#indieweb 2019-07-24
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[tantek] tonz++ https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/07/on-mobile-blogging/ - so many things to improve and fix there!
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[jgmac1106] good morning
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# jgmac1106 speaking of mobile writing, good article from iamjessklein on the new visual editor she has been developing with wikimedia: https://medium.com/freely-sharing-the-sum-of-all-knowledge/distraction-free-editing-1451c3b8d0d7
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
# jeremycherfas How's things?
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# [jgmac1106] Pretty good, just teaching an online class and trying to stay afloat
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autist im in chat?
# autist yeah
# jeremycherfas Hello autist. There's also #chat-indieweb
# autist Hi there, i need help to build an website, where i can post things and share informations
# autist how to get there?
# jeremycherfas Do you already have a domain?
# autist no, and i dont know how to get one. I am very noob
# autist is it free?
# jeremycherfas There are many domain name registrars that will provide you with a domain. And hosting companies that will host your website for you. Some companies will do both.
# jeremycherfas It is not free.
# autist but then the companys can delete my things. I only want to write and share some things. Is there no possibility to build it on my own pc?
# jeremycherfas Will wordpress.com allow you to own your domain for free? I don't think so.
# jeremycherfas You can definitely build a website on your own PC, and if you have a good internet connection you can also host it yourself. But I don't know how easy that would be for a "very noob".
# autist damn, thats the point^^
# jgmac1106 autist I am building this now: https://buildyourfirstwebsitelessonplans.glitch.me/
# autist wow,ty. i will directly take a view
# jeremycherfas I'm sure that there are guides on the internet to hosting your own website, but I have not tried to do that.
# jeremycherfas [jgmac1106] Are you including self-hosting? That's ambitious.
# autist in germany theres a guy, he has a very simple blog. fefe blog. I read he too the simlest code
# autist Okay, i see. I should choose somethign very simple. And also i think i should pay :)
# autist thought theres maybe a simple program, like. Click your webpage with drag and drop-like
# jeremycherfas I do not speak German, but that site does look very simple. The problem is, there is no way for me to know what kind of technology is behind that website.
# autist i speak geerman
# jeremycherfas But none of those offer the kind of autonomy that autist says they want.
# jeremycherfas It is interesting that blog.fefe.de says "Proudly made without PHP, Java, Perl, MySQL and Postgres". That suggests to me some kind of flat-file system, which would be easy if you pay for a domain and host somewhere like github.
# autist the thing with a raspi i also had in mind. Maybe i can buy a server ready Raspi?
# autist For me its important that i can share my vision about some things, so i want to write, share informations, who no one can delete
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Loqi UBOS (pronounced You-Boss) is a new Linux distro that makes it much simpler to install and maintain indie web and IoT applications on physical servers, cloud servers and devices such as as the Raspberry Pi https://indieweb.org/UBOS
# autist last time i shared something, my 4 year long used, investigative fb.was deleted. No chance to get back.
# autist yeah, thak you, i think i will buy a ready one raspi
# autist as i tried to make an account on wordpress. everytime i clicked for register, nothing happens. Weird
# jgmac1106 this is a totally working blog I built on Glitch: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/
# autist UBOS 399,- :)
# autist looks great, and nice thoughts. But what is glitch?
# Loqi Glitch (formerly Gomix, HyperDev before that) is a tool allowing you to quickly prototype web applications in a complete IDE with built in version control, sharing, and more https://indieweb.org/Glitch
# autist ty, so this is a tool for making sites like his
# autist when i understand right. A tool to buil my own hompeage?
# autist writing html=writing code?
# autist Thank you guys. This community is realy friendly and i am totaly surprised many options i got
# autist I read a lot, about many things. But not coding. There are many pople who can do it better. Also understand what they want to do with it. And there are so many many codelanguages
# jeremycherfas HTML is kind of code, yes, but more it tells the browser how things should look. So that fefe blog you linked yo has very minimal HTML in it, and in a browser it looks very plain and simple. HTML can also be used to make things look very complicated.
# jeremycherfas At its simplest, HTML is just saying things like "This is a big headline", this is a smaller headline, this is a paragraph and stuff like that.
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# autist this would take to much time for me, i only want to share important information. Thats the point, i dont want to learn coding :( Maybe sounds stupid for some of you. But its better for everyone^^
# jeremycherfas Do you use a word processor, autist ?
# autist I am more the autistic/ads dude. Who see patterns, other dont see. And i see missing informations.
# autist what is that?`
# Loqi That! (or "that ^" or "that ^^^") is a rarely seen reply often emphasizing agreement with a This post, but sometimes[1] merely emphasizing agreement with a previous reply https://indieweb.org/that
# jeremycherfas Word processor? Or CMS?
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# jgmac1106 This is what your website would look like when you get to the end of lesson three: https://jgmac1106.glitch.me/ in this https://buildyourfirstwebsitelessonplans.glitch.me/ you can stop there and have a perfectly fine website in a few hours
