#indieweb 2019-03-20

2019-03-20 UTC
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[jgmac1106] !tell gregorlove an interesting KanBan style reading collection: https://tender-tune.glitch.me/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove_ [jgmac1106], What's Kanban?
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Loqi gRegorLove_: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 hour, 7 minutes ago: an interesting KanBan style reading collection: https://tender-tune.glitch.me/
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[eddie] gRegorLove Kanban is the philosophy of moving ideas through columns of progression. That’s what Trello was based on
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gRegorLove_ Ah, interesting
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[tantek] Would that apply to moving blog post ideas/drafts through a profession?
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[tantek] progression*
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[jgmac1106] I always called it moving a list item between three different lists, but in a way yes, and thought about that with read, watch, and listen. I think I would want to update a progression more than publish three posts
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[jgmac1106] or even better use webmentions maybe to link my progression through three posts
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[aaronpk] Yes it could, but it's specifically about the visual representation of it. It's a great way to keep track of progress on multiple things tho, like if you write multiple posts in parallel and want to track progress of idea through draft and publishing stages
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[jgmac1106] Oh yes....I am addicted to cards the list item I move around..if I took the time would be styled into nice cards and moved into other cards....I may want to hack on this...doing it on the wiki page now: https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com
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[jgmac1106] hope Japan is treating you two well pics have been great
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[tantek] side effect of being able to "easily" (in my UI) add alt text to my photos, now I have the extra cognitive step of writing alt text for each photo!
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jamietanna[m] Morning folks!
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Zegnat Good morning jamietanna[m]!
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[tantek] and Twitter has errantly suspended my account. again.
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[tantek] "Your account, t has been suspended for violating the Twitter Rules.
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[tantek] You may not engage in the targeted harassment of someone, or incite other people to do so. We consider abusive behavior an attempt to harass, intimidate, or silence someone else’s voice."
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[tantek] Specifically, for:
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[tantek] Violating our rules against abusive behavior.
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[tantek] in email
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[tantek] when I've not posted anything of the sort
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[tantek] getting pretty annoyed at Twitter's false negatives
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[tantek] my appeal: "I have never posted any harassment ever - please review my tweets!"
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jamietanna[m] Oh no, that's really sucky 😞 Could be that someone's flagging you as a way of trolling ?
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Zegnat I wonder if there is also something about your account because of all the errant “@t”s that people put in random tweets
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petermolnar ^ this
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[tantek] "Your request has been submitted to Twitter. We are usually able to respond within a few days, but some issues may take longer.
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[tantek] Please check your email inbox for an email from Twitter Support. If you don't see one, try checking your email's spam and trash folders."
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[tantek] I guess I'll check again in the morning
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Zegnat What time is it for [tantek]?
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Loqi In [tantek]'s timezone, America/Los_Angeles, it is currently 2:32am on March 20
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Zegnat Good call on the morning thing!
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[tantek] at least I got alt text working, on a /multiphoto even, which Bridgy successfully POSSEd to Twitter, alt text included
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[tantek] and for about an hour you could see the POSSE tweet and verify the alts
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[tantek] commented out Twitter from my /contact page until they unsuspend
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[Rose] How do I send references to a photo to a micropub endpoint? I know mine takes it through headers of some kind, is it just mf-photo?
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GWG URL references or uploading the file?
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[Rose] URL references
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[Rose] I already uploaded all the pictures for once 😄
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GWG Then the reference is just photo, not mf-photo
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[Rose] Gotcha, thanks!
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[aaronpk] What that was on your main @t account??
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[kevinmarks] must be someone trying to steal it
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[aaronpk] Yeah I thought that flag happens from manual reports
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[cowglow] Testing one two three
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[cowglow] I think I'm getting a hang of this chat thing
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[Rose] Hey!
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[Rose] I just use Slack, I'm very lazy
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[cowglow] Hello Rose!
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[cowglow] I just figured out how to get my avatar on here :LOL:
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[cowglow] :lol:
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[cowglow] no, i guess emoji shortcode don't work here
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[Rose] That took me a while
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Zegnat When is next-hwc?
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Loqi Join us for an evening of IndieWeb personal site demos and discussions! Any questions? Ask in the chatroom! More… https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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Zegnat These HWCs keep sneaking up on me
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jeremycherfas Me too zegnat. And I was so hoping to be able to have something to show for my efforts.
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[Rose] I am missing about 40 posts before I can switch to WordPress, so close
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[Rose] Unfortunately I'm about to record a podcast, so I won't have anything finished to show tonight
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[tantek] aaronpk, yes my main @ t account. and I just checked and they apparently suspended my less used @ tantek account too.
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[tantek] KevinMarks I don't understand how getting an account suspended has any impact on being able to steal it
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[tantek] Sounds like just trolling to me
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[tantek] (and yeah, still suspended, haven't heard anything from support)
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[tantek] ok I'm going to archive the suspension in internet archive
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[tantek] for posterity
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[kevinmarks] Wow, not just locked, hiding all your posts?
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[tantek] correct
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/1108401652946661379
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@zeldman Welcome to Twitter, where Nazis and bots post freely, but @t is suspended. (twitter.com/_/status/1108401652946661379)
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[tantek] FTR the suspension notification came via email at 2019-03-20 01:42 PDT
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sknebel 16 minutes until vHWC EU at https://meet.indieweb.org/vhwc
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2019-03-20 7:15pm CET (#6526)
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sknebel (I'm there from now, if someone is early and wants to chat)
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chrisaldrich What is gopher?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gopher" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "gopher is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Loqi vHWC EU at https://meet.indieweb.org/vhwc
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[eddie] interesting, how did Loqi do that?
