#indieweb 2019-05-17

2019-05-17 UTC
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[jgmac1106] !tell gRegorove not seeing it in ToS or privacy policy now, looks like it got a post GDPR rewrite
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] nopw says "website are synced with our servers" wchich does sound better then we build a "shadow copy of your site" which it used to say
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[jgmac1106] found the older language, think it was bad copy more than intention...https://chat.indieweb.org/wordpress/2018-06-19/1529429597000900
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Loqi [[jgmac1106]] "As part of the required connection to WordPress.com, Jetpack syncs your site’s data to a shadow site on the WordPress.com servers." I mean I trust automatic and all but a "shadow site" I just want the syndication features, but I think I trust Auto...
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Ruxton Oh yay, the great medium has pay wall now? and it's on by default? :/
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Loqi 😄
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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[frank] Good morning IndieWeb! First things first, offloaded my rambling wake-up brain with a list of “stuff to bring with me to IWC that I might otherwise forget because it’s so trivial”
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[frank] I look forward to see some of you in person again tonight!
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[frank] As in: not everybody on these channels will be there and I love to see all those that will.
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[frank] I need coffee
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[Rose] Coffee sounds good!
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[Rose] I have stickers, and my toothbrush.
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[frank] Don't mix them up
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[Rose] I won't, I also have the recording equipment. Plus my own name stickers to label my stuff
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[Rose] Mini project for today: get live location sharing onto my website, I just updated compass!
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[Rose] And I can now share my location, no idea how long it's sharing for, but progress!
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[Rose] Infinity, I should probably fix that
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jeremycherfas Yesterday I learned that What’s App has a time limited share my location live feature that it would be fun to replicate.
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Ruxton jeremycherfas: i'm pretty sure that just got implemented a few days ago into Compass and is what Rose was referring to
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Ruxton jeremycherfas: https://github.com/aaronpk/Compass/commit/6a0eb8909c3d341ed420cc6157759b3a6037e0be
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[Rose] Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to
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[Rose] Aaron built it last Sunday, it's only in the prototype stages, but I'm going to be using it anyway 😄
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jeremycherfas I got that, and I was being personal about it, wanting to be able to replicate it myself, on my site. Compass could well be my hackday work.
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Ruxton ahhh
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[Rose] I have a shortcut to tell compass to start sharing data ;)
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cweiske Interesting approach to blog post comments: "Start a discussion in my public inbox by sending an email to ~sircmpwn/public-inbox@lists.sr.ht"
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cweiske https://drewdevault.com//2019/05/15/Status-update-May-2019.html
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cweiske with a link to a public mailing list that is used for blog post comments
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Ruxton O_O
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[Zegnat] That email address is also a good test for your client. I can totally see some not supporting tildes and slashes in email
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Ruxton they should, it's in spec
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Ruxton my biggest annoyance is servers that have plussing turned off :(
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cweiske my biggest annoyance is input email validators that do not allow +
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Ruxton I sympathise wth that as a + user, but as a manager of communities, you either lock it out, or make sure to validate emails without it (so ruxton+dog is the as ruxton+err) otherwise people multi-account too easily
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[Zegnat] Unless you also maintain a block list of free email forwarder domains, I am really not sure limiting on + would ever keep actual bad actors out. One email one person methodology is simply not a good concept, imo.
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cweiske since I run my own mail server, I can also use catchall to get unlimited addresses that look non-related
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cweiske preventing use of + is thus nonsense
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[frank] What is the rationale to turn off plussing in email?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rationale to turn off plussing in email" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "rationale to turn off plussing in email is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[Zegnat] I think something like this: The assumption that one person only uses one email address, therefor you can make sure a single person only gets a single account on your service by requesting unique addresses. Then Google added plus labels and everyone suddenly had unlimited addresses breaking the earlier assumptions of service providers.
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[frank] Ha. So with my own domain(s) I have virtually unlimited addresses because of the catch-all. But even Gmail works with variations like frank.meeuwsen@gmail or fr.ankmeeuwsen@gmail or put that dot anywhere... Old assumptions from service providers that don't work anymore in the internet of today.
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Zegnat Ha, here is one who does not support + labels: the captive portal I have to login to for free airport wifi!
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[jgmac1106] a lot of freemium services do not support +, when I taught and kids didn't have email addresses I made 100s of + accounts off my email
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[Rose] Does anyone have experience with moveabletype? I'm installing it on a subdomain out of curiousity, but the lack of English documentation is driving me up a wall.
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[jgmac1106] yes this: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/technology/personaltech/music-streaming-cd.html why aren't more people into owning your media rather than renting it?
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[jgmac1106] foget about the fact that folks stopped caring about quality pumping their low bit rate stream thoruh their low quality wireless bluetooth 400 headphones
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steven[m]3 Hi IndieWeb. I'm getting my blog up and running and don't want Google scraping it. Would installing a robots.txt file break any of the features I want from the IndieWeb?
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sknebel I don't think any tools consider it
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sknebel You can also make a Google specific rule in it
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cweiske better make a google specific rule. most crawlers respect robots.txt, including my own indie search engine
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steven[m]3 Thanks. I'll consider a Google specific rule.
