#indieweb 2019-06-13

2019-06-13 UTC
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[tantek] I'm curious about people's mobile indieweb workflow in general. Who here posts via mobile at least once a week? (besides [schmarty] and [eddie] 🙂 )
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[tantek] Also interested in how people read on mobile (mix of IndieWeb reader and silo apps or ... ?)
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[tantek] Which then begs the question of who is also responding on mobile, e.g. to something the read in the previous question
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[tantek] or maybe to something they clicked on e.g. a link in a chat app
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aaronpk does too!
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aaronpk is surprised tantek didn't call him out in the list of exceptions along with schmarty and eddie
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aaronpk maybe i should add that to the list of pre-summit goals... a blog post or video about my mobile indieweb workflow
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[jgmac1106] I would say I do 50/50, but it is a mix of Indigenous, Known as kinda a PWA, Nuzzle and Twitter.
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[jgmac1106] Sometimes in Indigenous I find it easier to open the sire->open in FF->copy url... This is mainly for bookmarks...bookmarks go weird for me straight in Indigenous..
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[jgmac1106] The hardest part is still the same hardest part, maintaining and grooming feeds....so far bwhind on adding everyone I want to add... But that is Aperture which is mainly desktop
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[jgmac1106] For replies and likes that is mainly from Indigenous... Unless a Twitter reply. Then I have to open the Twittee mobile website. Copy link, fo to Known... Takes seven clixks
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[jgmac1106] clicks*
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[jgmac1106] Also based on quality of people's feeds I find I may have to get to their website to sharw as the action buttons maybe missing in Known
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[jgmac1106] I mean missing in Indigenous
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[jgmac1106] Been trying to figure out how ro get to extensions in FF fenix or Preview... Or what evwr the beta Android browser is called to rry OmniBear on mobile
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[jgmac1106] Ohh I guess not yet https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix/issues/574 could go back to Firefox for Android...but now getting to Devy
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Loqi [TitanNano] #574 Web Extensions Support
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[tantek] at HWC SF chatting about headless CMSs, IPFS as a backend storage
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[tantek] figuring out how folks found HWC SF
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[tantek] found indieweb through POSSE!
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[tantek] wow and found POSSE through https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20115377
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Loqi [octosphere] This is why I am a big fan of POSSE[0] which is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party servic...
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[tantek] via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20115037
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Loqi [rylandgold] Why Medium Sucks
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[tantek] Medium << Criticism: 2019-06-03 [https://www.cdevn.com/why-medium-actually-sucks/ Why Medium Actually Sucks]
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: 2019-06-03 [https://www.cdevn.com/why-medium-actually-sucks/ Why Medium Actually Sucks]" to the "See Also" section of /Medium https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62334&oldid=61893
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[tantek] Medium << ^^^ commentary on the above article on Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20115037 like <blockquote>I feel like we are beating a dead horse here. Everyone I talk to knows Medium sucks.</blockquote>
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Loqi [rylandgold] Why Medium Sucks
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Loqi ok, I added "^^^ commentary on the above article on Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20115037 like <blockquote>I feel like we are beating a dead horse here. Everyone I talk to knows Medium sucks.</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /Medium https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62335&oldid=62334
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aaronpk that's a good post!
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[tantek] I think that's the first Hackernews based IndieWeb event discovery that I've heard of
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[tantek] From this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20115377 to https://indieweb.org/POSSE to recognizing 2019-06-12 in the sidebar as being *soon*, to clicking on that https://indieweb.org/events/2019-06-12-homebrew-website-club to then seeing the ToC listing cities, scrolling down to San Francisco and clicking on it and here we are
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Loqi [octosphere] This is why I am a big fan of POSSE[0] which is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party servic...
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[tantek] "a very narrow funnel" 🙂
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[tantek] now showing https://permaweb.github.io/Permaweb.io/
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[tantek] what is bootstrap
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Loqi Bootstrap is a large collection of boilerplate HTML and CSS styles and components originally developed by Twitter https://indieweb.org/Bootstrap
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[tantek] now checking out https://getepona.com/
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[tantek] now checking out https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site/blob/master/index.html
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[tantek] and talking about IndieAuth, rel=me
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[tantek] https://indieauth.com/
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shokunin[m]1 Test
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[tantek] Yes!
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jacky o/
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jackyalcine[m] oh that works
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jacky ^ that's my KDE matrix account
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Nottantek Testing the web ui
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jacky will the real tantek please stand up? lol
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[tantek] Lol
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[Rose] Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel Good morning [Rose]
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[jgmac1106] Good mornin
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[tonz] G’morning!
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[calumryan] Good morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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[grantcodes] Morning all
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[grantcodes] I'm very happy I got my like rollup working in my reader for when tantek goes on a like spree 😛
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[grantcodes] https://grant.codes/media/2019/06/13/like-rollup.jpg
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Swedneck_ Hi! We'd like to bridge this channel to discord (https://discord.gg/nVP67C), would that be alright Loqi ?
