmentions and then close the session with the tag.
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[jgmac1106] I break it every now and again but usually remember to go back and fix..twitter get brokens don't care enough there
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[eddie] Ohh gotcha. That's a cool idea
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[eddie] Yeah twitter can be tricky
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[kevinmarks] silo quits << https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1075484690340040706?s=19
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@nytimes How to delete Facebook: 1. Assess what you might lose 2. Download your data 3. Hit the delete button 4. Resist getting back together 5. Delete Instagram 6. Ensure there is no tracking https://nyti.ms/2EzlsrM (twitter.com/_/status/1075484690340040706)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1075484690340040706?s=19" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54862&oldid=54836
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[kevinmarks] silo quits << https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1075513588859645952?s=19
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@dhh We've decided to become a Facebook-Free Business at @basecamp starting today. No Facebook, Instagram, no WhatsApp. No ads. No profiles. No pages. No usage. No more. Run your own business? Consider joining up. https://m.signalvnoise.com/become-a-facebook-free-business-5bfefc20c09d (twitter.com/_/status/1075513588859645952)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1075513588859645952?s=19" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54863&oldid=54862
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1075426007547400192?s=19
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@dhh I wish there was a label called #FacebookFree for companies that don’t use or buy any ads from Facebook or it’s suite of apps. Kinda like #HormoneFree for beef. I would certainly shop accordingly. (twitter.com/_/status/1075426007547400192)
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[jgmac1106] Tempted to make DHH Basecamp a webmention Facebook free badge... Anyone want a super fast FacebookFree for their website?
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mlncn Can anyone confirm that Twitter's awful URL hijacking/spying—can't call it URL shortening, since in many cases it's now lengthening the URL—is breaking IndieWeb profile connecting a la https://indiewebify.me/ ?
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mlncn hmm it claims https://indiewebify.me/validate-rel-me/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com works perfectly with the link being to/from https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=t but that page on Twitter is also running things through their URL manipulator. Huh.
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mlncn i guess the issue is Twitter is putting rel=nofollow on the usual profile pages, and the URL redirector thing isn't an issue
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jacky what is Kirby
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Loqi Kirby is a filed-based CMS written in PHP https://indieweb.org/Kirby
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jacky not that one
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jacky what is kirby-login-app
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/kirby-login-app
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jacky lol I guess
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