#indieweb 2019-05-16

2019-05-16 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] sorry, running a few minutes late vHWC starting momentarily...
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[chrisaldrich] Here's the link to the Hangout: https://hangouts.google.com/call/u2lzmF040fc-mOepgfUOAEEE
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[chrisaldrich] or has gRegorLove beat me to it???
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gRegorLove I have :) It's in meta
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gRegorLove GWG and I are on
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gRegorLove We're on https://hangouts.google.com/call/MANr-n5uNBrCMDXV9g3WAEEE
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[Rose] crosses fingers and tries to own her first reply
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[Rose] IT WORKED!
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[Rose] Pretty much perfectly.
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aaronpk Yay!
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Loqi 😊
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[Rose] Just need to fix a WordPress oddity, and find a bookmarklet I know I previously had
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[Rose] Are people getting replies to their things into Aperture and if so, how?
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aaronpk I know you don't, but if you use webmention.io, it has a feed of your mentions you can add to aperture.
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aaronpk Aperture also has "api keys" that you can use to push messages into channels. That's actually how my site is set up, where my site can push notifications into aperture that way.
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aaronpk Doesn't Wordpress have a comments feed that shows all comments across the site? You could subscribe to that
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[Rose] It does have a comments feed.
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[Rose] I just wonder if replies to those comments will get syndicated back out correctly.
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[Rose] To start with I would like to capture any webmentions from micro.blog, which feels like it should be doable.
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[Rose] (Though coming from elsewhere should be done too, but most come from micro.blog)
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aaronpk Ah yeah it depends on what Wordpress puts as the url of the comments, which i suspect is not the right url
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[Rose] Probably not. But most of my comments are actually on micro.blog or Twitter anyway.
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[Rose] Hah, just owned a micro.blog reply! This is great!
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[frank] That's great Rose! I also figured out how microblog comments get back to my blog. So now I have Aaron replying through microblog on my site on an Instagram photo. What walled gardens?
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[Rose] Hehe
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb from my desktop
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jgmac1106 good morning
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[Rose] Would anyone else be interested in "OwnYourTripit"?
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[Rose] I plan to make it for myself, but this might be useful for others too
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jgmac1106 I don’t TripIt..but my travel down to just 1-2 times a year lately
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jgmac1106 but folks would dig it, been working on GPSlogger and trying to figure out how to do Trip posts
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jgmac1106 https://events.mozilla.org/becomeabetatestingbughunter
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[calumryan] https://twitter.com/ohhelloana/status/1128766925050454017
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[calumryan] I think all the regulars who attend HWC London are now able to send webmentions to RSVP 😀
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Zegnat That’s a cool milestone, [calumryan]!
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doubleloop [jgmac1106] I'd like to go to Ghana
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[jgmac1106] @doubleloop put any =1/-1/0 on the planning page
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[jgmac1106] leaning more to early 2020 rather than Dec 19 right now
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[tantek] just liked like ~47 things in a row and cranked his # feed / stream items up to 64
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[jgmac1106] <-- hasn't opened his reader since before Düsseldorf, excited to see what awaits
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Zegnat just saw the flood of tantek’s likes appear in his reader
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[tantek] boarded my flight to SFO!
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GWG No Utrecht for you, [tantek]?
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[schmarty] interesting thread here about not just content ownership and publishing but about media, hosting, and computation in general: https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1129050444964159490
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cambridgeport90 Hi.
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cambridgeport90 What is everyone up to today?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "everyone up to today" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "everyone up to today is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[manton] [schmarty] I had trouble following the WordPress complaints in that Twitter thread... Ironically, maybe it should've been a blog post. 🙂
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[jgmac1106] Hello, running around all day in terms of IndieWeb.. Just trying to blog about running around
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[schmarty] [manton] 😆
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sknebel manton++
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[schmarty] it really goes from sounding IndieWeb to sounding like defending prose against a War on Reading
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[manton] I don't often see WordPress listed on the "wrong side", so I wanted to understand his point, but some ideas are difficult to get across clearly in tweet form.
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[schmarty] i don't think it's quite the same but it sounds inline with a complaint i've heard from GWG and others that WordPress is moving further from "blogging" with each release in favor of trying to be a more generic CMS, maybe a flashier one.
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[jgmac1106] He also meant the WordPress.com ad network.
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[jgmac1106] Jetpack keeps a shadow profile like you and sells to third party ad networks
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[jgmac1106] But the turn away from blogging to images...a bit biased in perspective but maybe that is where humanity is heading. Words only dominant last 2-3 hundred years
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GWG My complaint is a business focus and an ignoring of other use cases
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[Rose] Is there a way to subscribe to a feed that requires authentication with a reader?
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sknebel [Rose]: define "requires authentication"?