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[calumryan] Looks good [grantcodes]. Would definitely need rollup all the time if he pulled in his checkins from Swarm
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[grantcodes] Haha yeah I want to do checkin rollups too, but I've not thought of how I would display them
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[jgmac1106] On a map.
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[grantcodes] Yeah, but a lot that I see, don't actually have a lat + lon and getting anything but a static map image I think will be difficult, but I don't think an image would be of much use
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] then stop following people who checkin w/o lat + log (goes to check to see if he includes it)
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[jgmac1106] It would be neat, Imagine a Where in the IndieWeb map are they and it displays every person who opts-in to the service based on their last check in
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[jgmac1106] reverse look up is pain for those missing geo coord
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[jgmac1106] okay both JSON+LD and mf2 coordinates on checkins
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jee[m] Hello, Has anyone succeeded in making nautilus work ? https://github.com/aaronpk/Nautilus
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[jgmac1106] a few people use Nautilus'
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[jgmac1106] [aaronpk] is on West Coast US may want to ask in a few hours in the #dev channel
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[jgmac1106] What is Nautilus?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Nautilus" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Nautilus is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] What is nautilus?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nautilus" yet. Would you like to create it?_0 (Or just say "nautilus is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] suprisin
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jee[m] Ok thank you for your answer i'll ask aaronpk, do you know people who use it ?
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[jgmac1106] Not off the top of my head.
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[jgmac1106] What is Bridgy Fed?
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Loqi Bridgy Fed connects IndieWeb sites with federated social networks like Mastodon and HubZilla https://indieweb.org/Bridgy_Fed
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[jgmac1106] more use this
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jee[m] I have tested it but as i undertand Bridgy Fed is unable to post on the fediverse at this time
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Swedneck_ Loqi: did you get my message?
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cweiske what is loqi
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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Swedneck_ oh it's a bot?
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Swedneck_ are there no human OPs in this channel?
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cweiske we submitted ourselves to our robot overlord
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Swedneck_ welp, so much for bridging then
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jgmac1106[m] Loqi rules all the things
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/510ZNUDT.jpg
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[grantcodes] [jgmac1106] I already have a middleware that can make a map of most recent locations for people (in together anyway)
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[grantcodes] Although I don't think it is working perfectly...
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[grantcodes] https://grant.codes/media/2019/06/13/indiemap.jpg
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jeremycherfas !tell swedneck I have no idea about bridging to your discourse channel, but there may be others who can give you an answer.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas !tell swedneck_ I have no idea about bridging to your discourse channel, but there may be others who can give you an answer.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Pesky underscores.
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snarfed jee[m]: out of curiosity, what did you try to do with bridgy fed that didn't work?
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Swedneck_ not discourse, discord
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Loqi Swedneck_: jeremycherfas left you a message 35 minutes ago: I have no idea about bridging to your discourse channel, but there may be others who can give you an answer.
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[tantek] Swedneck_ might try in the indieweb-meta channel (usually all our community infrastructure discussions happen there)
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Swedneck_ alright, thanks
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jeremycherfas My mistake.
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[eddie] jee[m] I use Bridgy Fed to post to the Fediverse
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[eddie] Definitely let snarfed know if you have any issues personally because it definitely can work
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Swedneck_ !discord bridge 475789330380488707/588672201700540426
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jee[m] hi snarfed [eddie] i have try to forward my json feed on the fediverse but i never succed :/ probably an issue on my side of course :D
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snarfed sorry for the trouble jee[m]! if you've followed all the instructions and troubleshooting on https://fed.brid.gy/ and still can't get it to work, feel free to file an issue and i can take a look
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[tantek] What is privacy policy?
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Loqi A disclosure is a bit of content, typically on a home page, on an indie web site that proactively discloses some aspect about the site that the site owner wants the user to explicitly be aware of https://indieweb.org/privacy_policy
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[tantek] Hmm
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[tantek] disclosure << https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/12/opinion/facebook-google-privacy-policies.html
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/12/opinion/facebook-google-privacy-policies.html" to the "See Also" section of /disclosure https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62344&oldid=52543
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snarfed (jee[m] also bridgy fed doesn't do anything with json feeds, so i expect you meant something different by that)
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jee[m] snarfed by your work you make an better internet you should not to be sorry <3
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snarfed aww thanks. warm fuzzies!
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jee[m] I followed the instructions but I may not have understood everything. English is not my first language
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Swedneck_ !discord bridge 475789330380488707/588672201700540426
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Swedneck_ !discord bridge 475789330380488707/588672201700540426
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Swedneck_ there we go
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jeremycherfas Swedneck_ ++
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Loqi Swedneck_ has 1 karma over the last year
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jee[m] is Bridgy Fed able to post on the Fediverse if I indicate him an atom feed (not a json sorry my mistake) ?
