#indieweb 2019-03-02

2019-03-02 UTC
snarfed, Guest44, [grantcodes], emceeaich, [tantek], [jgmac1106], eli_oat, jackjamieson, wolftune, seekr, [jackjamieson], electronicmaji, treora and [jeremycherfas] joined the channel
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[jeremycherfas] php-micropub/README.md at master · dansup/php-micropub · GitHub
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[jeremycherfas] https://github.com/dansup/php-micropub/blob/master/README.md
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] What is Getogether?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Getogether" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Getogether is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] worth documenting: https://gettogether.community/about/
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[jgmac1106] nvm, pretty much just an idea..no real code yet
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jacky [jgmac1106]: there's code and it's working
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jacky profile: https://gettogether.community/profile/19665/
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jacky team: https://gettogether.community/bamf-bay-area-members-of-the-fediverse/
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jacky events: https://gettogether.community/events/249/dweb-sf-meet-up-not-hosted-by-bamf/
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jacky what is GetTogether
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "GetTogether" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "GetTogether is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky GetTogether is an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=ActivityPub-based meetup platform.
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Loqi ok
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[jgmac1106] ohh sweet!'
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[jgmac1106] jacky go to bed
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jacky I'm about to go run actually lol
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[jgmac1106] ohh okay, that's better..has to be like 2am
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jacky it's half past 3
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[jgmac1106] go to bed Jacky...run when you wake up
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[jgmac1106] I like our morning/late night chats
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[voss] Is anyone apart from me having issues connecting to Aperture over https?
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[voss] Looks like the certificate expired.
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[voss] !tell aaronpk looks like the SSL certificate for Aperture expired today.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Morning zegnat
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Zegnat Hello jeremycherfas :) working on anything today?
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jeremycherfas IndieWeb? Maybe, if I get this audio edit done.
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jeremycherfas Currently in the middle of my Anki stack for Italian.
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Zegnat Also a great skill to work on!
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jeremycherfas You would think I would have it already, after 18 years. But I am useless.
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sketchess good morning Indieweb
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sketchess Oh what a pitty, the Indieweb Podcasts stoped in September.
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Zegnat Hi sketchess, long time no see :)
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sketchess Yeah that is true.... I got a bit lost.
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sketchess But I learned ROM hacking.
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Zegnat That’s fun too!
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sketchess Catching up on WebCamp Berlin. Looks like that I have not missed much.
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Zegnat Berlin seems so long ago already
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sketchess Any changes on HWC?
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Zegnat There is no HWC Berlin anymore, I think. But I expect we’ll do an online HWC again on Wednesday
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Zegnat When is next HWC?
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Loqi Join us for an evening of IndieWeb personal site demos and discussions! Any questions? Ask in the chatroom! More… https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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sketchess What? o.O Morzilla hosted the WebCamp?.... And I totally missed it, nooohooo.
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Zegnat When is 2019/Berlin?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/2019/Berlin
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Zegnat They will be hosting another one soon ^^^
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sketchess Uh so soon.... and May. Month of Student fairs.
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[Rose] Sknebel was planning on restarting HWC Berlin I think.
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sketchess Hmm. Which platform are you going to use, Zegnat?
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Zegnat Oh, looks like we haven’t decided for one yet. Don’t know
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sketchess Well.... I have a Discord Server.....
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[jgmac1106] vHWC Americas will be on jitsi again as we do last dry run before IWC Online
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[jgmac1106] sketchess we have an IWC Online coming up next week
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sketchess jitsi...... yeah there rings something in my memories
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], will that be testing the selfhosted version?
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[jgmac1106] yes, will double check with Eddie but that is the plan
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[jgmac1106] really for online the fall back can be on thesession facilitator but we hope it works
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sketchess uuuh next weekend.... man I have a lot to catch up
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sketchess Tell me soon enough Zegnat, if you guys like to use discord for sessions. I would have to get some things ready, you know. In case you do not know anything about discord, chats and audio rooms are normally separated.
