#indieweb 2019-02-28
2019-02-28 UTC
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[tantek] jacky, feel free to add an entry in /event#Brainstorming documenting your use-case and thinking/design/approach
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Loqi An invitation is an optional feature of an event post (an event with invitations), or a reply to an event post that also notifies a list of invitees that they've been invited to the event, or a special case of that, an RSVP to an event that also invites additional people to it https://indieweb.org/invitation
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petermolnar not since gopher
# petermolnar apart from that, I've started taking over a site, set up WordPress, and I though I'll play nice and do it with Gutenberg; this thing is a disaster
# petermolnar the more I use it the more terrible it becomes
# petermolnar example: 2 column layout, called "media and text" - if you allow "stack on mobile" depending if the media is on the left or right, it will either be above or below the text when stacked, and I can't find a single way to make the image always on top on mobile
# petermolnar built-in feature
# petermolnar and then the bugs
# petermolnar my god, the bugs
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jeremycherfas Morning IndieWeb and zegnat petermolnar
# jeremycherfas Going to continue my Listening script, trying to decide whether I want to capture the cover art and, much harder, whether I want to pout this in my stream on withknown or into my main site on Grav. Both have pros and cons.
# jeremycherfas Ah well, as you know, that's complicated.
# jeremycherfas The thing is, I have been keeping away from Micropub in Grav because I could foresee all sorts of difficulties syncing production and local. Whereas there is no such problem with Known. And I can just feed an RSS stream from Known to Grav.
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[grantcodes] FYI: .dev domains are available today: https://domains.google/tld/dev/
# jeremycherfas But for something like listen posts, I would be perfectly content to create the listen posts locally here, once every few days and then sync from here to production.
# jeremycherfas And that would give me an opportunity to get Micropub working better locally too, because it wouldn't matter if it messed up occasionally.
# jeremycherfas So, Rubber Ducky, I think I have decided what to do.
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# jeremycherfas [Rose] are you abandoning Grav then?
# jeremycherfas Phew.
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[jgmac1106] I am going to finish porting my podcast now that snarfed added mf2->rss
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# [jgmac1106] WordPress will be a great stop for Rose until she takes her PHP skills and joins us on Known
# [jgmac1106] I know I tease...awesome to get more folks on team WordPress
# [jgmac1106] but all jokes aside Rose Known..out of the box is way less work than WordPress,
# [jgmac1106] ahh yes
# [jgmac1106] that is where WP rules the world
# [jgmac1106] there is a plugin for any possible thing you can think of
# [jgmac1106] my strategy was to use a page builder and wrap an IndieWeb theme in it so I could get the pretty designs and photos I liked
# [jgmac1106] rose++
# [jgmac1106] we will have another WordPress theme
# [jgmac1106] ...I don't want to touch my website....I am writing my own theme....I 'd hate to know what your definition of "hands on" is...building a computer and a CMS from scratch...can't wait to see what you do
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[Kristof_Bernaer Toolset plugin is a pretty decent (payable 1-time) plugin to create whatever Custom Post Type to give ur content good structures
# [jgmac1106] if you know feel free to answer in WordPress channel but you can strip away old micoformats and add in correct ones with that plugin?
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# petermolnar had anyone tried to PESOS reviews of their product|thing|article|etc from silos? I don't mean the usual ones, but like Yelp, booking.com, etc.
# [jgmac1106] not but I started reviewing more for Google Maps..I should
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# Loqi ok, I added "http://bradfrost.com/blog/post/write-on-your-own-website/" to the "See Also" section of /why https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57505&oldid=56474
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[schmarty] owning my 3D printing: https://martymcgui.re/2019/02/28/made-a-pyportal-stand-by-adafruit/
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aaronpk oh hey he linked to https://indieweb.org/why at the end
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Write on your own website" http://bradfrost.com/blog/post/write-on-your-own-website/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2019/02/28/9/)
# [schmarty] oh yeah we should have full-on indieweb badges by then.
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# [jgmac1106] jacky forget invites build me an indieweb version of the doodle poll...wow that sit is getting more and more heavy with tricky nav adds
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# bronzehedwick hi all! i've been really getting into the indieweb principles and have started building out my site's implementation. i'm interested in attending a meetup, and heard there was one in NYC, but i can't find it on the site. am i missing something obvious?
# [schmarty] hi bronzehedwick! thanks for letting us know! it is indeed hard to find.
# [schmarty] we last met on Feb 20 (last Weds) https://indieweb.org/events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club-nyc
# [schmarty] we plan to meet next on March 6th but I need to add info about the event. https://indieweb.org/events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club-nyc
# [schmarty] whoops dupe link
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# bronzehedwick thanks! sorry, was pulled away for a bit
# bronzehedwick i'll mark my cal and keep checking the site
# [schmarty] bronzehedwick: no worries! we previously met at Aroma Espresso Bar (100 Church St) but their current hours close at 7pm. we last met at The Bean at Cooper Union (3rd Ave @ 9th St) and it was fine but no easy power outlet access. We may be in a new location TBD!
# [schmarty] you can find us planning events like that in #indieweb-meta !
# bronzehedwick oh snap! thanks, i'll head over there :)
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# Adam1 Came here from Riot.im. I've had my own indie website since the early 90's. I even migrated my old Geocities Guestbook to my current site. ;) Seems like this channel might be my kind of people. Also sounds like I missed a meetup in NYC recently. :( www.adamlein.com
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[manton] [tantek] Inspired by the discussion at IndieWebCamp, I added a "Save to Internet Archive" setting to Micro.blog. Still debating whether it should be on by default. I think for now "no", just in case someone has a semi-private blog they don't expect to be shared anywhere. https://www.manton.org/2019/02/28/automatically-save-to.html
# [schmarty] hi adam1! we have another HWC NYC brewing for next Wednesday 3/6. still need to lock down the location before we put up the event. it'll likely be somewhere in Manhattan south of 3rd St. :}
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gRegorLove nice site, Adam1! I like the history page too
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# Adam1 Thanks! I'll keep an eye out for the NYC 3/6 event details. I haven't read my history page in a while... almost forgot about the things FrontPage extensions used to do. Ha!
