#indieweb 2019-05-18

2019-05-18 UTC
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[cleverdevil] Finally booked for IndieWeb Summit!
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[cleverdevil] \o/
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[cleverdevil] Flights and hotels DONE.
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[tantek] \o/
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[schmarty] I am so excited for summit! I have all the FOMOs for all these excellent EU camps!
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GWG [schmarty]: We should plan an excellent US camp
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[schmarty] We should!
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GWG [schmarty]: How do we start?
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chrisaldrich GWG, schmarty, perhaps we could begin sketching out some interesting new brainstorming sessions prior to camp?
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chrisaldrich GWG, I'm expecting something interesting from you on /discovery for your prediction that this is "The year of discovery."
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GWG chrisaldrich: How do I make it the year of discovery?
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chrisaldrich We've got to get a /discovery session going and put some interesting thought into how to do it....
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chrisaldrich Even by parsing through the likes in one's reader to surface articles with multiples so that one's reader will say "You might like...."
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chrisaldrich What is Nuzzel?
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Loqi Nuzzel is a discovery-based service that surfaces articles and news based upon how many of your contacts on silos like Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn link to or interact with sources on those services https://indieweb.org/Nuzzel
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chrisaldrich How could we build an indieweb version of ^^ for example?
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jacky that's a great idea chrisaldrich
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GWG We haven't done those proposed sessions we discussed post IWC Online
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chrisaldrich Or if a reader could retroactively parse a page a few days after publishing to find those with multiple comments/likes/reposts/other reactions which might indicate a popular post/idea and then causing the reader to surface that as a recommended article
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chrisaldrich (especially when one has been away from their reader for a few days and just can't catch up on 100's of posts in their backlog)
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[cleverdevil] I’m pretty excited for Summit too :d
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[cleverdevil] Now I need to come up with a project to work on :D
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[frank] Goodmorning Indieweb!
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[frank] Waking up wáy too early to prepare for IWC Utrecht.
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chrisaldrich o/ [frank]
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GWG Good morning, [frank]
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chrisaldrich Of course I throw out the idea of/discovery and someone from Utrecht may "borrow" it and steal all of Summit's thunder... sshhhhh!
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chrisaldrich GWG, maybe even an indieweb verison of JetPack's Related Articles functionality could be cool...
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GWG Would make a great session
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chrisaldrich It's also the sort of topic that would make several great sessions....
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chrisaldrich I'm wondering what it would look like if some enterprising person ran indie map as an updating service that could be polled for data...
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GWG chrisaldrich: I suggested that for Vouch
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GWG A Vouch helper
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chrisaldrich Or if Aperture bulk aggregated feeds and posts to uncover the most popular things within the broader community?
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GWG So, either a SPOA or a SPOS?
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[tantek] Is anyone here following me via micro.blog (or Atom feed in a classic feed reader) and feels annoyed by the big streams of "like" posts?
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chrisaldrich tantek, I do wish they had more context, much like I wish that micro.blog better handled Post Kinds plugin data from WordPress.
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chrisaldrich It's not so much annoying as I tend to just gloss them over without clicking through.
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chrisaldrich I'm not sure what I've subscribed to in my more traditional reader, but I don't recall seeing any of your likes there...
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chrisaldrich I just looked up Dave Winer's newer (2016) Share Your OPML project which is an interest source of potential /discovery too....
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GWG I see them.
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[cleverdevil] [tantek] I stopped syndicating my “likes” to Micro.blog. Too noisy, IMO.
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[cleverdevil] I also don’t syndicate checking.
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[cleverdevil] I still syndicate bookmarks.
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[cleverdevil] Checkins
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[tantek] [cleverdevil] how do you change what gets syndicated to micro.blog?
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[cleverdevil] I have a custom JSON Feed just for Micro.blog.
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[Rose] I syndicate notes, articles and photos to micro.blog
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[tantek] you both have custom feeds just for micro.blog? I am using my same / only Atom feed
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GWG I debate about adding other types to go to micro.blog
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[cleverdevil] My new iPad has me wishing for a really great iOS app for publishing.
