#indieweb 2019-04-25

2019-04-25 UTC
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sknebel Good morning!
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Loqi good morning
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[frank] It’s always good to have Aral on Twitter... https://twitter.com/aral/status/1121304152125190144?s=21
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Zegnat I have a lot of thoughts about that one tweet...
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[jgmac1106] [frank] funny thing is Frank this the weakest of the health reports... Not really a report but a collection of blog posts more curation rather than original research
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[jgmac1106] MoFo used to have top notch researchers on staff... My guess they got culled like every one
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[jgmac1106] And it's is more like 93% funded through Google agreement... There is some donations and soft money
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Jeena Zegnat, I've never been to Åmål but I should, and it's not that far actually. Do you already have a date?
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Loqi Jeena: Zegnat left you a message 3 weeks, 5 days ago: Do we need to do another IndieWeb podcast episode, one year after? :P
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Loqi Jeena: Jeremycherfas left you a message 3 weeks, 5 days ago: You should talk about readers.
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Loqi Jeena: Zegnat left you a message 14 hours, 16 minutes ago: If you needed a reason to visit Åmål, and want to help kickstart IndieWeb in Sweden again, there is this thing we are trying to plan: https://indieweb.org/2019/Planning#Remote_Viewing_Party !
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Zegnat Jeena: yes! June 29-30. It is the Portland weekend (therefor: remote viewing party)
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Zegnat I will try and get the schedule and all information launched next week, which should mean we can start accepting signups next week too.
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Zegnat Venue capacity, I believe, is around 80 people, so no rush ;)
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[jgmac1106] still debating Åmål over Portland weird to skip the main event for a viewing party?
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[Rose] I would say so, especially considering that we'll be watching in the middle of the night
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Jeena ok cool!
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Jeena about the revisited podcast, Zegnat, perhaps we could do it during the same time, I've been a bit absent from the community so I'm not having much input right now, but after a weekend like that I think I'd would at least have good questions ;)
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Zegnat [jgmac1106]: I am not sure what our facilities will be like for remote participation on the remote event, haha, but if you want to fly over you are of course more than welcome
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[jgmac1106] yeah said in jest, kind of...maybe...need to do my travel for summit Monday
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petermolnar https://newrepublic.com/article/117608/chinese-number-websites-secret-meaning-urls - anyone has number urls here?
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Zegnat Mine are hex numbers
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petermolnar tempting to set up a redirect url with my phone number
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petermolnar Zegnat: after a colleague made me realize I'm 0x22 years old I like hex better, than dec
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cweiske use base 26, and you're 18!
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Zegnat Another website feature for my wishlist: dynamically pick the base so my age looks constant
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petermolnar cweiske: nah,18 was not that much fun.
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petermolnar Zegnat: !!! I love that idea :D
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Seven Steps to #ProSocialWeb" https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/04/25/seven-steps-to-prosocialweb
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[josh_nadas] Hi - I am new. Like brand new. But I am excited to get started!
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[Rose] Welcome!
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[Rose] What brings you to the indieweb?
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Jeremycherfas Hello [josh_nadas]
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[chrisaldrich] Good morning indieweb!
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gRegorLove_ o/ [chrisaldrich]
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Mikaela Have you heard of https://onlinedomain.com/2019/03/19/domain-name-news/this-means-war-icann-proposes-lifting-price-cap-provisions-on-org-and-info-domains/ ?
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aaronpk i just got an email from namecheap about that
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Mikaela I heard of it from another Namecheap customer, I am on Gandi who hasn't notified me of it yet and I am a bit worried on if mikaela.info is going to turn too expensive as it's on my Finnish electronical ID which would cost around 60 € to renew
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Mikaela and the newer version of that card removes a feature I like having
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gRegorLove Huh, I didn't realize there were caps, but that makes sense the discrepancy between those and some of the new tlds
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gRegorLove Open for comments until April 29, so just a few more days: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/org-renewal-2019-03-18-en
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[josh_nadas] I am here for a couple of reasons, the first is I want a place for my amateur photography that I own and syndicate. I think doing that will improve my web skills a bit. Also, I think the idea of this project is super cool.
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[Rose] Awesome!
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gRegorLove Welcome, [josh_nadas]
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[josh_nadas] Thanks for the welcomes
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gRegorLove Do you have a site currently?
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[josh_nadas] I got set up on blogger: photos.nadas.me
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[josh_nadas] I need to set up my H card next, so I need to dig into that documentation
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[josh_nadas] My photo blog is called one photo short
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[josh_nadas] But mostly I wanted to get the web records in place ect
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[Rose] I believe [jgmac1106] was experimenting with IndieWebifying blogger at some point.
