#indieweb 2019-04-15

2019-04-15 UTC
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jacky on a note of that ^
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jacky I wanted a friend to look at the wiki and just give feedback
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jacky they do technical documentation so def more experience than me in making a concept very soup-to-nuts friendly
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[eddie] ohhh I like that personal site you posted about jacky!
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[schmarty] Hello!
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[schmarty] sl1: the emoji are randomly assigned based on your URL. If your emoji changed it is because something about your URL changed.
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[schmarty] I am planning to drop them because they are more of a headache than they are worth in cuteness.
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[eddie] schmarty 👋
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Jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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Jeremycherfas I may tackle the upgrade to Grav today.
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[Rose] One plugin not being updated did break one of my sites I should note. "New Page via form", but I didn't need it, deleted the folder, and was back in business.
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Jeremycherfas Good to know. Having seen the flurry of point.point releases, I'm glad to have waited a bit. And will now likely wait until this afternoon.
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ingoogni is there something like peertube for audio/sound only, soundcloud like?
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Jeremycherfas !tell [rose] Seems to have gone OK. :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[Rose] Good!
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Jeremycherfas Moving on to Karabiner etc. Realised I shouldn't be alternating mouse and trackpad, but using both together, as appropriate.
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sknebel *beep* this is your friendly reminder that there will be a vHWC in around two hours. *beep*
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[grantcodes] Ha thank you robot sknebel
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jacky what is next-hwc
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Loqi Join us for an evening of IndieWeb personal site demos and discussions! Any questions? Ask in the chatroom! More… https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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Jeremycherfas !tell sknebel Not going to make it tonight, I'm afraid.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel No worries Jeremycherfas
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Loqi sknebel: Jeremycherfas left you a message 8 minutes ago: Not going to make it tonight, I'm afraid.
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chrisaldrich Good morning indieweb!
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chrisaldrich I ran into this article the other day and was curious what others thought: https://chrishardie.com/2018/05/scoring-open-web/
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Loqi A month ago in a tweet related to my post about bringing people back to the open web, I casually proposed a resource that would score tools, services and other websites on their commitment to being a part of the open web. I'm back to flesh that idea...
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chrisaldrich If we measure what we value, how would we best measure this ^^?
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chrisaldrich Should we?
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[schmarty] it sounds like an effort and goodwill pit to me
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[schmarty] easy to do badly, hard to do well, alienates people by design.
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[eddie] I think measuring is valuable but grading is not
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[eddie] I would say doing something more like attaching verbs or nouns to describe the functionality of a website and then find a way to measure sites based on that would be a better direction
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sknebel I'm not even a big fan of Indiemark, so agreed on grading
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sknebel (Gonna be late for vhwc, please start without me - [Rose] Zegnat
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[jgmac1106] waste of human capital, we have buttons people can add for indieweb or microformats is we want...IndieMark is a confusing gamification process of an always changing landscape
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[Rose] I've only just landed, won't be home for about an hour I estimate.
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sknebel I just arrived and went online: https://meet.indieweb.org/vhwc
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jackjamieson Good morning IndieWeb!
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jackjamieson chrisaldrich, I think measuring and even grading can be useful, but I'm put off by that article's claim of "easily digestable criteria." Some metrics can be straightforward (e.g. types of export options), but I can't imagine a straightforward metric for something like user empowerment
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jackjamieson Specifically because a service that is empowering to one group of people might leave another group out
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[jgmac1106] Criteria: Do you say your website is IndieWeb friendly, Evidence: you say so
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[jgmac1106] these webmention badges are from the wiki we COULD create one for IndieWeb folks...but I don't want to...https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/pages/badges you say your site is IndieWeb friendly...cool it is
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Loqi toolbuilder badge Tool Builder https://indieweb.org/images/2/2e/toolbuilderbadge.png
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[jgmac1106] we also have a gigantic wiki to verify IndieWeb friendly tools...if it has a page it has a dfn, IndieWeb examples, criticism, etc....wiki gardening is our grading
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[tantek] sknebel, [Rose] where was today's vHWC documented?
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[Rose] I wasn't there. I only just got home.