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Webrocker Hello IndieWeb :-)
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GWG Hi
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Webrocker Is Matthias @pfefferle and Tobias @tobiastom still around?
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sebsel Good morning :)
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Webrocker Trying to debug a webmention hickup and by coincidence both Matthias and Tobias are exactly the ones involved :-))
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[jgmac1106] @webrocker if it is a WordPress question check in that channel or you can ask in the dev channel, others can help
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tobiastom Webrocker: I am, but I fear I do not have much time today… :)
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GWG pfefferle was around earlier in the WordPress channel
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Webrocker ha :-) thx
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tobiastom I'll try to run the test suite on monday and see if it's my fault. It could very well be. :)
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Webrocker /tobiastom ok, so lets do this next week :-)
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tobiastom 🤗
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[jgmac1106] !tell jacky I know you are into events and the fediverse saw this in the Mozillian Telegram channel: https://joinmobilizon.org/en/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] Good morning [Juha_Liikala]
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[Juha_Liikala] Hi [jgmac1106]! Indieweb newbie here 😄
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jgmac1106 we all are in our new way, glad you found us
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jgmac1106 own* way
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Creating a /now page" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/05/17/now/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Back from the dead" https://bastianallgeier.com/notes/back-from-the-dead (from https://aaronparecki.com/2019/05/17/5/)
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sebsel no more webmentions on bastianallgeier.com tho, sadly.
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aaronpk baby steps hehe
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sebsel understands GWG's devotion for users of his plugins now
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sebsel it's sad when they leave
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sebsel although Bastian probably was never on my fork
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sebsel yes! baby steps!
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tobiastom only because you don't see webventions, it does not mean they are not supported. :)
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[Rose] But is there a webmention endpoint?
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sebsel nope
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[Rose] Then they're not supported ;)
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[Rose] At least receiving them isn't.
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sebsel so you are completely right tobiastom :) but, I just checked, and no, the answer is still no
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tobiastom I fear that they would not be there, but I just wanted to mention my use case. :)
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tobiastom feared.
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[Rose] The IndieWeb way: I promised Jeremy Keith to let him know our dinner plans for tonight. Didn't exchange contact info. So I just sent him a webmention and am hoping for the best 😂
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jeremycherfas !tell [Rose] I would hope he also got the email from [Tonz] or might check /2019/Utrecht
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[Zegnat] Surely someone must have adactios contact info?
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sebsel hm, I see some Instagram users switch their usernames, which is a thing you can do.
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sebsel They then have all their followers still, which is a thing you can’t do on the IndieWeb
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sebsel I guess you can 301
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[Zegnat] What is migrate?
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GWG sebsel, you do?
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Loqi migration in the context of the indieweb refers to the process of moving your indieweb site from any one or more of one CMS / web host / DNS provider / URL design / domain name to another https://indieweb.org/migrate
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[Zegnat] It is interesting, Instagram has basically the opposite name policy to Facebook.
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snarfed ugh, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/766
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Loqi [snarfed] #766 handle when usernames change
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gRegorLove Howdy, indieweb
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Dan[m] \hello
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[cleverdevil] [tantek]++ for an amazing talk! Just watched it over lunch and shared with some coworkers afterward. Inspiring :)
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[cleverdevil] (Also, hey there IndieWeb! 👋)
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jacky jgmac1106[m]: yeah re: events, I've been reviewing some of their stuff
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Loqi jacky: [jgmac1106] left you a message 8 hours, 41 minutes ago: I know you are into events and the fediverse saw this in the Mozillian Telegram channel: https://joinmobilizon.org/en/
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[tantek] thanks [cleverdevil]!
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[tantek] Webrocker++ welcome back!
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[tantek] [jgmac1106]++ great article about CDs
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[tantek] what is music
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Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track, including concert recordings or DJ sets) or podcast that you have listened to https://indieweb.org/music
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[tantek] music << 2019-05-15 NYT: [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/technology/personaltech/music-streaming-cd.html Why Play a Music CD? ‘No Ads, No Privacy Terrors, No Algorithms’]
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-05-15 NYT: [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/technology/personaltech/music-streaming-cd.html Why Play a Music CD? ‘No Ads, No Privacy Terrors, No Algorithms’]" to the "See Also" section of /scrobble https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61389&oldid=58864
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gRegorLove I still have a good sized CD collection I'd like to rip to FLAC
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[tantek] from an indieweb perspective, I'd like to be able to stream my existing ripped music from my home server to wherever I happen to be on demand
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gRegorLove Yeah, that would be great
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[kiai] Hello indieweb. Been a long time.
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[kiai] I have CDs that I made I want to get rid of. Want one? [gRegorLove] I’ll mail you one. 😊
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[grantcodes] tantek: Plex is one of the best options out there!
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[grantcodes] Will do exactly what you want and a whole lot more
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[grantcodes] What is Plex?
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Loqi Plex is a platform for indexing, converting, playing, sharing, and streaming your media from local or cloud storage https://indieweb.org/Plex