#indieweb 2019-06-10
2019-06-10 UTC
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[jgmac1106] tonz++
# [jgmac1106] I started to work on mine for New Haven https://elmcitywebmakers. I need to redo it for the fall semester...
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petermolnar To make it user friendly, I'd need a JSON-LD and a fairly smart HTML WYSIWYG editor (one that understands details/summary, for example), and somehow connect it to git commits.
# petermolnar good morning, indieweb. I'm presented with an interesting dilemma. As result of being fed up with ~15MB for a 5, basically static page site from Wix, I wrote a self-generating PHP thingie to replace it - https://github.com/petermolnar/pakuauk/ . It's fast and works well, but it is not, in any way, newbie/GUI friendly.
# petermolnar Any ideas?
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
# petermolnar (sidenote: I thought about doing it in grav; realized that is _way_ more complicated, than plain html)
# jeremycherfas What's the goal? To allow people to install and use it themselves, or to allow you to spin up quick instances for people, or what?
# petermolnar a fast, simple page, that, should it ever be needed, someone else can modify
# petermolnar I might be overthinking this
# petermolnar eh, it's good enough for now :)
# jeremycherfas If they're only changing, rather than adding content, what about those things that allow editing in the browser? Can't think of names as I have not ever tried to use them.
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[grantcodes] Depending on what you want, vapid.com looks nice or if static is an option netlify cms is good, or there is the github one that is more basic (think it's called prose)
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# [jgmac1106] Petermolnar needs to try Kirby with me. All php but has publishing UI written in Vue.js
# [jgmac1106] .. But to make a new Uai template you write a plain text file
# [jgmac1106] Not static site though since content served dynamically so may not meet criteria
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# petermolnar is Kirby markdown based as well?
# petermolnar in this specific case, I'm using things that are completely missing from markdown, eg. details/summary
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# [jgmac1106] But what sebsel said, stuoid wix for making export against their ToS
# [jgmac1106] I put a link to the plugin in #dev
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Loqi Wix is a point-and-click website creation service https://indieweb.org/Wix
# petermolnar sknebel: fairly good question and I don't have a good answer. I think it's to make is sure people think of it as a paid service, and not as a transportable website :/
# [jgmac1106] Read the link on the criticism page
# [jgmac1106] "hosted exclusively on Wix serbera and can not be exported elsewhere"
# [jgmac1106] Servers*
# [jgmac1106] "copy, modify, create derivative works of, download, adapt, reverse engineer, emulate, migrate to another service, translate, compile, decompile or disassemble the Wix Website, the Wix Services"
# [jgmac1106] From the ToS
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# [grantcodes] I assume that means their html templates, not the actual content you enter
# [jgmac1106] Okay. Correct [grantcodes] they mention "user platforms" as seperate from Wix website... Reading deeper now
# [jgmac1106] You also can not lie on Wix "the User Content is (and will continue to be) true, current, accurate"
# [jgmac1106] ... Doesn't get into export ih the ToS.. But if your documentation says "cannot be exported" for the general user that is same thing
# petermolnar wix is disgusting on way too many levels to be clear
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[kevinmarks786] Would https://forestry.io/ be an approach?
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# petermolnar the thing is that most of these are made for blogging - read: templated, usually time ordered entries - whereas the reason why wix is making money is because they made a visual editor for tiny business sites, that are, in essence, 5-10 page static html.
# petermolnar if their - wix - approach was to build actual html pages, with proper css functionality instead of a JS based monstrosity of tens of megabytes for 5 pages, it'd be brilliant
# petermolnar (yes, I see a market there for a reprise of microsoft frontpage 98')
# petermolnar the only thing that's similar is mobirise
# petermolnar what is Mobirise?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Mobirise" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Mobirise is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# petermolnar Mobirise is a free to use desktop (Windows and Mac) static website builder: https://mobirise.com/
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# [jgmac1106] another like minded unconference org I did not know about: http://thatcamp.org/camps/
# Loqi Perch and Perch Runway are a content management systems based on PHP+MySQL https://indieweb.org/Perch
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sebsel [jgmac1106]: interesting definitions of Technology Skill Level they have too https://seblog.nl/temp/media-endpoint/58fb2b-that-camp.jpg
# [jgmac1106] yeah zegnat I was thinking about Perch as well...but then idea of just working in txt files seemed so fun
# [jgmac1106] ooh interesting way to think about the "three columns" approach
# [jgmac1106] yeah, though there are numerous themes and plugins for the business use case especially ecommerce
# [jgmac1106] but Perch is awesome and has more IndieWeb building blocks ready to go, not much more but more
# [jgmac1106] and the markdown support PeterMolnar wants natively I believe
# [jgmac1106] I liked tanetk's use micro.blog, use a CMS, build a CMS, same thing without the skill level
# petermolnar no, not in this case
# [jgmac1106] as you maybe Advanced but only want to use turn key
# petermolnar in this specific case I was looking for a reasonably advanced html editor
# petermolnar not markdown
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# petermolnar Perch actually looks interesting
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# [jgmac1106] Anyone else asked to sign Larry Sanger's Declaration of Digital Independence?
# jeremycherfas Oh no. vHWC snuck up on me again. Might be able to manage the first half hour.
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# [jgmac1106] I was excited to go but now with approaching stomrs need to cut lawn instead
# [jgmac1106] awesome IndieWeb article: https://kfitz.info/we-have-never-been-social/
# [jgmac1106] basically I have a 106 minutes to cut my lawn...99 actually
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chrisaldrich Good morning IndieWeb
# chrisaldrich As president of the David Shanske fan club, I'd be remiss if I didn't say...
# chrisaldrich Happy Birthday GWG!
# chrisaldrich :)
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# sknebel vHWC EU at https://zoom.us/j/4955358768
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# [jgmac1106] I think my Twitter account got flagged again....This is getting more and more annoying. I am not talking to people outside of my network
# [jgmac1106] Yep I am restricted again...and there is no way I was violating policies
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# [jgmac1106] I think I am going to have to walk away from Twitter, will be cutting my professional network at my knees but if I lose POSSE ability no need to stick around
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# Loqi manual until it hurts is an indieweb principle of resisting automation until you have done it enough times to really understand it, and know that it is worth doing https://indieweb.org/manual_until_it_hurts
# [jgmac1106] What is DRY?
# Loqi DRY is an acroynm for Don't Repeat Yourself https://indieweb.org/dry
# [jgmac1106] but I will
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# [jgmac1106] okay all tweets copied in pasted verbatim (one truncated for character count...articles useless anyways)
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# [jgmac1106] I think it is a combination of @ mentioning people in an existing thread when you do not follow them that maybe the trigger. I was also using words like dogpile never know
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# chrisaldrich That Kathleen Fitzpatrick that @jgmac1106 highlighted above is certainly intriguing: https://kfitz.info/we-have-never-been-social/
# chrisaldrich She's essentially asking, is there something a level even below IndieWeb that we should all be considering?
# chrisaldrich I love that she's actually playing around in these sandboxes and raising some interesting questions within her network.
# chrisaldrich She's also subtly mentioning diversity and inclusion pieces too.
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# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106], who do you suppose we'd need to talk to to get the Humanities Commons WordPress install to be more IndieWeb friendly?
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# chrisaldrich Apparently Loqi has a cousin: https://twitter.com/domainosaur