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Zegnat I admin on 2 Discord servers. But if we are going for audio only I think we will be using Mumble
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sketchess Ah. I see. On the video funktions I havend had my hands on yet. I somehow have doubts that Mumble is the better choice. I remember it not pretty stable.
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sketchess What do you think, Zegnat? What is your experience using Discord Audo Channels?
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Zegnat Discord Audio is OK. I have played D&D using it. Video I haven’t tried because it isn’t available in the browser.
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sketchess afk... making some tea
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sketchess Well, we will see how things will come together. You know about my vote. Okay, time for me to go for now. Have a nice day guys.
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sketchess And greetings to schmarty and jeremycherfas.
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sketchess bye, see ya
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jeremycherfas Oh. Sorry to miss you sketchess. I was finishing something else.
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aaronpk Thanks [voss] fixed
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Loqi aaronpk: [voss] left you a message 2 hours, 34 minutes ago: looks like the SSL certificate for Aperture expired today.
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aaronpk looks like I forgot to clean things up a bit after moving a bunch of stuff to the new server
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[schmarty] oh! hi sketchess! see you next time! sorry i missed you. also sorry to drop This Week in the IndieWeb podcast. i had life stuff that came up. thinking i might bring it back with the help of some automation.
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[eddie] Zegnat yep, Virtual Meetup Americas is using the IndieWeb.org Hosted Jitsi. Same thing that was used for IWC Austin. I’ll have it up all day on Wednesday for anyone that wants to use it
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Zegnat [eddie], cool! Maybe we should try to do HWC Europe on there too, see how that connection holds (I am guessing it is on US AWS?)
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[eddie] It is a US AWS but it’s only one really high bandwidth server which should be helpful
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[eddie] The Hosted Jitsi was multi server which I think was the primary source of issues
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[eddie] I definitely think if you all are interested in using it for HWC Europe that would be great
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[voss] Thansk aaronpk!
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sknebel [eddie]: great, had planned and forgotten to ask you to have it available for us
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sknebel sketchess: as [Rose] said, HWC Berlin might be restarting soon, but no date and time set yet
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[schmarty] eddie, sknebel: the jitsi setup could probably be duplicated to run in an EU data center. :}
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sknebel [schmarty]: sure, but lets try it before we create more work :D
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[schmarty] sknebel: great point. keeping in mind that an EU setup would be "better, probably, by an unknowable amount"
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Zegnat Lets not go multiserver for IWC Online though, if we do not know if that was causing the connectivity issues before :)
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[eddie] [schmarty] absolutely, although I think that’s best just for HWCs as opposed to IWC Online
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[eddie] Haha! Zegnat! Great minds think alike
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[schmarty] oh yeah, i don't want to suggest we set that up for IWC
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Zegnat I do think more Jitsi testing will be great
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Zegnat Hmm. I think I now have a place to stay in NL, as well as a possible +1 to bring to IWC Utrecht. Now I just need to actually plan the trip
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[eddie] [schmarty] 👍
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[eddie] I do think it’s great that we can launch these servers in any area we want
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sandro Hey folks. Anyone done work toward aligning DIDs and IndieAuth? Alas, it's impossible to websearch on DID. @aaronpk
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aaronpk sandro: I learned a bit about that at the last IIW and the W3C workshop in December. Will you be attending the next IIW?
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aaronpk er sandhawke
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sandhawke (I lost the name sandro on freenode some years ago. figure I should switch to something I can register, I guess.)
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aaronpk Also this is gonna get in the weeds fast so probably a better conversation for #indieweb-dev
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sandhawke ok
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[tantek] interesting, just noticed swentel is using a "microformats" image/button to link to a dedicated h-feed page from his homepage (which also has a <link rel=feed> to the same h-feed page in the head of the homepage, presumably for discovery, but that's more dev-y)
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[jgmac1106] still a neat idea
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sknebel btw, does Swarm mix checkins and reviews?