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[cleverdevil] I’m currently using Drafts to compose in Markdown, with a custom action to publish via Micropub to my site, and it works pretty well. I am using a Shortcut for uploading images to my media endpoint as well. But.... it could be better.
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[Rose] I previously used Blogo on iOS, but I really want MarsEdit for uIS
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[Rose] *iOS, sorry, fingers got mislocated
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[cleverdevil] MarsEdit for iOS would be lovely.
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[Rose] I also use Shortcuts for a lot of things, I suspect there will be a session on that today.
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[Rose] wrote a shortcut for replies
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[Rose] makes a quick enhancement o said shortcut
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[Michael_Beckwit mmm markdown
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[frank] [chrisaldrich] Also check Dave's http://feedbase.io/ for /Discovery
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[frank] We might do a brainstorm session today on IWC on this topic?
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GWG [frank]: Propose it. Last time, there was no remote session planning.
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[frank] Will do @GWG. We'll try to stream all sessions today but let's see how it goes...
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GWG I will be here remoting.
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[frank] GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 24 karma in this channel over the last year (171 in all channels)
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GWG If remoting falls off though, I may fall asleep.
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GWG Speaking of which, going to get in 2 hours more of rest before the event.
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[tantek] my Foursquare/Swarmapp account was erroneously deleted earlier today. Posted publicly https://tantek.com/2019/137/t1/foursquare-swarmapp-account-deleted
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Dear @4sqSupport, apparently my @Foursquare/@SwarmApp account (https://foursquare.com/t) was erroneously deleted earlier today! :( I sent email to support@ with only automated response. Please undelete my account! Thanks! @t cc: @dens @zeldman
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[tantek] and POSSEd: https://twitter.com/t/status/1129625919331504128
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@t Dear @4sqSupport, apparently my @Foursquare/@SwarmApp account (https://foursquare.com/t) was erroneously deleted earlier today! :( I sent email to support@ with only automated response. Please undelete my account! Thanks! @t cc: @dens @zeldman https://tantek.com/t50Z1 (twitter.com/_/status/1129625919331504128)
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[jeremycherfas] I too have custom feeds (easy from Known) to micro.blog.
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[jeremycherfas] Also, [sebsel] did a very cool discovery map at IWC Nürnberg.
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[Michael_Beckwit [tantek] and anyone else that does location posts…do y’all post them in real time or on some sort of delay for privacy sake
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[Michael_Beckwit “oh, they’re over in X place. their home is unoccupied!”
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[Michael_Beckwit or perhaps wait till you’re home to officially post them?
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb. Utrecht is waking up slowly :D
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chrisaldrich tantek, do you suppose it was deleted on purpose because they couldn't afford your monthly coin allowance? or the strain on their servers that your checkins cause? ;)
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[Michael_Beckwit probably his secret stash of awesomesauce
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] which is why I cc'd Zeldman since he checks-in / uploads photos as much as I do if not more most weeks
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[grantcodes] chrisaldrich: There is a tiny snippet about doing microsub discovery on /recommendation_engine#Brainstorming
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[grantcodes] But I actually don't think readers should actually collect popularity data by default - seems like it could open up potential privacy concerns
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[grantcodes] However since microsub is distributed, you could make an opt in middleware type service that can look at people's channels and see what is popular and post it to everyones microsub server. So it would even work across all readers
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[Zegnat] [Michael_Beckwith] we had a session about privacy implications on sharing things like that in Düsseldorf. Some people (Charlie, I think) only post check ins after the fact. Other people, like aaronpk, put the check ins up live and even display whether they are still there.
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[frank] We are running a bit late unfortunately with the start of IndieWebCamp Utrecht due to connection-challenges.
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[Rose] We are ready to keynote!
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Zegnat Hello IndieWeb online!
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[Rose] Can anyone hear us?
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Zegnat Utrecht is kicking off, as soon as tonz has retrieved everyone from the kitchen :D
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Zegnat frank kicks it off and welcomes us to the first IWC in the Netherlands
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Zegnat co-organiser tonz. On the way home from the Nürnberg IWC they decided this should also exist in the Netherlands
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Zegnat They wanted to spread the word about the indieweb as much as possible
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Zegnat Going through the /2019/Utrecht/Welcome script, as instructed by aaronpk :D
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Zegnat Showing /CoC and pointing out contacts: frank, ton, Rose, Martijn
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[Rose] Volunteering for notetaking is recommended, due to the possible threat of being voluntold 😛
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Zegnat Streams are set-up for two of the rooms.