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[tantek] ah just saw it on https://indieweb.org/Events - sorry I didn't see it as a venue on the main HWC event page for this week so I didn't add it to the Mozilla announcements wiki https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2019-04-15#Upcoming_Events
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sknebel [tantek]: in the wiki on /Events, and thus on the front page, and in last weeks newsletter
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[tantek] oops sorry I should have put this meta
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[eddie] Has anyone been reading Brent Simmons' brainstorms on a Blog Search Engine? Similar to a planet but focused on search/discovery
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[eddie] planet << http://inessential.com/2019/04/11/wishing_for_blog_search_engines
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Loqi ok, I added "http://inessential.com/2019/04/11/wishing_for_blog_search_engines" to the "See Also" section of /planet https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59308&oldid=54972
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[eddie] planet << http://inessential.com/2019/04/14/more_thoughts_at_random_on_blog_search_e
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Loqi ok, I added "http://inessential.com/2019/04/14/more_thoughts_at_random_on_blog_search_e" to the "See Also" section of /planet https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59309&oldid=59308
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aaronpk I saw that. sounds a lot like technorati
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[eddie] Yeah, he specifically called technorati out as a previous incarnation
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[eddie] planet << http://cdevroe.com/2019/04/15/blog-search/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://cdevroe.com/2019/04/15/blog-search/" to the "See Also" section of /planet https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59310&oldid=59309
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aaronpk also no reason to only crawl RSS, since microformats gives the same benefit he was citing of "not needing to strip out website navigation"
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[eddie] Yeah, I think RSS is a bit shallow
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[eddie] RSS, JSON Feed, h-feed, etc
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[jgmac1106] Bradenslen has done a ton of research on this
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[jgmac1106] My idea was more an opt in search engine
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[jgmac1106] You choose which mf2 properties get crawled within a community
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[eddie] planet << [https://micro.blog/artkavanagh/3147768 Discussion in reply to Brent Simmon's Blog Post]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://micro.blog/artkavanagh/3147768 Discussion in reply to Brent Simmon's Blog Post]" to the "See Also" section of /planet https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59311&oldid=59310
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Loqi [artkavanagh] @brentsimmons I hope somebody who has the skills and resources to develop this is reading. Some excellent ideas here.
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aaronpk was there anything particularly unique about the approach he described? it sounds like a pretty straightforward idea which many of us here have talked about doing for quite a long time. it's just quite a lot of technical work.
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[eddie] He just described it in one place in a lot of detail that sounded very enticing
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[eddie] I feel like other discussions have been smaller bits or more vague, while I think getting at the same idea
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[eddie] but having it all together, when I read it something really clicked
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[jgmac1106] You get close with the custom search engine cweiske built already
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[eddie] jgmac1106 what custom search engine is that? You mean the one used for IndieWeb Chat logs?
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[jgmac1106] Just think we could do some cool queries within a community with mf2 and also empower people to say you can crawl x but not y.
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[jgmac1106] No
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aaronpk yeah that's the one
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aaronpk but he has another version of it that's not limited to the chat logs
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[jgmac1106] Ohh yeah
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[eddie] ohh really? Interesting
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aaronpk I dunno this just seems really straightforward to me, and not like that revolutionary of an idea?
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[jgmac1106] No
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[eddie] no it's not revolutionary, it just clicked in my mind the way it was worded
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[eddie] maybe it was the timing, maybe it was the wording 🤷‍♂️
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[jgmac1106] Best thing folks can do to help discovery is blog more
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[jgmac1106] eddie here were my thoughts: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/25/scoping-out-basics-of-indieweb-search
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[jgmac1106] ...btw lost access to intern as they got contract to create search engine of real time locations of sattelites..plus as [snarfed] and [aaronpk] point out this isn't new
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[eddie] Yeah, that was a good overview, jgmac1106. I think one thing in something like this is if at all possible use IndieWeb technologies to enhance but don't require it
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[eddie] So being able to index RSS and JSON Feed posts, but use progressive enhancement essentially for h-feed and such
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[jgmac1106] well off to coach little league
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[eddie] 👋 [jgmac1106]
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[kevinmarks] At technorati we parsed the feeds and the html. The common blog engines meant that the html templates were fairly uniform. Microformats helped add structure.
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