#indieweb 2019-03-01

2019-03-01 UTC
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chrisaldrich As I'm thinking about /Facebook_Fan_Subscriptions, I could have sworn that at a camp a year or so ago as Patreon was making changes some of us documented "supporting pages" to show the other half of the /payment process the way Patreon shows their support pages.
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chrisaldrich Does anyone remember where that may have been, I'm not seeing it at /payment /pledge /support
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chrisaldrich What is supporting?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "supporting" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "supporting is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich I'll stub something here unless someone can remember...
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jacky hmm the closest thing I can (personally) think of it https://drewdevault.com/donate/
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chrisaldrich I remember several people working at the how to accept payments part for their sites through various services
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chrisaldrich I went the opposite end of the route and created a supporting page https://boffosocko.com/about/supporting/
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[schmarty] /2017/Austin had some payment stuff from aaronpk and tantek iirc but it was ad hoc rather than subscription based
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chrisaldrich Thanks jacky, that's a great example
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chrisaldrich What is Liberapay?
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Loqi Liberapay is a service do make recurring donations to people whose work you appreciate https://indieweb.org/Liberapay
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snarfed chrisaldrich: yes! benwerd did recently too: https://werd.io/2019/what-do-i-pay-to-subscribe-to
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chrisaldrich thanks snarfed... I'm apparently behind on my feeds again...
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snarfed i have the same but not public yet
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chrisaldrich I should expand mine to include paid subscriptions to newspapers/magazines many of which I view paid subscriptions for to be essentially donations
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Loqi +1
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[tantek] One time rather than ad hoc, and it's been a very useful & usable feature that folks have used on my site!
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[tantek] See /pay for details
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chrisaldrich There is a somewhat related page at /donation I've noticed, but I think it's sufficiently different ...
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[tantek] I also created a minimal /request page on my site for the opposite, use-case when someone else pays for a group dinner and asks folks to venmo them
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jacky I got tagged earlier in this message's parent https://mobile.twitter.com/EricaJoy/status/1101361880180830208
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@EricaJoy in talking about this w/ @cap, i realized what i’m looking for. i want the iphone of self hosted blogging software: simple, intuitive, beautiful, & just works. i do not want the android of blogging software: can be great if you fiddle the right bits & find the right theme, etc. (twitter.com/_/status/1101361880180830208)
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jacky https://mobile.twitter.com/EricaJoy/status/1101204810290745345
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@EricaJoy do i have to put my writing back on my website now? is there a self hosted alternative to wordpress that's pretty (well designed), feature rich, and easy to use? (twitter.com/_/status/1101204810290745345)
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jacky it's not an unfair request
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jacky noticing a few posts that have this "assumed audience" label on them
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jacky https://www.chriskrycho.com/2018/assumed-audiences.html
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jacky https://redalemeden.com/blog/2019/we-need-chrome-no-more
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jacky nice way to help readers determine in advance what they 'might' need to know before continuing
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jacky also woah, I didn't know IWantMyName sponsored the IndieWeb
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jacky that's nice
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jacky I do like 80% of my registrations through them
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jacky https://combine.fm/
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[kevinmarks] Invite Erica to HWC SF, she's local.
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[Vincent] I like the idea of trying to add context to the post. I don’t know how successful it is in achieving it. But it’s a good start
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[kevinmarks] do you want to add examples to /audience
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[Vincent] what is a audience?