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Zegnat Slight miscommunication lead to no name badges. But hopefully that’ll sort itself out
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[jgmac1106] Good look Utrecht
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[Rose] I need to photograph the crazy camera setup I have, Aaron will probably be very entertained 😆
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Zegnat Introduction of how the event is going to be run: 2 days, intros will be done first, then barcamp style schedule creation
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paulrobertlloyd I’m looking at the event page for /2019/Brighton and, seeing that airports you can fly into is mentioned, wondered if there should be a note suggesting participants avoid flying to the event and attend remotely instead. And in fact, shouldn’t this be a general rule for all IndieWeb camps? Given they are well suited to remote participation, and we are facing climate breakdown, flying should be actively discouraged. Thoughts?
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[Rose] Salad bar for lunch!
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[Rose] paul - that's a valid point, which we should document somewhere. I'm not sure where. But as an IWC is happening right now your message will almost certainly get hidden in chat history right now. Any chance you could post said thought again in a few hours? Then Tantek and Aaron might be awake and know where that can be documented 🙂
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[Rose] Keynote: what is the IndieWeb?
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paulrobertlloyd That’s a good idea @rose, will do!
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Zegnat Frank is going to introduce the IndieWeb in his Keynote :)
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Zegnat When Frank first learned about the IndieWeb he saw all these small things that together made something.
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sebsel Frank++ for the great 90s gifs
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Loqi Frank has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (23 in all channels)
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Zegnat And the more he looked at it, the more he thought they may make the future of the web together
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Zegnat Showing some old-school style websites on screen: previously people could just create a page and use it to connect
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Zegnat Then the big networks came and they “sort of took away the thunder” that used to be there
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Zegnat Oatmeal comic on how to reach people on the internet.
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Zegnat https://theoatmeal.com/comics/reaching_people
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[jgmac1106] Are there remote demos? Do I need to get dressed
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[Rose] Not sure if we will have time for remote intros
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Zegnat People pointed their followers at places like Facebook, “because it is easier”. But then it became hard to get the people back to their own websites
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[jgmac1106] ..sweet.
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Zegnat Showing https://dayssincelastfacebookscandal.com/
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Zegnat Facebook << https://dayssincelastfacebookscandal.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://dayssincelastfacebookscandal.com/" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61419&oldid=60948
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Zegnat Why don’t we go back to decentralising things? Email is still a good example!
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Zegnat So why can we not follow someone on Instagram with our LinkedIn account? Or message someone on Facebook from Twitter?
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Zegnat Because those big services want you to stay with them for everything. And that is where the IndieWeb comes in.
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[jgmac1106] [Paul_Robert Lloyd] Brighton is adjacent to Mozfest for which many already travel too... But a valid lou t. Maybe offer a carbon off set ticket price?
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Zegnat IndieWeb is a community that builds on top of a few simple standards. Showing 4 main /principles: owning you domain, using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site, and own your data.
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Zegnat IndieWeb is a people focused alternative to those big services
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] please take travel / carbon discussion to -> meta channel
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Zegnat Why have your own place? Because so many services have disappeared. Showing some examples (including Dutch Hyves). Link to /site-deaths
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[Rose] Welcome Djoerd!
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Zegnat Showing an hexagonal grid of different building blog logos now.
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Zegnat “Thank God” for the WordPress Indieweb Plugin Installer.
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Zegnat Now an average user can actually get started
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Zegnat Doing a quick “demo” for IndieAuth as an alternative to all those silo login buttons.
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Zegnat Showing Quill sign in flow with WordPress IndieAuth
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Zegnat Showing how OwnYourGram uses the MicroPub building blog to copy an Instagram post to his own blog
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Zegnat Showing how Webmentions have been used to get a comment from Frank to show on Tonz’s blog.
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Zegnat These Webmentions can also be used to get interactions from other places onto his website. Showing how tweet likes and retweets had gotten mirrored.
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[Rose] Important note: The promised Stroopwafels are delicious.