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chrisaldrich good morning indieweb
# chrisaldrich I've been thinking about /discovery and /groups lately. Do we have a concept like neighbor that extends beyond /location to things like /tags?
# chrisaldrich I just ran across the concept within /CiteULike at http://www.citeulike.org/neighbour/list/ChrisAldrich and it seems common enough to be useful to us
# chrisaldrich though I'm not sure if anyone has built anything like it outside of the silo spaces
# chrisaldrich What is related pages?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "related pages" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "related pages is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# chrisaldrich What is related reading?
# Loqi Related Reading or related posts or related content is a discovery feature of some blogging silos (like Medium, Wordpress.com) where at the end of a blog post, the system suggests another deemed-likely-interesting-to-you given your assumed interest in the topic that you just read about https://indieweb.org/related_reading
# chrisaldrich snarfed, you mean that ^^ ?
# chrisaldrich That's pretty close, and I'd added some material to it yesterday. Any other examples folks can think of?
# chrisaldrich Swarm does a version of neighbors that is both location AND time dependent is another example I've got.
# chrisaldrich I also want to make sure there isn't some other common definition that I'm missing or which is commonly used amongst the social silos or their algorithms.
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# chrisaldrich So if I make follow posts and explicitly tag people as IndieWeb, then that could be a group of related people....
# chrisaldrich So https://boffosocko.com/?tag=IndieWeb&kind=follow, but obviously not as extensive as https://boffosocko.com/about/following/#Indieweb
# chrisaldrich I'm thinking "neighbor" defines the relationship(s) or common data types and a conglomeration of neighbors makes a /group
# chrisaldrich what is audience?
# Loqi audience is an experimental property of a post that indicates the intended recipients (readers) of the post https://indieweb.org/audience
# chrisaldrich and audience could potentially be a way of narrowing down or filtering a larger group...
# chrisaldrich eddie, I vaguely remember someone mentioning aggregating liked articles within readers lately as a means of creating nuzzle-like discovery. Was that you?
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# [tantek] manton++ wow awesome! definitely add Micro.blog to /Internet_Archive#Services - and agreed with opt-in (default off / no). Also consider the difference(s) between "send all my posts to internet archive" and "send everything I link to, to internet archive". Is there a downside to making just the latter on by default?
# chrisaldrich Not audience specifically... more around using readers as aggregators of data to help in discovery.
# Loqi Discovery is a variety of methods for finding content, websites, communities, or people to follow on the web including search, directories, recommendation engines, tags, or other serendipitous methods https://indieweb.org/discovery
# Loqi ok, I added "[[related reading]]" to the "See Also" section of /discovery https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57517&oldid=57461
# jeremycherfas I rate movies sometimes.
# chrisaldrich I've done book and moving ratings, though not always consistently
# jeremycherfas Not till tomorrow morning. And I’m pretty sure they’re not marked up.
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# chrisaldrich I find that typically I'm never doing rating-specific posts, but it's a sub-category of data that might appear in a Review post or in /watch or /read posts
# [tantek] review << example with [[rating]]: https://boffosocko.com/2018/12/30/mary-poppins-returns-2018-walt-disney-pictures/
# Loqi ok, I added "example with [[rating]]: https://boffosocko.com/2018/12/30/mary-poppins-returns-2018-walt-disney-pictures/" to the "See Also" section of /review https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57518&oldid=46081
# chrisaldrich tantek, I've seen people frequently on micro.blog who are doing PESOS from Letterboxd to their sites where the rating is more forward.
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# chrisaldrich rating example: https://arnoldhoogerwerf.net/2019/02/2334/
# chrisaldrich and the Syndicated version: https://micro.blog/ArnoldHoogerwerf/2411147
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rating" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "rating is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek] rating << example: https://arnoldhoogerwerf.net/2019/02/2334/ (POSSE copy: https://micro.blog/ArnoldHoogerwerf/2411147)
# Loqi ok, I added "example: https://arnoldhoogerwerf.net/2019/02/2334/ (POSSE copy: https://micro.blog/ArnoldHoogerwerf/2411147)" to a brand new "See Also" section of /rating https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57521&oldid=57520
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# chrisaldrich tantek++
# chrisaldrich If we're going to go with GWG's Year of Discovery starting in June, we've got to start building some runway... ;)
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# snarfed [tantek]: i have lots of inline ratings on eg (scroll down) https://snarfed.org/books , https://snarfed.org/beer , and most other pages linked from https://snarfed.org/lists
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# chrisaldrich snarfed, at least it's more dynamic range than Netflix allows now with thumbs up/thumbs down
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# chrisaldrich oops, forgot unrated...
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# petermolnar silos gonna silo? https://youtube-creators.googleblog.com/2019/02/more-updates-on-our-actions-related-to.html "More updates on our actions related to the safety of minors on YouTube" - read: comments on videos of children are now mostly banned.
# chrisaldrich What is moderation?
# Loqi Moderation is the process of holding comments for review by a human, and sometimes a source of frustration when a comment is written on another site that the commenter has no control over https://indieweb.org/moderation
# Loqi ok, I added "https://youtube-creators.googleblog.com/2019/02/more-updates-on-our-actions-related-to.html" to the "See Also" section of /moderation https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57528&oldid=54177
# chrisaldrich That YouTube article is generally their response to https://www.wired.co.uk/article/youtube-pedophile-videos-advertising
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