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Loqi audience is an experimental property of a post that indicates the intended recipients (readers) of the post https://indieweb.org/audience
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[Vincent] examples << https://www.chriskrycho.com/2018/assumed-audiences.html
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.chriskrycho.com/2018/assumed-audiences.html" to the "See Also" section of /code-of-conduct-examples https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57557&oldid=55842
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[Vincent] examples << https://redalemeden.com/blog/2019/we-need-chrome-no-more
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Loqi ok, I added "https://redalemeden.com/blog/2019/we-need-chrome-no-more" to the "See Also" section of /code-of-conduct-examples https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57558&oldid=57557
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[Vincent] hmm. I think they went to the wrong page.. lemmie check
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[Vincent] ok they should be on the right page now
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[jgmac1106] https://remixer.visualthinkery.com/a/bloggersInk
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[jeremycherfas] !tell [tantek] Most of my rated posts live at https://www.jeremycherfas.net/search/query:Judgements but not all posts there are rated.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk I want both. For my main site I want the ridiculously feature rich CMS with all the knobs so I can do things like customize my avatar per post, but then for my cat's website and project websites I want the really simple and straightforward system
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sknebel and a very interesting question is how much a) with defaults can play the role of b)
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aaronpk True but often with more options comes more moving parts and more things that can break
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[jgmac1106] which is kinda why I went A for my more static pages at https://jgregorymcverry.com and B for the social stream using Known (and bc I don't know how to add all the knobs to A)...but its a system I believe would work for most
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[jgmac1106] The UI needs love, but the role of Known having A out of the box with all IndieWeb building blocks on by default...but B being a bunch of one click plugins you could add (without going to GitHub) is intriguing design to me (not for Known but for CMS in general)
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk is right and WP perfect example of what an unmoderated plugin community can do...reak havoc
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petermolnar > all the knobs - you want the KDE of CMSes
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[jgmac1106] hee hee
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[tantek] using my day-by-day sequential navigation to review the first two months of the year
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Thinking about Bridging" https://david.shanske.com/2019/03/01/thinking-about-bridging/
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GWG So, my first article written entirely on Indigenous for Android seemed to work out.
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[tantek] wow
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swentel GWG, do you want an editor ? :)
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swentel (please say no)
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GWG swentel: The only think I realized while writing it is when I referenced things I couldn't link to them. Like linking Bridgy to https://brid.gy
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GWG I did that after publishing
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swentel ah hmm yes, that might be interesting
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GWG There's no other way right now. If you supported ending post-status to the server, I could transfer the post to my editor and edit it there, I suppose
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swentel I've experimented with some editors already though, but it's very buggy usually.
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swentel sending post-status ? You mean published or not?
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swentel I do that no ?
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GWG swentel: There is a published option, but when you have a draft in Indigenous, I can't figure out how to post it as a draft on my site.
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GWG It may be me misunderstanding the UI
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swentel ah, so draft is for storing in the app. There's also a published switch, that handles 'post-status'
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swentel which either is 'published' or 'draft'
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swentel too many options :)
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snarfed the wordpress mobile apps have good UX precedent for this. local draft vs draft vs published iirc
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GWG snarfed: Do you have a picture of that by any chance to brainstorm on?
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GWG I suppose I could install it to find one
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swentel oooh, right, that sounds better
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snarfed not handy, no, but easy to search, i'm sure screenshots exist
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GWG The problem is what you identified, swentel. The more options we offer, the more cluttered things get.
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snarfed if you collapse the UX into a single post status like that, it's no *more* options than before
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snarfed just one more *value* for an existing per-post option
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swentel that would help indeed
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swentel I need a UX/UI person to look at the app at some point
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snarfed in general the tension btw functionality and minimizing options is ok. you don't necessarily always choose one side or the other
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snarfed just be deliberate and thoughtful
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GWG Still, would be nice to get more feedback, not necessarily from a UX/UI person, but from more users in general.
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GWG snarfed: You'll be happy to know it works perfectly with the Micropub plugin
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snarfed great!
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GWG And when it doesn't, I fix it
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[grantcodes] Another suggestion for drafts, if you can query a micropub endpoint to see if it supports: 1. draft post-status 2. updates 3. micropub queries. If all that is supported a client can store and manage drafts on the server, and if not fall back to local drafts
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[grantcodes] But not sure all that has been proposed yet
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GWG [grantcodes]: We have a proposal for that
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GWG https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/8
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Loqi [dshanske] #8 Query for Supported Properties
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GWG https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/7
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Loqi [dshanske] #7 Query for Supported Queries
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GWG Seemed the easiest way to tell the client what you actually knew about, after query for vocabulary
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GWG https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/1
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Loqi [aaronpk] #1 Query for supported vocabulary
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[grantcodes] Yep, the base of it anyway.