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[jgmac1106] <-- Google Stroopwafles
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Zegnat Going through a flow from just the other week: did an Instagram post, got mirrored to his site, then got syndicated to his micro.blog profile. aaronpk then responded on micro.blog, which was also mirrored back to his blog.
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Zegnat Mind blown
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Zegnat All of that just with WordPress plugins
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[Rose] frank++ for great GIF usage
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Loqi frank has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (24 in all channels)
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Zegnat Showing https://matthiasott.com/articles/into-the-personal-website-verse
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Zegnat Highly recommended reading
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Loqi Matthias Ott
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[Rose] And [Djoerd_Hiemstra]++ for installing the IndieWeb plugin already!
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sebsel [Djoerd_Hiemstra]++
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Zegnat Message of the Day: Find the others. How can this community connect with other initiatives like PublicSpaces and Solid? Can we indiefy other tech like voice, AI and VR? Reach out to other experts like UX, UI, Visual design, marketing.
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[Rose] sebsel++ for fixing my Karma-ing 😉
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Loqi sebsel has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (20 in all channels)
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[tantek] key aspect, don't lose focus of the need for self-autonomy of your own online identity, domain etc.
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Zegnat For this weekend: Have fun, find the others, ask, tell, share
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[tantek] while there are folks working on "community" or "small group" solutions, by the very fact that they ignore (neglect or perhaps even discourage) owning your own domain / identity, they may be a distraction from actually making indieweb progress on your own site etc.
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[tantek] on the contrary, if they can be treated like more /CMS options, then great, reach out accordingly and encourage them to support indieweb building blocks to interoperate with other indieweb CMSs listed there!
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[tantek] Zegnat, re: that "Message of the Day"
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sebsel (jeremycherfas is coining IWC as IndieWebCommunity here next to me)
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sebsel (has that been done before? I like it)
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[tantek] yes sebsel, in the past couple of weeks
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[tantek] https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-05-10/1557478317623400
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Loqi [[tantek]] Just use the IndieWebCamp logo. You can re-frame it as Indie Web Community if you like 🙂
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sebsel nice!
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[jgmac1106] I am currently dpi G a community approach in Ghana
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[jgmac1106] It's kinda a hybrid each tiny network gets a domain and people who show up to HWCs can get a subdomain
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[jgmac1106] ...only approach affordable to most participants
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Zegnat Starting with intros
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Zegnat diggingthedigital.com (frank) kicking us off again
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Zegnat Started with static site on jekyll, but found it hard to move forward on that, and switched to WordPress with the IndieWeb plugins
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Zegnat Feed is a jumbling mess of everything: likes, bookmarks, notes
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Zegnat Wants to find out how to make this feed better this weekend. Needs to make it easier for himself to share stuff
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Zegnat Next up [Rose]
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Zegnat rosemaryorchard.com - also using WordPress, since 6 weeks
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Zegnat Very proud of having a sidebar again, as it disappeared when switching theme
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[jgmac1106] We need to teach Frank about the post kind widget
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Zegnat [Rose] also has a feed with a lot of mixed stuff
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Zegnat next up: onedaycompany.nl ; Ewout
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Zegnat Since 2007 he has his own company, helping other business with online things. Cares about the state of the internet. Craves for the old 90s internet where he could find all sorts of people. So he does posts now about internet and what is happening currently.
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Zegnat Next up jeremycherfas http://jeremycherfas.net/
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Zegnat At his Third IndieWebCamp now
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Zegnat Runs his site on Grav
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Zegnat Has a separate Posts stream
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Zegnat And then a separate Stream page that shows his recently listened podcasts
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Zegnat Find there are too many manual steps involved in the workflow for e.g. location data, but would like to try more of that
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Zegnat next up sebsel
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Zegnat The top of his site already has a checkin and photo from the venue
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sebsel next up is Zegnat
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[Rose] Next up: Zegnat. Martijn.vanderven.se
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sebsel Showing his famous h-card
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[Rose] Demoing the weight graph.
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Zegnat Next up djoerdhiemstra.com ; has a domain and WordPress courtesy of his wife
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Zegnat Does a lot of research on independent search engines
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[Rose] Also wearing a Mastodon t-shirt!