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sknebel or rather: do you have a specific feed already, or is it a general question?
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[Rose] In this case, it's a specific feed (mentions to me on micro.blog), which requires an authentication header
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Zegnat Then probably no. Unless it is HTTP Basic Auth, as I think some readers support that if you put it in the URL
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106], Wow, we should document that shadow profile thing
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gRegorLove I don't think I see it on /WordPress.com
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[Rose] Well for the time being I'm building a Zapier zap to handle it, because anyone can see these mentions anyway
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sknebel since you run your own reader (right?), you could probably relatively easily make a locally running "proxy" - a php file that just your reader can access and that just fetches the feed and returns it?
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[Rose] I definitely could, but it's nearly 10pm and I haven't packed for tomorrow yet 😛
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sknebel you could sunday morning :D
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[Rose] I can! But I have an interim solution too
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[Rose] I also want to get mentions on Twitter into a feed.
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Zegnat I have done auth proxies before, so if that is a Sunday project, poke me for questions ;)
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gRegorLove I think granary can give you an @mention Twitter feed
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[Rose] Zegnat, you may regret that statement 😛
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[Rose] I should find out how IndiePaper puts stuff into the notifications channel in Aperture... That would be the smart thing to do
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sknebel micropub
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[Rose] I thought so. I should do that instead of translating to an RSS feed
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snarfed gRegorLove: it actually can't, at least not the service, but it's a good feature request. https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/153
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Loqi [skpy] #153 Twitter User Mentions feed
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[Rose] Well, Granary can create a feed from a search!
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snarfed oh true!
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[Rose] And now I have Zapier polling my micro.blog mentions feed, with auth, and posting it via micro.pub
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[Rose] So between that, and a few granary feeds, I've got a lot of my mentions in my reader now
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[manton] Speaking of Micro.blog and the IndieWeb... I launched a feature today to make it easier to follow blogs on Micro.blog even if the author has not registered on Micro.blog. Basically turns Micro.blog into a more general-purpose feed reader, with some limitations. https://www.manton.org/2019/05/16/following-other-blogs.html
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[Rose] Ooh, nice!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "On Thu, 16 May 2019 21:09:43 BST I bookmarked https://gist.github.com/lizthegrey/9c21673f33186a9cc775464afbdce820. This is a great writeup about how to harden your SSH setup using 2-factor ..." https://gist.github.com/lizthegrey/9c21673f33186a9cc775464afbdce820 (from https://www.jvt.me/bookmarks/06392958-d830-42c8-8f8b-3ae3e8d4d3e1/)
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Zegnat [manton]++ that sounds like an amazing feature!
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[frank] [manton]++
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[frank] Just testing this and it works for quite a few sites 🙂 It autodetects RSS? But for some reason it doesn't catch it all the time?
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cambridgeport90 I still have to set up all my feeds and move them to places like Micro.blog.
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aaronpk [Rose]++ awesome
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[manton] [frank] I've noticed a couple times it doesn't find the RSS feed too. If you have an example site, let me know and I'll take a closer look so I can improve the auto-detection.
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[frank] Thanks [manton]. One of the sites I checked was onedaycompany.nl. It doesn’t get found. But most of the others I checked do so great work!
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[manton] Thanks!
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[manton] Looks like that redirects to HTTPS and then redirects to www... Micro.blog doesn't follow more than a couple redirects, so I wonder if it's giving up too early. I'll take a closer look.
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GWG [manton]: I saw that issue pop up on the jsonfeed plugin. I will take care of it
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[cleverdevil] Very exciting addition, @manton! What a great idea.
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[cleverdevil] Before you know it, Micro.blog will be a full-featured Microsub service ;)
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[manton] It's getting there! I plan to add search/follow to Micro.blog's Microsub implementation, but I wasn't sure if that was supported everywhere. Looks like it's in Together but not Monocle, right?
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[cleverdevil] It is in Together, and last I checked not in Monocle (though it is in Aperture’s console).
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[manton] Got it, thanks.
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[cleverdevil] [manton] with this new feature, can Micro.blog users reply to a domain and have it send a webmention?
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[manton] [cleverdevil] Yes. However, I noticed a bug with that today when the username was at the beginning of a post. I'm working on a fix.
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[manton] It is supposed to allow, e.g. "@cleverdevil.io Hello!" to send the Webmention.
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[cleverdevil] Very cool. For externally hosted users, I wonder if it might be good for you to allow people to just “claim” their domain on the platform, and have that end up being their username.
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[manton] Absolutely. I think if your Micro.blog account has already verified that domain name (with a rel link) then it should automatically merge them, sort of. But it doesn't do that yet.
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[manton] So @cleverdevil.io would just become an alias for your Micro.blog username, and could be used interchangeably.
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