#indieweb 2018-12-18

2018-12-18 UTC
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[tantek]
We knew the use of social media for state-sponsored manipulation was bad, but wow: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/us/politics/russia-2016-influence-campaign.html
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[tantek]
social media << 2018-12-17 NYTimes: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/us/politics/russia-2016-influence-campaign.html Russian 2016 Influence Operation Targeted African-Americans on Social Media]<blockquote>The Russian influence campaign on social media in the 2016 election made an extraordinary effort to target African-Americans, used an array of tactics to try to suppress turnout among Democratic voters and unleashed a blizzard of activity on In
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[tantek]
or exceeded its posts on Facebook</blockquote>
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Loqi
ok, I added "2018-12-17 NYTimes: [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/us/politics/russia-2016-influence-campaign.html Russian 2016 Influence Operation Targeted African-Americans on Social Media]<blockquote>The Russian influence campaign on social media in the 2016 election made an extraordinary effort to target African-Americans, used an array of tactics to try to suppress turnout among Democratic voters and unleashed a blizzard of activity on In" to the "See Also" section of /social_media https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54826&oldid=54689
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[Marco]
Yeah, it is pretty annoying to see people without proper tech-knowledge accepting whatever is thrown at them as long as "Google" is printed across... 😞
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[jgmac1106]
Good morning
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Loqi
guten morgen
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[Marco]
guten morgen
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jgmac1106
I rarely do an embargo..and technicallly I write in the open so draft was out there but held this site death of my feed until Mozilla announced: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/goodbyethimble.html
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Loqi
[Greg McVerry] @mozilla if priorities are Internet Health let's start modeling what it means to own your data. Publish posts on your own domain first, not silos like @medium which become less open. Want to syndicate, fine, but @mozilla should own it's data first
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jgmac1106[m]
okay trying out riot.fm and the matrix clients rather than IRC/Slack...maybe I can have just one thing,,=..wondering if Verzon will block this
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jgmac1106
ohh yeah should have waited before posting
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aaronpk
lol oops. i should tone down the Loqi spam now that it seems to have stopped for a while.
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[jgmac1106]
[adamprocter] yeah riot won't work for my students...maybe yours being more technical...but I have a feed of encryption warnings....want t people to be unsecure...make encryption annoying AF
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[adamprocter]
We have paid slack works great. I cannot see them moving to Riot. They love discord though
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gkbrk
I'm planning to implement webmentions on my website
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[jgmac1106]
that makes sense....I need to focus on the chat community next semester....also recognize my students have 2-3 jobs and a kid or two....sitting around chatting is privilege and we been steeped in web culture for ever
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[adamprocter]
Encrypted room is a royal pain
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Loqi
gkbrk has 1 karma over the last year
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gkbrk
I'm curious how much spam there is if you just check for their backlink with a HTTP request
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[jgmac1106]
so far I think [aaronpk] just documented one case but it had nothing to do with backlinking there are rules to handle http and https....but we have a dev channel if you dont mind going there
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[jgmac1106]
#indieweb-dev
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Zegnat
Recently talked with some tech people who wanted to switch from Slack to Discord. Partly because of the whole “Slack lets your boss read your private messages” thing
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gkbrk
Zegnat: I wonder why they assume discord doesn't
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Zegnat
I am thinking they assume Discord to have the same sort of logging policies, where nothing ever disappears, but at least Discord wouldn’t be selling their private conversations (for now)
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Zegnat
While Slack specifically does (or did, if they reversed it)
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[jgmac1106]
[adamprocter] what about an ephermal chat room on a course website. As a teacher I don't want the logs..don't care if they dissapear..think that might actually help
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[jgmac1106]
an indielogin chatroom on a website
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[adamprocter]
Free slack probably still the best option I’d say.
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sknebel
[jgmac1106]: to be fair, "unencrypted" matrix is as secure as slack or discord
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[jgmac1106]
what I do now, just trying to contain it all IndieWeb style..but introducing all the moving parts enough cognitive load without adding hey here is IRC, and a wiki and you can add article to the wiki...
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[adamprocter]
Ideally I think a group of “private” micro blogs collated into an RSS feed would be the way.
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Zegnat
Planet website for the class :D Every student can bring their own choice of blogging platform, as long as there is an RSS feed for the planet to subscribe to. And everyone can read the planet site to read what others are publishing
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[jgmac1106]
....somebody might be working on a grant....I am also considering just laying out the most basic bloggin system in Glitch with h-feeds, article, note, reply, photo to start....was playing with unicyclic last night and everybody could sign into a shared private reader
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[jgmac1106]
...chat is the last step...how fast do microsub readers poll...could a miropub/microsub chat window be added to websites, that was fast enough?...say equal to bad customer service chats
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jgmac1106
[zegnat] that is a personal capacity time. As [tonz] noted we are taking 20 yearold who have never been online before….I started supporting all the platforms
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jgmac1106
I can’t….have to pick one or drown
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jgmac1106
…except with ReClaim…they have so many options in c-Panel kids stumble on to new things to try
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Zegnat
If the Microsub server supports Websub, and the blog supports Websub, there is no polling. So updates could be near instantanious.
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[adamprocter]
Yes. I had a thought once on the concept of team blogs with [manton] and indie web reader app [aaronpk] has been making
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jgmac1106
…we need the IndieWeb c-panel
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Zegnat
(Note: I do not know if any Microsub server supports Websub.)
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jgmac1106
that is the last piece (well skipping video.,…thinking ZOOM…so much smaller than Hanouts and YouTube)….a chat widget using your new private authentication tool what people can embed on a website
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jgmac1106
basically add a chatroom to webrings
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[adamprocter]
It would also enabling small communities of practice to have a “social site”
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[adamprocter]
Appear.in is pretty good dunno what the limits are. But yes again I use Slack video (paid)
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