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jgmac1106 djoerdhiemstra.com I am a a professer as well
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jgmac1106 What is education?
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Loqi IndieWeb for Education is the application of indieweb principles to one's personal site with a particular emphasis on use cases for education, pedagogy, research, academic samizdat, and collaboration https://indieweb.org/education
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Zegnat They tried to build a little search engine for sheet music: drsheetmusic.com ; connects about 50 other sheet music sources together
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jgmac1106 What is indiemap?
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Loqi indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 https://indieweb.org/indiemap
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jgmac1106 my random and uniformed thoughts on search: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/11/25/scoping-out-basics-of-indieweb-search
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Zegnat The search engine is open source and you can run it yourself with your own configuration to do search elsewhere
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Zegnat Next up: tonz
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Zegnat Starts with https://www.flickr.com/photos/tonz
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Zegnat Curious about how people use tools, for the individual, and what happens when connected with tools of others
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Zegnat Showing a photo of frank showing off indieweb to a group of people at his place
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jgmac1106 best birtday “conference” plan I have heard of
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Zegnat Earliest trace of his website is 1998 in the wayback machine
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jgmac1106 community zegnat, that is what happens
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Zegnat zylstra.org
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[Rose] Frank can apparently be bribed with cake and/or beer. Noting here for posterity ;)
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Zegnat Different type of content, but he keeps is off of his front page. Instead he has a day to day page that shows the things he keeps off of the homepage
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Zegnat Some content, like checkins, are stored at a separate unlinked category
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Zegnat Interested in figuring out how the reading and writing flows and processes work
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Zegnat Next up dylanharris.org
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Zegnat Is still on “Web version 1”
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jgmac1106 so many new people to add to my following page…and my feed and my following page are so out of sync..need to do feed grooming..I hate feed grooming
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Zegnat Came back from IWC Berlin wanting to put webmentions in, then ended up translating his website in many different languages instead
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Zegnat Problem with very big hand-coded site is that it is very easy to code in a mistake and then not notice
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Zegnat next up: doubleloop
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Zegnat doubleloop.net
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GWG Large wordpress contingent there
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Zegnat Also running WordPress with several IndieWeb plugins
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Zegnat Been great getting him up to speed quickly through WordPress, but has left him not always understanding exactly what everything actually does in the background
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Zegnat Shows https://doubleloop.net/2019/05/10/5392/
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Loqi [Neil Mather] A first attempt at a sketch of what’s going on with my Indieweb setup.
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Zegnat Recently been trying to setup Bridgy Fed to get his post onto the Fediverse
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jgmac1106 simething with my shared host breaks bridgy fed I think :(
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Zegnat Loves Micropub, and has been setting up a micropub client inside his emacs
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Zegnat Needs to do some “weeding and watering” with his website as the grand scale works but there are some small things that don’t seem to be fully there
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Zegnat May also try pfefferles plugin for fediverse integration instead of bridgy fed
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Zegnat Next up attentionfair.com Julia
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Zegnat Focus on social impact of technology
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Zegnat Projects on data ownership rights
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Zegnat Latest project is about visualising what people are doing with their data, what value it has to companies, etc.
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Zegnat There is an entire book there that is the printed data policies of the daily mail
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Zegnat Gambling game where the currency is personal information
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Zegnat attentionfair.com/spinmachine.html
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Zegnat Next up, our host, Johan
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Zegnat Has his own domain, but nothing else: driaans.nl
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jgmac1106 if you have your own Domain you have all the IndieWeb building blocks you need
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Zegnat “So you’re on the indieweb” says sebsel
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Zegnat Hosts a special RSS feed of images and comics that he reads
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Zegnat Planning to improve his tooling on his server this weekend.
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Zegnat Builds websites for a living, not for fun
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Zegnat Does enjoy playing around in a terminal, tooling, etc.
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Zegnat Will be working on OwnCloud, mail server, tooling configurations. He is happy to help.
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jgmac1106 I want to rebuild my media server…getting harder and harder to find old pc towers at gara sales I used to hack together for media servers
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jgmac1106 What is unlisted?