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swentel GWG, I have my experimental version of checkin running
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swentel it's well, super easy :)
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GWG Oh?
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GWG What does it look like m
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chrisaldrich Holy webmentions batman! It looks like I've gotten some comments coming back to my WordPress website from Mastodon by comment_agent http.rb/3.3.0 (Mastodon/2.7.1; +https://mastodon.social/)
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chrisaldrich Has anyone seen this!!!
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GWG Not I. But I'm not Mastodon savvy
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chrisaldrich In looking, it appears that I've gotten 5 of them. And they all seem associated with my mastodon.social account instead of my mastodon instance courtesy of Pfefferle
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swentel hmm, I see a lot of pings from the fediverse
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snarfed chrisaldrich: are you running the activitypub plugin?
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swentel but that's usually to gather info about my instance
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chrisaldrich I do have pfefferle's activitypub plugin, but I didn't think he'd wired up the inbox portion yet.
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snarfed i doubt they're webmentions, since gargron explicitly decided not to implementing those
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GWG If I decide to jump on the ActivityPub bandwagon, am I better with Bridgy Fed or ActivityPub for WordPress?
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GWG Hmm..
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GWG Pingbacks?
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GWG Not sure what they might be.
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chrisaldrich And again, it seems associated with my chrisaldrich@mastodon.social account rather than @chrisaldrich@boffosocko.com.
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GWG Would have to look up the code to check
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swentel GWG, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/38
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Loqi [swentel] #38 Incoming requests from the fediverse once you're on it
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chrisaldrich They're definitely not Webmentions.
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chrisaldrich The meta_key "protocol" shows up as "activitypub" in wp_commentmeta
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chrisaldrich so also not trackbacks or pingbacks...
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GWG chrisaldrich: That sounds like the activitypub plugin.
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GWG Even though it might be coming from another instance
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GWG Ask pfefferle maybe?
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chrisaldrich I'm guessing it's got to be pfefferle as it's from this post https://mastodon.social/@chrisaldrich/101610660850777483 where I @mention my WP wordpress website from my mastodon.social account...
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] Have I mentioned that I can also be followed via Mastodon directly through my personal website @chrisaldrich that acts roughly like a freestanding instance? I'm still working out some bugs, but it's not as horrible as I would have thought.
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swentel chrisaldrich, I see them too in my logs
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swentel those are instances on the fediverse
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swentel pinging your site on certain paths (usually on a path like /api/v1/instance) to get information about your instance
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chrisaldrich Well, they're kindly show up in my system as native comments, though associated with post "0" so they're not displayed anywhere....
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chrisaldrich I'll have to do some manual tweaking on them to get them to show up somewhere properly or to force them to go to my /mentions page
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swentel oh, it's really a comment, interesting
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chrisaldrich Yes, an honest-to-goodness comment!
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chrisaldrich notices that pfefferle has surreptitiously moved "receive comments/reactions" into the implemented column at https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/
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Loqi [Matthias Pfefferle] Description This is BETA software, see the FAQ to see the current feature set or rather what is still planned. The plugin implements the ActivityPub protocol for your Blog. Your readers will be able to follow your Blogposts on Mastodon and other Fed...
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chrisaldrich Somehow I missed that when I was looking at recent updates...
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chrisaldrich pfefferle++
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Loqi pfefferle has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (35 in all channels)
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swentel GWG, wow, that's quite a long post there :)
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GWG swentel: Not bad for something I did on your app, is it?
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swentel it's quite amazing to be honest
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swentel I was wondering today to turn of article on my micropub endpoint
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swentel figuring that I would never do that hehe
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swentel Might need to reconsider now :)
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jacky swentel: I have a pending change to expose particular post types to apps largely for that reason lol
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jacky change to my site that is
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jacky I figure it'd make sense to allow something like OwnYourSwarm to only push 'checkin' posts to my site
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swentel well, I have it now in indigenous too ;) (although very experimental)
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GWG swentel: It is not something I'd do every day.
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