#indieweb 2019-04-24
2019-04-24 UTC
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[dmitshur] hello
# [dmitshur] I have an indieweb topic that's been on my mind lately. I wonder if others have given it much thought
# [dmitshur] so one of the big tenets of indieweb (as I understand it) is owning your own data. e.g. https://indieweb.org/own_your_data and https://indieweb.org/why
# [dmitshur] I've seen that often taken in context of blog posts, photos... many other things like that.
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# [dmitshur] but have people thought much about how it applies in regard to a very specific type of data: subscriptions
# [dmitshur] subscriptions to receiving notifications more specifically.
# [dmitshur] I'll give an example of what I mean
# [dmitshur] on GitHub, you can "watch" a repository. when you do, you end up getting notifications whenever activity happens in that repo. github is the owner of the information of whether or not you're watching a given repository. e.g. https://github.com/facebook/react/watchers
# [dmitshur] on twitter, you can follow people. when you do, you get their tweets in your stream (more or less). twitter is the owner of the information of which accounts your account follows.
# [dmitshur] on gerrit, you can add yourself to a /cc list. when you do, you get notifications from gerrit whenever activity happens there. gerrit is the owner of the information of which CLs you're being /cc'ed on
# [dmitshur] (with a bunch of work) it's possible to invert that to some degree and own your own subscription data. i.e., to be the owner of the information which twitter people you follow, which Gerrit CLs you're /cc'ed on, which GitHub repos you're watching, etc.
# [dmitshur] I'm curious if anyone has thought about that or implemented things in the same vein
# [dmitshur] and if so, what are the implications of owning that data yourself instead of the silo. does it enable something interesting and unexpected?
# [dmitshur] or is it just extra work with no gain
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[pmc] sounds like microsub unless I'm missing something
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# [dmitshur] Thanks for pointing me in that direction, I’ll read up more about microsub. But is it compatible with the likes of GitHub. Twitter, Gerrit, etc.? Or would they have to do something different to provide a microsub-compatible feed?
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[chrisaldrich] What is opml?
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Loqi OPML stands for Outline Processor Markup Language, an XML-based format and defacto standard used for feed lists interchange https://indieweb.org/OPML
# [chrisaldrich] I use that ^ on my site to own my subscriptions on my site.
# [chrisaldrich] Here's my example, but there are other ways to think about and solve it. https://boffosocko.com/about/following/
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# [dmitshur] Thanks!
# [chrisaldrich] OPML subscription is a powerful concept (and shareable too). I hope that there's an equivalent in microsubs implementation.
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Ruxton [chrisaldrich]: https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec#Following
# [dmitshur] That page is quite cool. I was thinking that one of the benefits to owning your subscription data, assuming you manage to own all of it, is that it becomes very easy to visualize it in aggregate, etc. your following page seems to be a good example of that.
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# chrisaldrich Part of the value of OPML and OPML subscription is the ability to share your follow lists with others. I don't think that piece of functionality exists easily/quickly within Microsub (yet?).
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# chrisaldrich What is Reddit?
# Loqi Reddit is a link aggregator and bulletin board site where community members may submit links and text posts, vote on the submitted entries, and post comments on them https://indieweb.org/Reddit
# chrisaldrich I recall a note on that page about it not being very POSSE friendly.
# chrisaldrich There is an open issue on /Bridgy for supporting backfeed from Reddit: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/505
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[kevinmarks] Good thread here from Tom https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/1120529046163664897?s=19
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[tantek] social media << https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/1120529046163664897 and thread unrolled: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1120529046163664897.html
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@tomcoates A few quick things I've learned recently from interviewing people about social media, which has been super interesting. (twitter.com/_/status/1120529046163664897)
# Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/1120529046163664897 and thread unrolled: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1120529046163664897.html" to the "See Also" section of /social_media https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59702&oldid=59661
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# jamietanna|wwwjv Morning IndieWeb!
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Super late at night but I just published a IndieAuth library for Ueberauth! Now I can drop authentication using one’s site super easily (less than ~25 lines of code). I have a mirror of the code ..." https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/62e01ea2-ae86-41b4-a2f4-6fee75d37cc9
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Jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "bringing back the participatory: a story of the #ProSocialWeb | the theoryblog" http://theory.cribchronicles.com/2019/04/23/bringing-back-the-participatory-the-story-of-the-prosocialweb/ (from https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/04/24/bringing-back-the-participatory-a-story-of-the-prosocialweb-the)
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petermolnar silo-semi-quits
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[frank] I started my list of the things I would like to do on the second day of IWC Utrecht. Sorry [Rose], you're on my list. We nééd to talk automation and how to make publishing bookmarks etc to my blog easier 🙂 https://diggingthedigital.com/wat-wil-ik-doen-op-indiewebcamp-utrecht/
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# Jeremycherfas !tell [frank] I'm also into bookmarking and how to make it easier.
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gRegorLove good morning, indieweb
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# [tantek] Just released with plenty indieweb relevant bits: https://internethealthreport.org/2019/
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# [tantek] Folks might find this article in particular topical: https://internethealthreport.org/2019/understand-the-issue-decentralization-2/
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# [tantek] https://internethealthreport.org/2019/an-open-source-alternative-for-the-cloud/ links to /Getting_Started in its Further Reading section!
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Zegnat !tell Jeena,voxpelli If you needed a reason to visit Åmål, and want to help kickstart IndieWeb in Sweden again, there is this thing we are trying to plan: https://indieweb.org/2019/Planning#Remote_Viewing_Party !
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