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Loqi unlisted are publicly visible posts that are not included in a homepage or main feed https://indieweb.org/unlisted
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Zegnat Next up Björn. Used to blog a lot but stopped after annoyances like spam (and awkward US customs discussion). Would like to share, but not willing to share everything.
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Zegnat For now one of the things he still has running is wije.rs
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Zegnat Does have a company website: burobjorn.nl
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Zegnat Does a lot of WordPress
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Zegnat Wants to find a bit more joy in coding, instead of doing it just for work
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jgmac1106 FYI to all WordPress…people would pay for a premium image centric photo IndieWeb theme
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Zegnat Next up: Harold. Also does not have a website to show.
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Zegnat 10–15 percent of people do not “trust” the internet for all sorts of reasons. So if you can reach those people, that would be an entrance for the IndieWeb
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jgmac1106 What was Harold’s idea or goal…thxs Zegnat
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Harold’s idea or goal…thxs Zegnat" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Harold’s idea or goal…thxs Zegnat is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat So Harold wants to know how we can be more “nasty”/mean than the silos.
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Zegnat Thanking the sponsors now. Hitting on some housekeeping points.
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Zegnat Stopping live stream so we can go scheduling
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Zegnat tunes off
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jgmac1106 good luck all
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jgmac1106 great demos!!
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[Djoerd_Hiemstra Yay!
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Loqi 😃
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GWG Any news on session planning?
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jgmac1106 they are doing offline
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jgmac1106 if you want to propose one just put into chat and see if it makes the baord
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[Rose] I am watching hee
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[Rose] Just added "IndieWeb WordPress" as a session as lots of people installed the IndieWeb plugin just now
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GWG How do I see the board?
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Zegnat [Rose], is going to try and setup a webcam for you, GWG
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GWG Just tell me when
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[Rose] If you use the same link you just had, it should be showing the session grids
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GWG I see a grid. Having a little trouble with the words.
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GWG I'll just wait for the photo
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[Rose] Frank has just updated the grid
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GWG Nothing in the Zoom yet though
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GWG So, attentionfair has a feed, but not Building Blocks
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GWG No etherpad for Building Blocks either
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GWG Oh well
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GWG Just came up.
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GWG Seems to be blank screen.
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[Rose] What are building blocks?
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GWG I see people.
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Loqi Building blocks are key design-patterns, technologies, and methods for building and improving your independent website https://indieweb.org/building-blocks
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GWG I don't hear people though
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GWG Is there audio?
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GWG Can someone up the volume?
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[Rose] Which session?
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sknebel [Rose]: I can hear you and Martijn, so buildingblocks seems ok
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GWG Odd.
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GWG I can't.
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GWG Will experiment on my side.
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GWG There it is. Weird.
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sknebel the other one doesn't work for me
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[Rose] Ok, I think we have a workaround.
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[Rose] I will debug that during lunch. That device refuses to ask for permissions and then claims it doesn't have them because I didn't grant it.
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sknebel and broken again
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sknebel will check if theres a recording later
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[Rose] Oh no.
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[Rose] Sorry.
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[jgmac1106] Wow check out the New Yorker The New Yorker: Can “Indie” Social Media Save Us?.
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[jgmac1106] https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/can-indie-social-media-save-us
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[jgmac1106] Haven't read it yet
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[jgmac1106] The article is about the IndieWeb as the central thesis. Just noticed it was written by Cal Newport
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[jgmac1106] Feel bad for calling his Digital Minilaism book the Vegetarian's Guide to Cooking Pot Roast
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[tantek] Zegnat [Rose] please remember to take the group photo before lunch!
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[jgmac1106] He does finish with normal thesis that no network is always better than any network... And the idea that scale is only metric of success
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[jgmac1106] Still amazing for Manton and micro.blog to get tha much coverage!
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[jgmac1106] Won't be as big because lacks addictive quality... Feature not bug... Says guy who got up at 4:00 for an IWC... Maybe a broken feature?
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GWG My comments are not being heard, I think, in Zoom
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Can “Indie” Social Media Save Us? | The New Yorker" https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/can-indie-social-media-save-us (from https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/05/18/can-indie-social-media-save-us-the-new-yorker)
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[tonz] Sorry I had to drop out of #indiewebcamp Utrecht just before lunch. Due to family emergency returning home. Perhaps I can rejoin tomorrow for the day of building. Enjoy the event!