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gRegorLove What is Blogger?
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Loqi Blogger is a blog content hosting silo owned by Google https://indieweb.org/Blogger
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[Rose] Also, I love your cat.
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[josh_nadas] Ha. That cat is google stock art. I am an amateur so I favored free hosting. I figured since it was on the indie web page it was a reasonable place to start
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[josh_nadas] Would others recommend a different web hosting platform?
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[josh_nadas] Micro.blog was also an option
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gRegorLove [josh_nadas], Note this issue with Blogger templates which makes things difficult with h-card and other microformats: https://indieweb.org/Blogger#Issues
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gRegorLove micro.blog is a popular option and very indieweb-friendly
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gRegorLove What is CMS?
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Loqi A content management system (often abbreviated as CMS) is software used to create, enter, edit, update, delete content on websites; some CMSs are used for IndieWeb sites, see the tables on this page for current usage https://indieweb.org/CMS
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gRegorLove Some more options in the Examples section on that page^
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Mikaela I have heard WriteFreely and Plume recommended
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Mikaela but not within Indieweb context though
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[josh_nadas] Well - before I commit to blogger I will investigate
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[josh_nadas] I would like to follow the indie web path here
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gRegorLove What is plurality?
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Loqi Encouraging a plurality of projects with a self-motivated incentive to interoperate is a key principle of the indie web, in contrast to monoculture efforts which require or even encourage everyone to install the same software, or use the same online service, in order to interoperate https://indieweb.org/plurality
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gRegorLove One of the features of the indieweb community is there isn't a one-true-path, so don't worry too much about that :) There's tradeoffs with different platforms or CMS
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gRegorLove We try to use small building blocks that can be implemented on a variety of sites, avoiding /monoculture
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snarfed gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 20 karma in this channel over the last year (87 in all channels)
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snarfed [josh_nadas]: https://indieweb.org/web_hosting
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[josh_nadas] Thanks, all. As a hobbyist free is a little bit important
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[Rose] WordPress might also be an option, it can be hosted on very affordable plans and there's a #wordpress indieweb channel.
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gRegorLove Understandable. Having your domain is a great first step; makes it easier to migrate your content elsewhere in the future.
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snarfed [josh_nadas]: understood! you definitely shouldn't have to spend a ton of money. you might consider a small amount though. eg micro.blog is $5/mo, but worth it. paying often gets you better support, longevity, freedom from ads/tracking (if you care), etc
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[josh_nadas] I DO care about that. I will take a look.
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[tantek] I've been curious about that - is there an annual discount if you pay for a whole year of micro.blog?
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aaronpk pretty sure lots of people have asked him for annual billing even without a discount
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[tantek] It's a frequent option in monthly services (e.g. gym memberships)
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[schmarty] annual billing is available now for micro.blog!
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aaronpk ooh excellent
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[schmarty] oh no did i say a lie? i could swear i heard manton say that on a podcast.
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[tantek] microblog++
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Loqi microblog has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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[schmarty] looking
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[tantek] Wow: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/04/24/facebook-while-black-zucked-users-say-they-get-blocked-racism-discussion/2859593002/
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[eddie] Yes it is
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[eddie] and you get two free months if you pay annually
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[schmarty] eddie: i thought i remembered that, haha, but didn't see it mentioned as an option on the Plans page.
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[tantek] eddie++ yes that's the typical annual vs monthly discount that I've seen.
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Loqi eddie has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (95 in all channels)
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[tantek] prepaid annual cost = 10 x monthly cost
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[eddie] Yep
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[eddie] [schmarty] Yeah I'm not sure of the exact steps, but they talked about it in-depth on CoreInt
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[Rose] I wanted the annual membership because the fees on my $2/month plan were about $2/month, which wasn't fun
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[schmarty] ah, it was CoreInt.
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gRegorLove If you have Flickr, you can now migrate your login away from a Yahoo account: https://twitter.com/DonMacAskill/status/1121298634593595392
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@DonMacAskill I believe this is now open to 100% of @Flickr members. Thanks for your patience. Sorry it took longer than we thought, but hopefully well worth the wait. More improvements coming. https://twitter.com/stshank/status/1121210213636292609 (twitter.com/_/status/1121298634593595392)
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aaronpk yessss
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aaronpk finally can get rid of my yahoo email address
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gRegorLove It's not super obvious, after logging in and going to Account > Settings there's a notification at the top with a link to https://identity.flickr.com/migration
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aaronpk https://i.imgur.com/S7GRWvp.png 🎉
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[tantek] wow that's notable!