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snarfed jee[m]: that's not the main use case, no. you give bridgy fed indieweb html posts with microformats2, not an atom feed
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swedneck[m] test message from discord
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[kenbauer] The Guadalajara chapter for #HomeBrewComputerClub is not dead but on hiatus until the semester rolls around in August.
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[tantek] Good to know kenbauer! Will ask you the follow up q in the meta channel :)
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shokunin[m] This is gonna be super useful!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/510dCD4i.jpg
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guest278776 test
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dennis2 👋 I'm new here, so feel free to direct me to the right channel. I'm working on gobo.social (https://gobo.social), a social media browser and project at the MIT Media Lab. I'd love any feedback you have and thoughts about incorporating other platforms (currently gobo works with facebook, twitter, mastodon).
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snarfed welcome dennis2! if you think gobo is indieweb-relevant, a great first step would be to log into the https://indieweb.org/ and add a page for it
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dennis2 I'll check it out--thanks!
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snarfed many of us do something similar to gobo right now by reading our social network feeds in traditional feed readers using https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ , https://instagram-atom.appspot.com/ , etc
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snarfed probably lower tech than gobo though
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dennis2 I think what might be different about Gobo are the "rules" incorporate
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snarfed sure! many feed readers support filtering via rules etc too. maybe not exactly the same though
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dennis2 we have this vision of a plurality of social media networks and therefore a "browser" would be helpful in managing it all
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dennis2 ahhh, good to know! We'll do some comparative analysis :)
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snarfed dennis2++
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Loqi dennis2 has 1 karma over the last year
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[kevinmarks786] Have you looked at the microsub work Dennis2?
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dennis2 No! Tell me more!
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snarfed (btw i moved part of this conversation to #indieweb-dev too)
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aaronpk dennis2: check out https://indieweb.org/Microsub and the two articles I wrote linked there
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dennis2 sweet
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dennis2 check out #dev too
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aaronpk the articles might do a better job of explaining the background than the wiki page :)
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dennis2 great! Also, is there an actual #indieweb-dev channel or do you mean #dev channel?
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aaronpk yep #indieweb-dev, sorry for the shorthand
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dennis2 gotcha, thanks!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Backfeed without code" https://snarfed.org/backfeed-without-code
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (78 in all channels)
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[tantek] [snarfed], do you mean OwnYourSwarm?
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remysharp1 Hi, I've got a webmention question - @tantek, Jeremy suggested you might know…
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remysharp1 I've discovered a number of links to a webmention supported web site, but the target links are only different due to the fragment being different: https://cloudup.com/c1tGr8G0Cz5
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remysharp1 So my question is: should this be a single webmention or should it be multiple webmentions as per the screenshot?
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snarfed [tantek]: yes! thx for the correction
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snarfed remysharp1: relevant part of the spec looks like https://webmention.net/draft/#request-verification
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remysharp1 snarfed: that's the receiver, I've written a sender and I'd rather avoid spamming a service (like webmention.io) if I don't need to.
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snarfed right, but it also speaks (somewhat) to how webmentions for urls w/fragments should behave in general
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remysharp1 Actually…if the receiver is going to check the source URL, surely that process will pick up the multiple link backs - so then I wouldn't need to send multiple for multiple fragments.
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snarfed assuming the receiver strips the fragment during that check. spec says it needs to when it looks up the post in its own storage, but not whether it needs to when it compares against the source URL. cc aaronpk
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sknebel it shouldn't
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snarfed regardless, for now, start with the simplest code, and don't worry about a few extra http requests either way
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sknebel also, that's #indieweb-dev :D
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snarfed ah yes thx
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[tantek] sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (117 in all channels)
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[tantek] remysharp1 there's more subtleties to it as well, and happy to continue in indieweb-dev
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remysharp1 tantek: is that #dev in the chat.indieweb.org sidebar?
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remysharp1 (Sorry, old to irc… slack has broken me)
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sknebel remysharp1: yes
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[tantek] remysharp1 also since it sounds like you're (more) comfortable with Slack, you can use that too - add yourself here: https://chat.indieweb.org/slack
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[rem] [tantek] ta - I'm very impressed that slack is somehow wired up to IRC (I'm guessing it's a slackbot posting from irc)
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aaronpk bridge all the things!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/510S7cLf.jpg
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jacky do all the things!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/5108ha6v.jpg
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jacky ah ha
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[jgmac1106] interesting Domains wrap up...https://readywriting.org/domains19-reflections/
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chrisaldrich @jgmac1106, I'm still so far behind on catching up on Domains19... thanks for highlighting
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jgmac1106 particularly liked the idea of vendor and development and developer and development..kinda a key difference of IndieWeb events