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[Rose] Group photos taken!
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[tonz] I’ll have to photoshop myself into it. Or rather maybe turn it into a tradition, I managed to not make it into the group photo at IWC Nuremberg either.
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[Rose] Hahaha
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk Did the reader session just end?
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aaronpk I was in the yellow zoom room and then it ended
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GWG No. Schedule change. Readers should be now.
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GWG But I don't have a read
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GWG feed
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GWG Still nothing from the reader room.
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aaronpk Where are the ppl
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GWG And now there is video
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GWG I think we need SPOA t-shirts
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aaronpk Oh no
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[Rose] One device keeps muting, I started it, changed the camera, unmuted it, and then it was muted again
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[Rose] But I'm not in that room so I don't know if someone touched a button on the speaker which muted it?
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sebsel We are now streaming for wrapups
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sebsel getting people into the room
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sebsel Frank is overwhelmed but tries a wrapup
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[Rose] Note: Couches recordings seem to be tiny, I'll download the files and see what's in them, but that device was acting up.
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[Rose] Table recordings are all downloaded
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[manton] Thanks [jgmac1106]! I'm really happy to see Micro.blog featured in the article, and also think he did a great job of covering some of the most important parts of the IndieWeb. Congrats everyone! Hope a lot of people read it.
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[jgmac1106] [manton] I hope you and Jeanie well rested... And things get busy
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[tonz] frank++ for today, and doing the heavy lifting for indiewebcamp Utrecht, esp since I had to bail just before lunch
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Loqi frank has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (25 in all channels)
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[tonz] Frank++
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[jeremycherfas] Frank++
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[jeremycherfas] Tonz++
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[sebsel] yes!
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[sebsel] Tonz++
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[sebsel] Frank++
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[Rose] Frank++
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[Rose] Tonz++
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[Rose] Great IWC day one!
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[kim_landwehr] Just realized I was answering a question asked 12 hours ago 🤦‍♀️
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[cleverdevil] Good morning fellow “techno-utopians”!
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[cleverdevil] :d
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vilhalmer https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/102118038675323491
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Loqi [Eugen] "Mastodon, another popular IndieWeb service"Are we really IndieWeb? I always thought IndieWeb were the people who self-host blogs with like, microformats and pingbacks
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[cleverdevil] All joking aside, kudos to [aaronpk], [tantek], and [manton] for IndieWeb + Micro.blog being featured in the gosh darn New Yorker.
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[cleverdevil] Pretty great.
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vilhalmer indeed :D
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[cleverdevil] Yes!
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[tantek] Wait what. New Yorker?!?
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[cleverdevil] https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/can-indie-social-media-save-us
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[cleverdevil] We’re “artisanal” now.
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[Rose] You beat me to it ;)
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[jgmac1106] Cal Newport who recently wrote Digital Minilaism... We just did a book club in the Weareopen.coop Slack. [manton] were you interviewed or have any embargo period knowledge?
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jacky that's wild
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jacky I was just speaking to someone about Cal Newport
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jacky but if he's advocating IndieWeb
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jacky :)
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[jgmac1106] Yeah... Found his book hard to swallow. Why I called it a vegetarian guide to cooking pot roast.
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[jgmac1106] No problems with strategies he offers but it still based on a false dichotomy. That online and offline are different and offline always better
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jacky eh
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jacky we're in a state of transition
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[jgmac1106] For must of omus there is no difference the space we live in is just simply the way we be
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jacky like there's people who aren't mobile (like they can't just pick up and visit people around the WORLD) and the Internet breaks that
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jacky lol like if he's using Google then he's a bit of a contradiction
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[manton] [jgmac1106] Yes, I talked to Cal Newport about 6 months ago. At the time he was in the very early stages of writing an article, collecting notes. I didn't know that it would turn into this article for The New Yorker until today!
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[tonz] Some impressions of day 1 of indiewebcamp Utrecht https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/05/indiewebcamp-utrecht-day-1-readers-discovery-federated-search-and-more/
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[tantek] Still blown away by The New Yorker
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