#indieweb 2018-12-30
2018-12-30 UTC
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[nick] [Jacky_See] I'm not worried about "auth" to my site. cause i've already got it covered. BUT auth from bridgy to my site...
# [nick] ie some TTL JWT or something...
# [nick] looks like someone already wrote a django app for webmentions
# [nick] +1
# [nick] so everyone who's got an `app` tag in the Slack app are connecting over an IRC bridge?
# [nick] is that correct?
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KartikPrabhu [nick]: there is also https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu
# KartikPrabhu though that is just python functions and not a django app
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# [nick] sweet thanks
# [nick] other question... so I'm trying to verify some of the microformats
# [nick] and I'm on the h-entry page
# [nick] i'm not sure why that's not picking up my microformats?
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# [nick] Ahh
# [nick] Good catch.
# [nick] Thanks. Will fix.
# [nick] 💥
# [nick] fixed thanks
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# [nick] Gotta get my “stream” posts updated and images.
# [nick] And make it a bit faster.
# [nick] design isn't my thing
# [nick] I started this project a year ago cause I wanted to stay "connected" but not use traditional social media
# [nick] i use a telegram bot I wrote to post my stream posts... like twitter
# [nick] and post pictures like instagram
# [nick] makes the usability really great
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "composite streams" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "composite streams is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi A composite stream is a stream that interleaves multiple types of posts, such as notes and articles https://indieweb.org/composite_stream
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "? Watched: “Future of the open web and open source” by @webdevlaw and others" https://www.customerservant.com/%f0%9f%93%ba-watched-future-of-the-open-web-and-open-source-by-webdevlaw-and-others/
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# [nick] ahh i like the composite stream idea...
# [nick] I was thinking about doing that... but opted to separate things into their own "object"
# [nick] I could... just make an ugly query to bring them all together... pagination would be shite...
# [nick] maybe I could create a wrapper object... that just FK's to everything...
# [nick] ....
# Loqi Post Type Discovery specifies an algorithm for determining the type of a post by what properties it has and potentially what value(s) they have, which helps avoid the need for explicit post types that are being abandoned by modern post creation UIs https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery
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# [nick] ahh that's helpful
# [nick] soo all the likes comments and reteweet stuff is actually a "post" object from the hosts site...
# [nick] and not some data aggregated on render from somewhere else
# [nick] +1
# [nick] I was curious how that worked
# [nick] well I'm glad I didn't architect myself into a corner then :)(
# [nick] should be pretty simple to implementing something
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# [nick] so fwiw I'm doing my site in Django, and django handles a lotta the "admin-y"/CMS-y bits for me.
# [nick] SO when I have a post I wanna leave as a draft I just leave the check box "DRAFT" checked.
# [nick] i can also (haven't built it yet) but filter by posts that are draft only still. To do that it's not really any code but more just a configuration I make to an `Admin` class
# [nick] lol
# [nick] ahh
# [nick] k
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[kevinmarks] I don't know if this belongs with principles, but I feel like it does https://festive.ninja/one-atom-of-justice-one-molecule-of-mercy-and-the-empire-of-unsheathed-knives-alexandra-rowland/
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# [relapse] Morning!
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# [habari] Hey guys just installed the IndieWeb Plugins on my WP site. Thinking of using primarily for microblogs. How best to go around that?
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[jgmac1106] welcome [habari], what is your url?
# [habari] https://nj3ma.com
# [jgmac1106] I am checking this now, you are not using an IndieWeb theme so you would need to install the microformats 2 plugin...which may or may not work
# [jgmac1106] you may want to consider switching to an IndieWeb theme...then you would not need the microformats 2 plugin
# [jgmac1106] good point
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# [habari] [jgmac1106] Thanks.
# [jgmac1106] I invited you to the WP channel, I would switch to SemPress or 2016-IndieWeb (2016 looks more like your aesthetic but you need to be comfortable with GitHub
# [jgmac1106] if you want to try your current theme do install the microformats 2 theme (can't say it will work...can probably say it won't)
# [jgmac1106] You should also add an h-card to your home page.
# [jgmac1106] What is h-card?
# Loqi h-card is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up people, organizations, and venues on web sites https://indieweb.org/h-card
# [jgmac1106] there is a widget included in the indieweb plugin
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# [kevinmarks] Can try - dev might be better
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[schmarty] jacky: the quill article editor sends HTML. afaik the quill note creator sends plain text and it's up to the backend to decide how to process that text.
