#indieweb 2019-01-14

2019-01-14 UTC
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[tantek] Rose, definitely worth discussing in the meta channel (where to POSSE HWC events)
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[Rose] I'll do that when I have a little more time, thanks!
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[tantek] e.g. questions of whether to also post on meetup, eventbrite, or others
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel good morning!
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Loqi morning!
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[smerrill] ahoy hoy
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GWG I feel like I should do some year in review posts
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[tantek] What is Year in review?
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Loqi Year in Review is a feature on some silos (like Facebook) as well as being a special kind of article on some IndieWeb sites that summarizes important aspects of the past year https://indieweb.org/year_in_review
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[tantek] Anyone post their own yet? Add them to ^^^
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[jgmac1106] <-- woefully overdue, and needs to write up his newwwyear post-mortem...but not allowing any other writing until book, grant, classes ready....21 day book challenge lot to bite off....couple chapters left
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[jgmac1106] as an interesting note since not syndicating since 12/31 I have only gotten two webmentions...down from 20-30 a day usually from Twitter...follow each other in your feed, reply to each other folks, lets show we can sustain our networks
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jgmac1106 though I thinkl this chat servs much of the social network niche that other networks have but rely on facebook or Twitter to provide
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[smerrill] https://govavailability.info/ LOL!
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snarfed so i've been trying to delete all of my past silo likes, and it's been a mixed bag
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snarfed facebook was surprisingly the easiest. their activity log is useful, and this chrome extension worked great. (just drives the browser and deletes them one by one.) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/social-book-post-manager/ljfidlkcmdmmibngdfikhffffdmphjae/related?hl=en-US
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snarfed instagram was the opposite. no view of all of your likes on web at all, and very aggressive rate limits on liking/unliking, something like 50 per hour or so. there are a bunch of sketchy apps that ask for username/password and pretend to be the app. i tried one, and it works, but seemed dangerous.
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snarfed so i just did IG manually, one by one, in the app
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snarfed twitter, ugh. this chrome extension worked great for the first 3k. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/toolkit-for-twitter-by-pl/clolifnalkibjiblcffbmelpbmehcmcc
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snarfed after the first 3k, twitter itself is kind of broken. the rest show up in https://twitter.com/i/likes , but half broken. the UI doesn't that you've liked the tweet, so you have to re-like it and then un-like it, which sends notifs to anyone who has them on. more: https://medium.com/@melissamcewen/how-to-completely-delete-your-twitter-likes-5a41c35aefb8
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snarfed more: https://twittercommunity.com/t/pre-like-favorites-not-showing-up-as-liked/103551
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snarfed (all of these issues with each silo are extensively documented many places on the web)
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snarfed anyway. interesting.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[manton] Morning everyone! If you're planning to attend IndieWebCamp Austin, we opened registration last week. https://2019.indieweb.org/austin
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Loqi [manton]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 week, 3 days ago: trying to stay a bit disconnected between now and 1/22 email me at jgregmcverry@gmail.com for any Austin planning stuff and I am still checking wiki
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[jgmac1106] [manton] just filed a PR to sponsor, will coordinate with aaronpk on getting the donation into opencollective
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[jgmac1106] ...looks like it's al;ready up there...thx
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[manton] [jgmac1106] Excellent, thanks!
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[smerrill] https://www.thenation.com/article/content-management-system-essay-wordpress-drupal-internet-feature/
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[smerrill] ```
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[smerrill] ```
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[smerrill] What we need is a digital-media version of organic food or a local farmers' market: ethically sourced, sustainably funded, and integrity-certified, all the way from CMS up.
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GWG I have so many year in review emails from companies that I could just post some of that data too
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[tantek] This seems relevant to indieweb posting habits: https://24ways.org/2018/dynamic-social-sharing-images/
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[tantek] cc: [kevinmarks] re: images with text etc.
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[keithjgrant] https://indieweb.org/How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain
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[keithjgrant] This makes no mention of a relationship="authorization_endpoint"
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[keithjgrant] Is that link required? What happens if it's missing?
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[keithjgrant] (trying to clarify for a blog post)
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sknebel you need authorization_endpoint for IndieAuth
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sknebel but not for RelMeAuth, which you e.g. can use to log into the wiki
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[keithjgrant] What about webmention.io?
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[keithjgrant] I never fully understood the difference between indieauth and relmeauth
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sknebel webmention.io uses indielogin too
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sknebel so also works with RelMeAuth
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aaronpk indieauth is basically when you want to control the whole login experience yourself
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aaronpk and not rely on a third party like twitter/github/etc
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aaronpk relmeauth requires you and the site you're logging in to to share something in common, like you have to have a twitter account and the site has to have twitter API keys. or you have to publish your email and the site has to be able to send an email.
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aaronpk also relmeauth only identifies you, so you need something beyond that in order to use micropub apps
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[keithjgrant] Gotcha. I'll probably get them backwards in the future, but at least I see the difference now 😁
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[keithjgrant] "web sign-in" refers to relmeauth?
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aaronpk "web sign-in" describes the concept, relmeauth is one way to do that
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aaronpk you can also accomplish web sign-in via indieauth
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[keithjgrant] Cool. Thanks
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[keithjgrant] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 42 karma in this channel over the last year (261 in all channels)
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[cleverdevil] Awesome. My Overcast sync is running for the first time today with its limiter taken off, and its successfully backfeeding all of my listen history (or at least, quite a bit of it) into my website.
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[cleverdevil] Over 185 "listen" records created so far.
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[cleverdevil] (Its still running).
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aaronpk oh nice did marco get back to you?
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[cleverdevil] Nope.
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[cleverdevil] The rate limiting was relaxed silently a little.
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[cleverdevil] I am still only going to run it once a day, but it will create the entries at the right time of day, or close.
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[cleverdevil] We'll see if things get locked down again.
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[cleverdevil] Done! 275 episodes synced 🙂
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[tantek] what is web sign-in
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Loqi Web sign-in is signing in to websites using your personal web address (without having to use your e-mail address) https://indieweb.org/Web_sign-in
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[tantek] finds https://indieweb.org/web-sign-in-protocol
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aaronpk whoa
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[tantek] hey you wrote that 😂
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aaronpk like 4 years ago
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[tantek] and GWG rewrote some of it https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=web-sign-in-protocol&type=revision&diff=48066&oldid=25776
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[tantek] I like the relationship of Web Sign-in as the UX, and IndieAuth and RelMeAuth as supporting protocols
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[tantek] (repeating what I think you said aaronpk above at 12:59 PST)
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aaronpk yeah that's what i was getting at, but i like the way you said it
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GWG I rewrote it when I was working on the Indieauth plugin, which did both
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Jeena I installed mastodon on a subdomain to test it out https://toot.jeena.net/@jeena I'd rather have integrated in my website, and as far as I understand micro.blog does that somehow already, but that needs to be a future step.
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