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aaronpk mix how?
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sknebel are they in there at all (or is that the foursquare app, which is also still around?)? can you checkin and rate/review in one flow?
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aaronpk there is "write a tip" in swarm
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aaronpk and "rate"
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aaronpk it's not part of the checkin flow
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[tantek] not in one flow no
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[tantek] you checkin, then you might be prompted to rate or review, but that's a separate post
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[tantek] I mean you could do that in Indigenous too - when someone checksin in Indigenous, it could prompt them for a /rating
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aaronpk I just realized my avatar on my likes should be me giving a thumbs up
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swentel hehe
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aaronpk I had a few others I missed, I should go do another photo shoot
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[tantek] wonders what the avatar on aaronpk's reposts will be
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[tantek] holding up a recycling bin?
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aaronpk ha
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swentel that should be on a 410 :)
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[tantek] on /deleted posts yes!
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aaronpk lolol
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[tantek] just a blank wall, no aaronpk
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GWG aaronpk, my mother loved that by the way
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aaronpk haha excellent
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GWG She tuned into the stream looking for me
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[tantek] Whoa I just found a VERY strange Google Search bug that makes me wonder if they're not actually indexing ALL the text on a page
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[tantek] 1. Use search phrase A in Google, click on result B (that has that search phrase)
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[tantek] 2. Copy paste phrase C from that result B page
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[tantek] 3. Enter phrase C into Google Search, AND NOT SEE B in the results!
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[tantek] ^^^ has anyone ever seen this happen?
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[tantek] s/Copy paste/Copy
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[tantek] point being, if B was findable via search phrase A, why wouldn't it be findable by search phrase C which is also on page B in visible text?
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[tantek] A: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atantek.com+speakable+URLs
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[tantek] B: http://tantek.com/2013/104/t2/urls-readable-speakable-listenable-retypable
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] URLs should be readable, speakable, listenable, and unambiguously retypable, e.g. from print: tantek.com/w/ShortURLPrintExample #UX
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[tantek] C: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atantek.com+ttk.me+t4PV2
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[tantek] C2: https://www.google.com/search?q=ttk.me+t4PV2 (without the site: term) - still fails to find it (finds one page of a few other rando results)
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[tantek] Can anyone else verify ^^^? If so I want to add it as an issue on /Google_Search and add it as a reason why you should own your own site search (because clearly Google is not actually indexing all the text on a page, or they've got weird bugs that cause it to act like they don't actually index all your visible text)
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aaronpk I see the same results you mentioned
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[tantek] so you see the problem
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swentel hmmm
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aaronpk yep sounds like a good reason to not rely on google for searching your site
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[tantek] you can verify that "ttk.me t4PV2" is present in the visible text of B
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swentel [tantek], but you search for 'ttk.me t4PV1' which isn't on that page, 'ttk.me t4PV2' is though :)
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swentel wait
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swentel I'm confused now
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[tantek] uh there's no mention of t4PV1 in the above dialog til you said it
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swentel oh, those are 2 different urls
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swentel sorry
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[tantek] of course they are 🙂
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swentel my bad
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swentel I accidentely hit the left arrow key
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swentel and I navigated on your site
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[tantek] clearly I should write a brief Google Fails To Index All The Text On A Page! SEO type article
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swentel so yeah, I see the the same problem :)
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[tantek] great I will cite you two as witnesses, because obviously Google will soon index this conversation in the logs
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swentel interesting, when I switch tabs by keyboard, your site also navigates hehe
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[tantek] wat uh oh that might be an event handling bug on my part. depending on what keys you're using for "switch tabs by keyboard"
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swentel ctrl + pagedown
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swentel to go right
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[tantek] might be the pagedown that's triggering it
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[tantek] so I need to check for that ok
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swentel even 't4PV2' alone doesn't find anything
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swentel duckduckgo otoh is fine
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[tantek] which is what I use for the search boxes on my site 🙂
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