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# [schmarty] oh that is a neat quill feature i did not know about
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# [kim_landwehr] [tantek] on whether to post by date or subject. I would go by subject, unless you are telling a story thru your post where the sequence of the posts are important.
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# [kevinmarks] There's a crazy regex in Tantek's autolink for urls
# [kevinmarks] Though parsing the html version is probably easier
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petermolnar jacky: match url is one of the most complex regexes out there
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# KartikPrabhu jacky: is someone using multiple webmention endpoints?
# KartikPrabhu that sounds strange
# KartikPrabhu what is webmention?
# Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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jacky at this point; it seems? https://webmention.net/draft/#sender-discovers-receiver-webmention-endpoint
# KartikPrabhu yup
# KartikPrabhu Zegnat++ for IRC lawn-mowing ;)
# KartikPrabhu on the interwebs there is always someone who'll correct you :P
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[davidmead] Any suggestions for a replacement to Wordpress? New editor just doesn’t work for, whatever reason, and after turning off/on plugins to fix it, Indieweb things aren’t working as they did.
# [davidmead] I was looking at Jekyll, but feeling it’s a little too technical for me
# KartikPrabhu what is known?
# Loqi Known is an open publishing / community platform project https://indieweb.org/known
# KartikPrabhu [davidmead]: have you tried Known ^
# KartikPrabhu also GWG ^^
# [davidmead] Thx KartikPrabhu. I used Known a while ago. I’ll give it another look
# [davidmead] GWG I’ll post in the #wordpress channel
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# [nick] If anyone knows python/Django I’d appreciate some additional dev on my site. :)
# [nick] I’m working on open-sourcing it, gotta remove some secrets from git. But other than that I think it’s good to go.
# [nick] Though I’m in the processor removing the templates and views and making it API only.
# [nick] All ya gotta do is create your own templates.
# [nick] So the front end can be a JS SPA.
# [nick] Ps I don’t know react so any advice on making SPA’s is appreciated. :)
# KartikPrabhu SPA does not need react
# KartikPrabhu a lot of it can be done with vanilla JS
# KartikPrabhu also I speak python if you need some (un-expert) help :P
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[tantek] yes please keep the dev questions (anything about SPA, JS, python, templates, Django, frameworks) in the dev channel please, otherwise it clutters up actual indieweb *user* discussions / questions which tend to get drowned out (and usually those folks don't feel confident interrupting developers whereas the opposite is not true)
# [tantek] [kim_landwehr] re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-12-30/1546200653164000 date vs subject is a tough trade-off. OTOH subject may make it easier to think/write about all those posts at once (less context switching), OTOH sometimes you don't know the subject(s) of a post until you've actually written it, which means you have to write all the posts before you can actually successfully categorize and cluster them, so that seems like a lot more work over
# Loqi [[kim_landwehr]] [tantek] on whether to post by date or subject. I would go by subject, unless you are telling a story thru your post where the sequence of the posts are important.
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# [tantek] easier to post incrementally, pause / resume posting: since your "index" is linear (time), you can choose a date / point in time to pause, and later pick-up at whatever date you left-off, no need to think about what subjects did I already post and what subjects do I have remaining to post
# [tantek] next question about posting past posts / drafts - does anyone distinguish based on "type" of post (text notes, photos, etc.) when considering what to post next (all of one type first, e.g. get all your photos posted, then go back and post your text notes or vice versa, or interleaved by datetime order?)
# [tantek] leaning towards interleaving, but I could see how someone might prefer to batch a certain type, especially if they have a particular workflow per type (e.g. many folks have a particular photo posting workflow that involves curation, cropping, photo editing, perhaps assembling a multi-photo into a narrative)
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# tomasparks happy new year
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# [kevinmarks] Are you in NZ, tomas m
# tomasparks AU
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# [kim_landwehr] Yeah [tantek] posting by date would be a lot easier now that you explain it. Also I would do the interweaving when comes to types of post.
# KartikPrabhu time travel?
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# [kevinmarks] Even in Kiribati its still the 31st
# KartikPrabhu [tantek]: I already have "futured" posts so maybe ;)
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# tomasparks [tankek] it is only 31st, I am say it ahead of time
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