#indieweb 2018-12-31

2018-12-31 UTC
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mlncn Is there any provision for putting (most?) h-card information on a contact page instead of the homepage? I'd expect that would be preferred to invisible metadata but i don't see a way to tell bots 'hey, look over there' (and based on the first issue listed on https://indieweb.org/h-card there hasn't been an answer to that)
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jacky what is representative h-card
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Loqi The representative h-card for a page is an h-card on that page that represents that page, if any, as not all pages are about a person or organization, a page might not have a representative h-card https://indieweb.org/representative_h-card
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mlncn And http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard-parsing would seem (i'm having trouble following it) to mean that the h-card on the home page would be taken as the representative hCard, with no way to say there's a better h-card for me over on my contact page
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jacky I think Zegnat has some experience with this; they have a pretty hefty h-card
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mlncn They put all their info at https://vanderven.se/martijn/ and https://vanderven.se/ is their family site, with no indieweb markup. So pretty sure all the info is on one page, and that's his address: a rel="home canonical" href="/martijn/" class="u-url u-uid p-name.."
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven
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[tantek] mlncn, I think the use-case is pretty clear, if you want to dive into markup / discovery, perhaps # dev might be better for that
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mlncn as in, the use case of putting information on another page is clear, but the way to do that is known to not be clear?
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mlncn (i've almost convinced myself that "contact information is important enough to go on one's homepage" is a valid constraint...)
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[tantek] mlncn yes I think it is. a modern separate "contact" page should be much more useful that just providing contact info.
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[tantek] what is contact?
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Loqi communication in the context of the indieweb refers to using your personal website as a starting point and potentially way for people to contact you https://indieweb.org/contact
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Zegnat What is about?
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Zegnat ...
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Zegnat On /about there are some examples of people having extended hcards/profiles outside of their home page
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[tantek] I wonder if it is worth writing up the thinking / tradeoffs of writing up past / draft posts by date order or by topic, and also addressing the question of interleaving or clustering post types
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mlncn Zegnat, thanks
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Zegnat mlncn the topic has been coming up more often lately. At least feels that way to me. So wouldn't surprise me if people start to think more about how to discover such subpages automatically.
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Zegnat should be sleeping but saw an h-card question...
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mlncn As for https://indieweb.org/contact i've read this part a few times: "Add a contact card: Put an h-card on your home page with links to ways you want to be contacted, in your preference order." and "Add a contact UI: Put that h-card on a separate /contact page on your website" with buttons to interact with different ways of contacting; and it stil
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mlncn l seems to be saying to get all contact info into the homepage h-card, and then duplicate that info somewhere that provides functionality
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mlncn Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 42 karma in this channel over the last year (165 in all channels)
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Zegnat What time is it for Zegnat?
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Loqi In Zegnat's timezone, Europe/Stockholm, it is currently 2:09am on December 31
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mlncn hehe
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/about#separate_page could do with some more examples
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gRegorLove go to sleep, Zegnat! :)
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Zegnat goes
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[tantek] per the in-chat brainstorming/discussion of what order to post older drafts: http://tantek.com/2018/364/t5/post-that-day-then-date-time-previous-week-month
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] When posting positive things promptly*, I think it first makes sense to post positive things from that day (for reason 6**), and then from previous days (that week, or month), in pure date-time order (oldest to newest), regardless of subject (topic) ...
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[metbril] What time is it for metbril
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Loqi In metbril's timezone, Europe/Amsterdam, it is currently 9:34am on December 31
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[metbril] My contribution to the challenge (in Dutch): https://robertvanbregt.nl/2018/12/31/indieauth-plugin-voor-grav/
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Zegnat Ooh, Grav stuff!
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[voss] Not sure this is the right channel to discuss this in, but I'll give it a shot 🙂
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[voss] Has it been considered to move off of Slack, and use another platform?
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[voss] I searched the archives, and saw that riot and matrix was mentioned a few times, but I couldn't find Mattermost mentioned.
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[voss] Over the holidays I followed the instructions in this walkthrough, to install Mattermost on a VPS, and it seems to work really well. https://blog.scalac.io/2016/10/27/setting-up-mattermost.html
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[voss] I imported the Slack history from a different team I
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[voss] I'm a member of, it should've said.
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[voss] So far so good. Pretty much looks like Slack, but is hosted by myself.
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[jgmac1106] [voss] really it is an IRC platform where the Slack users are allowed to play.
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[voss] Ah, I see.
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[jgmac1106] We used Mattermost for a hot minute with MoFo, it is pretty feature parity
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[voss] Makes sense, I thought it was the other way around, silly me.
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[jgmac1106] I use Slack on mobile (Verizon blocks IRC) and in morning as I scroll through messages
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sknebel re Matrix, you can use Matrix clients since the Matrix project runs a bridge for all of Freenode IRC
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[voss] [sknebel] clever!