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[tantek] what is Flickr
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Loqi Flickr is a photo and video hosting silo founded in 2004 https://indieweb.org/Flickr
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[tantek] what is SmugMug
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Loqi SmugMug is a privately held paid subscription photo hosting silo founded in 2002 that acquired Flickr from Oath in 2018 https://indieweb.org/SmugMug
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gRegorLove Poking around my Yahoo account I found I'm still a member in 3 groups. I totally forgot about Yahoo Groups
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[frank] Made quite some edits on the /2019/Utrecht page for IWC. Please add your name if you plan to attend and you want to join for fridaynight dinner
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[Rose] Thanks for adding me!
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dietricha Lots of y'all might have already known about this, but I just found the r/selfhosted community: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/
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dietricha 44k people!
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aaronpk [frank]++
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Loqi [frank] has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (17 in all channels)
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[tantek] heya dietricha!
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[tantek] what is selfhosted
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "selfhosted" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "selfhosted is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] hmm
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[tantek] !tell dietricha you around Portland June 29-30? Would love to have you join us again! https://2019.indieweb.org/summit
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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[manton] [schmarty] I haven't linked to the yearly plans yet, but need to soon... I'm making a couple improvements first. I can update subscriptions manually for people and I also blogged a link for people to switch to yearly.
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[schmarty] [manton]: that makes sense! Thanks!! Recurring billing is frustrating stuff.
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dietricha [tantek]: howdy! i'll be in a far away country during summit this year :(
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Loqi dietricha: [tantek] left you a message 16 minutes ago: you around Portland June 29-30? Would love to have you join us again! https://2019.indieweb.org/summit
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dietricha @Loqi r/selfhosted is a large Reddit community to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self hosted without giving up privacy or locking you into a service you don't control.
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Loqi r/selfhosted is a large reddit community to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self hosted without giving up privacy
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[manton] [schmarty] I love Stripe, but managing a plan with potentially multiple, different billing periods is hard. My first-pass implementation was not great and I want to rewrite it. There's a surprising amount of complexity with all the Micro.blog plans that I'd also like to simplify.
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fleeky wat dis
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ketudb[m] What kinda reminder apps do people use? Obviously I want something with an API and a relatively degree of openness, eventually I want integration with HomeAssistant/Mycroft but for the moment mobile & web apps would be handy.
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[schmarty] [manton] we are dealing with similar issues at Adafruit without our IO service. Pro-level subscriptions at monthly and yearly billing, plus one-time purchases for extra request limits.
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[tantek] what is a reminder?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reminder" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "reminder is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich UI mistake of the year? https://boffosocko.com/2019/04/25/55750077/
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chrisaldrich What are tweetstorms?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tweetstorms" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "tweetstorms is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove What is tweetstorm
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Loqi tweetstorm is a series of tweets, each replying to the previous, often each numbered so the sequence is clear, as a method of expressing a longer series of related thoughts as a single thread on Twitter https://indieweb.org/tweetstorm
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gRegorLove tweetstorms is /tweetstorm
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Loqi ok
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chrisaldrich thx gRegorLove
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gRegorLove and that UI, yikes. Haha
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chrisaldrich Does anyone else have this new desktop Twitter UI? Almost looks like they're trying to replace the Medium UI or WordPress' Gutenberg blocks? ;)
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gRegorLove Yeah, I have it.
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gRegorLove I like the dark mode and the text size options. Generally it matches the app more now.
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[tantek] Anybody here use WhatsApp? https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1121083347785195522
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@BenjaminNorton WhatsApp, which is owned by Facebook, just shut down the massive channel used by Spain's independent leftist political party Podemos. And it did this just days before the general election This is actual, extreme election meddling by a foreign corporation QT [@juanmalpr] 🚨INCREIBLE @WhatsApp acaba de cerrarnos la cuenta de PODEMOS mediante la que nos comunicábamos con todas las personas que nos han solicitado hacerlo a través de ese canal. Justo esta noche, la última semana de campaña, cuando la gente decide el voto. 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳 (twitter.com/_/status/1121083347785195522)
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[jgmac1106] I think a Micropub reminder client would be awesome. Publish a post and then publish a reply post as a reminder after X minutes
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chrisaldrich I suppose that UI tweak could now potentially make Twitter a full fledged blogging platform now. If only they'd just give you one text box and then break it up for you automatically.