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[eddie] oh I see it was a countdown
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chrisaldrich Though that would be a cool thing for Loqi to give reminders with links for things in /events
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[davidmead] So used to consuming your stuff elsewhere [tantek] it took Zeldman’s tweet to know you’d offended the Twitter overlords 😉
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[tantek] [davidmead] interesting - so you saw my most recent post about getting alt working? (wasn't able to POSSE it, yet)
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[tantek] TIL: You can't block accounts on Twitter if your account is suspended.
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[eddie] Loqi << feature request: It would be cool if Loqi could watch items on [[events]] and announce it when or shortly before it starts in the IndieWeb channel
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Loqi ok, I added "feature request: It would be cool if Loqi could watch items on [[events]] and announce it when or shortly before it starts in the IndieWeb channel" to the "See Also" section of /Loqi https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=58363&oldid=58144
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Loqi I think shortly before it starts in the indieweb channel
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[tantek] or maybe in the meta channel?
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[eddie] If it is an event beginning I think that would be of general interest
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[eddie] In case people want to participate
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[eddie] but, yeah either one works
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[Rose] Eddie we're talking about the one off sessions!
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[eddie] ohh cool! 🙂 Can't join in right now, but looking forward to hearing what you all talked about
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snarfed [eddie]: sounds like an extension of what sknebel did with kaja?
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[eddie] snarfed: That's true, Kaja could probably do it as well
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[tantek] alright going through a bunch of other accounts FTR to note what's been locked/suspended or not
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp has been locked
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/microformats has been locked
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[schmarty] oh gosh. could it be they're locking all accounts tied to you through an email address or something?
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/mozhq has been locked
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/cassisjs has been locked
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/css3color has been locked
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/mozmv has been locked
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/RelMeAuth has been locked
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/ContactsAPI has been locked
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/microformats2 has been locked
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/WebAppsWG has been locked
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gRegorLove Twitter-- dang
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Loqi Twitter has -2 karma in this channel over the last year (-3 in all channels)
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[tantek] Thanks Eric Meyer: https://twitter.com/meyerweb/status/1108474263722434560
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/favelet is locked
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/h2vx is locked
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/indieweborg is locked
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Zegnat Wait, what sort of people react to Zeldman on https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/1108401652946661379 ?! When I scroll down I get the option to “Show additional replies, including those that may contain offensive content”. I don’t want to see offensive content, I jsut want to see what people have to say
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@zeldman Welcome to Twitter, where Nazis and bots post freely, but @t is suspended. (twitter.com/_/status/1108401652946661379)
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[tantek] And that's the set I've checked so far
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Zegnat Ah, apparently [jgmac1106] noticed it too
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Zegnat Twitter is weird…
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[tantek] [Zegnat] maybe a good opportunity to screenshot that as an example of silo (auto-)moderation?
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[jgmac1106] Yeah I couldn't get it back after I clicked. World needs to know it goes Nazis, bot, then @t in terms of evil.....
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[jgmac1106] The end is near for Twitter POSSE... They will follow Facebook and cut off the write API... Or say Bridgy falls under the new "paid tier" of develop apps
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gRegorLove "I don’t want to see offensive content" Twitter might not be the best site then, haha
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snarfed whoa there, hold your horses
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snarfed [jgmac1106]: are you extrapolating from tantek's suspension? or recent twitter API changes? or...?
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[tantek] snarfed, at least I got to successfully test Bridgy Publish multiphoto+alts to Twitter before they suspended my account
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snarfed i saw! yay
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[tantek] I saw it (still have the tab open with the POSSE tweet, with Inspect element with the alt values)
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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[tantek] was literally the last thing I was able to post before the suspension. So, I post photos with decent alt text for the first time, and Twitter decides to suspend me for "harassment".
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snarfed sigh
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[tantek] literally an hour later.
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snarfed for the record, i have no reason to believe "the end is near for twitter posse"
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[kevinmarks] I wonder if having multiple accounts is now a negative signal
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[tantek] adactio has multiple accounts he uses regularly, and automatically, for his links, journal posts etc.
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[kevinmarks] The api throttling they announced won't affect brid.gy?
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gRegorLove multiple accounts + no mobile number on the account is probably a negative signal
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: 1qps on the timeline endpoints? good nudge, i don't think bridgy uses them but i'll check
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snarfed (also those are read, not write, so unrelated to posse)
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[tantek] gRegorLove they've locked/suspended my account before, and I've followed up with support, and they've unsuspended/unlocked it before, and explicitly made a note that I don't have a phone number and they should not be asking for one
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gRegorLove Twitter > Settings > Notifications has options to mute notifications including from people "Who haven't confirmed their phone number"
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gRegorLove Yeah, I figured
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[tantek] sure that's fine. still doesn't justify when their entire UX (anytime they show a phone number) states it as optional
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gRegorLove That stinks, sorry it's happening again
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gRegorLove Not justifying, just noting it.
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[tantek] Only thing I can think of is some form of targeted DoS false report harassment due to my single letter Twitter name
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snarfed agreed, seems likeliest
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gRegorLove Yeah, I've seen lots of anecdotes of that happening
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Zegnat Aren’t single letter names exceptions already? Are any of those random people who just happened to register them? Feels like they might be able to just mark those as never being auto-moderated
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[tantek] That would be a reasonable approach yes
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[kevinmarks] Also anyone with a user account number under 100,000
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[tantek] [kevinmarks] that would be an excellent way to auto-seed an "invite only" new network, app, site etc.
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[jgmac1106] So at my impromptu change for my HWC event met with an organization u-of-next.com almost sounds like they are meant for microformats
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