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[voss] I didn't know that.
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jgmac1106 yeah I have been playing with riot to see if I like that
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jgmac1106 https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bot/matterbridge.html
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[voss] Sweet, thanks [jgmac1106] - that looks relevant to me.
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Zegnat What is discuss?
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Loqi Join the #indieweb discussions via the web, IRC, Matrix, or Slack, now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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Zegnat That page seems relevant :D
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jgmac1106 hee hee
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petermolnar I'm tempted to revive banners for my website, including the 88x31 for blogroll-style links
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petermolnar just as a 20 years ago theme
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Zegnat I would *so* design a 88x31 again, just to have it on your website
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Zegnat We do have 88x31s for some web tech, see aaronpk’s site
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petermolnar but not for personal sites any more
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[jgmac1106] Reminds me I need to steal [aaronpk] button's for my footer
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Zegnat Although I guess those are the mini - mini banner variants
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Zegnat What are banners?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "banners" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "banners is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[smerrill] [aaronpk] one of the channels I have in Monocle isn’t showing any updated content; but I’ve confirmed that the source feed in Aperture is correct and does show updated content. How might one diagnose this kind of thing?
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Zegnat Ah, hmm. [jgmac1106] no stealing required: https://indieweb.org/button#Buttons
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[kevinmarks] See also http://known.kevinmarks.com/2018/svg-version-of-aaronpks-bitmap-indieweb-badge-201712307indieweb-badge-s5hh
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] SVG version of @aaronpk's bitmap indieweb badge https://aaronparecki.com/2017/12/30/7/indieweb-badge https://svgshare.com/s/5Hh http://known.kevinmarks.com/file/0e6f80c1a51423b5d3290cf691808b20/indieweb-badge.svg
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petermolnar digging into 2002 archives and archive.org 2002 things, I have to admin, 15 years ago most personal website looked heavily distinct from one another, which is not really the case with our modern blogging engines
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petermolnar s/admin/admit
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petermolnar one letter, such a difference
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aaronpk [smerrill]: weird, monocle doesn't do its own caching, and should be showing you exactly what's in the aperture feed on every pageload
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[smerrill] [aaronpk] last item that Monocle displays to me is dated 2018-12-24. But manually loading the granary.io feed that is in the Aperture channel does show newer content.
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[smerrill] it’s a Twitter RSS feed via granary
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aaronpk Oh so that means Aperture doesn't have the new content
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[smerrill] is that something i, as a user, can kick to refresh?
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aaronpk which could be for a number of reasons, most likely that it just hasn't polled it since then. I need to make that kind of thing more visible
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aaronpk hmm no but good idea
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[smerrill] i ❤ Monocle and Aperture. Thank you for making them.
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aaronpk Could you file an issue so I don't forget? Thanks!
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[smerrill] sure!
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[jgmac1106] swentel++ for 31st gift
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Loqi swentel has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (37 in all channels)
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Loqi [indienews/nl] New post: "IndieAuth plugin voor Grav" https://robertvanbregt.nl/2018/12/31/indieauth-plugin-voor-grav/
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jacky happy NYE indieweb!
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mlncn our site is going to relaunch with swentel's indieweb module for Drupal 8 at New Year's Eve, eastern time!
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petermolnar eastern time -> japan? china? ;)
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mlncn Eastern Time (ET) == North American eastern time. China doesn't have an eastern time; only Chinese Standard Time (CST), despite being almost as wide longitudinally as the US! (Japan, more reasonably, also only has standard time (JST).
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mlncn Time zones are weird but if i can be grateful for anything it's living in a place with one of the easier names/abbreviations. But i am curious if Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru, on South America's West Coast, put up with calling it Eastern Time.
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yaMatt Eastern Time is easier if you know what you're East of ;)
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petermolnar I didn't know ET was in use, I always only saw EST, but I did assume the same timezone; the ";)" was there for a reason
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yaMatt GMT shares a timezone with Portugal, that always confuses me
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mlncn yeah ET is the nonjudgemental version of EDT/EST. But now i'm wondering if those initials are all out of favor or are just legacy and everything official has to be +/- UTC
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[kevinmarks] it is safer to use time+UTC offset
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[kevinmarks] as otherwise you are relying on ephemeral definitions by random governments
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[kevinmarks] (see Australia for particularly arbitrary summer time change dates)
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mlncn two great maps from wikipedia: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Standard_World_Time_Zones.png - shows how almost all of Europe and all of China climb into one timezone apiece.... and the effects of that on distance from 'solar time' - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Solar_time_vs_standard_time.png
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mlncn oh yeah and in the US somewhere near New Mexico it gets crazy too. If web developers ruled the world there would be just one single time zone and everyone'd have to deal
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[kevinmarks] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Australia#Special_events
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