#indieweb 2019-04-24

2019-04-24 UTC
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[eddie]
I've thought about doing a very simplified version with bookmarks and tag/category
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[dmitshur]
I have an indieweb topic that's been on my mind lately. I wonder if others have given it much thought
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[dmitshur]
so one of the big tenets of indieweb (as I understand it) is owning your own data. e.g. https://indieweb.org/own_your_data and https://indieweb.org/why
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[dmitshur]
I've seen that often taken in context of blog posts, photos... many other things like that.
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[dmitshur]
but have people thought much about how it applies in regard to a very specific type of data: subscriptions
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[dmitshur]
subscriptions to receiving notifications more specifically.
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[dmitshur]
I'll give an example of what I mean
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[dmitshur]
on GitHub, you can "watch" a repository. when you do, you end up getting notifications whenever activity happens in that repo. github is the owner of the information of whether or not you're watching a given repository. e.g. https://github.com/facebook/react/watchers
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[dmitshur]
on twitter, you can follow people. when you do, you get their tweets in your stream (more or less). twitter is the owner of the information of which accounts your account follows.
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[dmitshur]
on gerrit, you can add yourself to a /cc list. when you do, you get notifications from gerrit whenever activity happens there. gerrit is the owner of the information of which CLs you're being /cc'ed on
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[dmitshur]
(with a bunch of work) it's possible to invert that to some degree and own your own subscription data. i.e., to be the owner of the information which twitter people you follow, which Gerrit CLs you're /cc'ed on, which GitHub repos you're watching, etc.
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[dmitshur]
I'm curious if anyone has thought about that or implemented things in the same vein
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[dmitshur]
and if so, what are the implications of owning that data yourself instead of the silo. does it enable something interesting and unexpected?
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[dmitshur]
or is it just extra work with no gain
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[pmc]
sounds like microsub unless I'm missing something
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Ruxton
yeah pretty much
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[dmitshur]
Thanks for pointing me in that direction, I’ll read up more about microsub. But is it compatible with the likes of GitHub. Twitter, Gerrit, etc.? Or would they have to do something different to provide a microsub-compatible feed?
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[chrisaldrich]
What is opml?
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Loqi
OPML stands for Outline Processor Markup Language, an XML-based format and defacto standard used for feed lists interchange https://indieweb.org/OPML
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[chrisaldrich]
I use that ^ on my site to own my subscriptions on my site.
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[chrisaldrich]
Here's my example, but there are other ways to think about and solve it. https://boffosocko.com/about/following/
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[chrisaldrich]
OPML subscription is a powerful concept (and shareable too). I hope that there's an equivalent in microsubs implementation.
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Ruxton
[chrisaldrich]: the response from GET on follow action in mircrosub would be the OPML equivalent
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[dmitshur]
That page is quite cool. I was thinking that one of the benefits to owning your subscription data, assuming you manage to own all of it, is that it becomes very easy to visualize it in aggregate, etc. your following page seems to be a good example of that.
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Ruxton
two things i've missed over the last few years are related to blogroll
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Ruxton
feed readers are a dying breed and most of the sites I followed all migrated their posting to walled gardens.
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chrisaldrich
Part of the value of OPML and OPML subscription is the ability to share your follow lists with others. I don't think that piece of functionality exists easily/quickly within Microsub (yet?).
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Ruxton
chrisaldrich: not in microsub spec, but all the tooling is there across indieweb. Every item in that response is just a h-feed
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Ruxton
anyone out there POSSE to reddit?
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chrisaldrich
What is Reddit?
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Loqi
Reddit is a link aggregator and bulletin board site where community members may submit links and text posts, vote on the submitted entries, and post comments on them https://indieweb.org/Reddit
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chrisaldrich
I recall a note on that page about it not being very POSSE friendly.
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Ruxton
yeah starting conversations with links from your site is a no-no
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Ruxton
but I was thinking more like insta, where reddit has no concept of where else it's syndicated, just push stuff into reddt as normal, have syndication link on site
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chrisaldrich
There is an open issue on /Bridgy for supporting backfeed from Reddit: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/505
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Loqi
[singpolyma] #505 Reddit: publish comments and votes, backfeed replies
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@tomcoates
A few quick things I've learned recently from interviewing people about social media, which has been super interesting.
(twitter.com/_/status/1120529046163664897)
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://twitter.com/tomcoates/status/1120529046163664897 and thread unrolled: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1120529046163664897.html" to the "See Also" section of /social_media https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=59702&oldid=59661
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jamietanna|wwwjv
Morning IndieWeb!
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sknebel
Reddit also has posting to your profile now! I think [Rose] wanted to syndicate there
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sknebel
Good morning!
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Loqi
guten morgen
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat
!tell dmitshur re: owning subscriptions. I follow basically everything through RSS outside of the silos, and then manually follow things within the silos if I want to boost the creator (e.g. YT channels get judged by subscribers, so I make sure to subscribe), but that is just for show
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Super late at night but I just published a IndieAuth library for Ueberauth! Now I can drop authentication using one’s site super easily (less than ~25 lines of code). I have a mirror of the code ..." https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/62e01ea2-ae86-41b4-a2f4-6fee75d37cc9
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[Rose]
I do want to syndicate there!
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Ruxton
I do not want to syndicate here, I do not want to syndicate there, I do not want to syndicate anywhere :P
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Zegnat
Enjoy, but syndicate responsibly. (To paraphrase a Dutch alcohol disclaimer.)
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Jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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petermolnar
silo-semi-quits
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[frank]
I started my list of the things I would like to do on the second day of IWC Utrecht. Sorry [Rose], you're on my list. We nééd to talk automation and how to make publishing bookmarks etc to my blog easier 🙂 https://diggingthedigital.com/wat-wil-ik-doen-op-indiewebcamp-utrecht/
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Loqi
yay!
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GWG
So much to do and so little time
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Jeremycherfas
!tell [frank] I'm also into bookmarking and how to make it easier.
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[Rose]
Alright, well I can help with a Shortcuts solution. If you let me know what you want to produce (Pinboard, WordPress, MicroPub), I can do some prep
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gRegorLove
good morning, indieweb
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sknebel
good morning gRegorLove!
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[frank]
[jeremycherfas] ++
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Loqi
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[tantek]
Just released with plenty indieweb relevant bits: https://internethealthreport.org/2019/
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Zegnat
!tell Jeena,voxpelli If you needed a reason to visit Åmål, and want to help kickstart IndieWeb in Sweden again, there is this thing we are trying to plan: https://indieweb.org/2019/Planning#Remote_Viewing_Party !
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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