# autist video lessons and only a few hours sounds fine. I think i will try it. Ty for your help.
# autist you guys are fast, maybe too fast. Where should i type in these html things?
# autist is notepad a possibility?
# [jgmac1106] yes notepad works. If you click on the little fish in the upper right hand corner you remix this starter page: https://buildyourfirstwebsite.glitch.me/
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# [jgmac1106] and then you can use the directions here: https://buildyourfirstwebsitelessonplans.glitch.me/ but maybe you might want to slow down and decide., Do I want to learn HTML and design my own basic site or use a CMS like wordpress.com, mirco.blog, etc
# autist Loqi =) youre confusing me :) i think i agrree.
# autist If CMS and micro.blog are things to pay for. Then i damn, have to learn your steps, till leson 2 =)
# [jgmac1106] I tell people to start with paper, go slow, write down the goal you want to accomplish, then write a bio you would include on the website. Then layout no more than three webpages on paper..boxes and stick figures fine..then decide
# [jgmac1106] You can get through lessons one and two and have a website up, good luck with what ever you decide. Always here to help. Once questions get technical we will move to dev channel
# autist I marked your site to find it again. And then i will try to follow the steps.
# autist i dont understand what it means remix with glitch. Notepad is not glitch, or?
# [jgmac1106] it means you are forking my prject and making your own. You can dowload it all to notepad or just start writing plain html in notepad
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# autist okay, ty. Sorry its not always easy for me to concentrate on things, when its a must and i HAVE to. But the expirience with you guys make me optimistic.
# autist nope, cant do anything. Unknown: Server error An unexpected error has occurred. undefined
# [jgmac1106] sounds good, remember to set tiny goals to not get lost in the possibility. Today I will get my homepage up, tomorrow I will add an About Me, you can also try different technolgoy for 2 week trials and find one that fits how you learn
# [jgmac1106] yeah i got the same error on my project, just filed a bug
# [jgmac1106] I think the entire service might be down
# [jgmac1106] notepad++
# autist thats my big fear, to get lost in possibilitys.
# [jgmac1106] many of us keep track of our goals on the wiki and try to support each other in getting done the probable so we can all accomplish the impossible
# autist yes, i downloaded last week. Till now no clue how or for what to use.
# autist whats karma?
# [jgmac1106] ohh its our way of thinking things and peopel that support the community
# [jgmac1106] I gave karma a notepad because its servers are never down
# [jgmac1106] well guess I won't be working on the tutorials...off to talk rubrics and scoring writing
# autist dont understand. :) but okay.
# autist my goal is to spread important informations about the dangers of these experimental jetfuels. also to show, that geoengineering is an ongoing thing for decades. Can talk a lot, but when people see the evidences, then they should be alarmed
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# autist and often, when i try to share things i get banned, and its NO FAKE or misinformation. all serious links and soures. And then this link above was taken offline. Because of its information on it.
# autist sorry for beeing crazy, but to share it here (inhope someone other safes it) lets me come down a bit. Thats not lost....
# autist peace, and a good time for all
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# [tantek] [benatwork], jacky can you indie RSVP to the indie event too for tonight's HWC SF? https://tantek.com/2019/205/e1/homebrew-website-club-sf
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# dietricha [tantek]: oui, i will be there! i can report!
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j4y_funabashi[m] What is Hugo?
# Loqi Hugo is a static site generator written in Go https://indieweb.org/Hugo
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[grantcodes] https://grant.codes/media/2019/07/24/together-avatar.jpg favourite new thing on together 😄
# [grantcodes] Not really sure what else I can do with user data, but it's available now
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chrisaldrich Am I missing some context or changes in medium with this article? https://medium.com/@wudanyan/i-was-owed-more-than-5-000-from-late-paying-publications-47db55dfba2a
# chrisaldrich The author's article states: "To comply with Medium’s policies, I have re-published the story on my professional page. Permalink to the story here: http://www.wudanyan.com/late-fee"
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# chrisaldrich This seems like an odd form of syndication that I haven't seen before on Medium.
# chrisaldrich Interestingly there are a lot of replies to the Medium post despite the fact that the article actually lives somewhere else.
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KartikPrabhu PESOS
# KartikPrabhu what is PESOS
# Loqi PESOS is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Elsewhere, Syndicate (to your) Own Site https://indieweb.org/pesos
# chrisaldrich To be clear, the form of the syndication has been defined, it's the oddness of the message pointing to the original. Why a pointer to the article instead of posting the entirety of the article?
# chrisaldrich What are Medium's (new?) policies that would require re-publishing on one's professional page? Perhaps they somehow violated the terms of service, though that seems a stretch given the anonymity of the parties involved.
# KartikPrabhu I am guessing the policy was about some content and so the author instead put the full content on their website and linked to it
# KartikPrabhu chrisaldrich: maybe the statement https://medium.com/policy/medium-rules-30e5502c4eb4#bab7 ?
# KartikPrabhu "Posting copies of private communications between private individuals without the explicit consent of all parties to the communication"
# chrisaldrich Thanks KartikPrabhu, perhaps that? I'd skimmed through their policy page and managed to miss that, though the fact that they specifically redacted the parties in question should have more than sufficed.
# chrisaldrich What is redaction?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "redaction" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "redaction is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# chrisaldrich What is TOS?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TOS" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "TOS is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# chrisaldrich What is terms of service?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "terms of service" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "terms of service is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# Loqi A disclosure is a bit of content, typically on a home page, on an indie web site that proactively discloses some aspect about the site that the site owner wants the user to explicitly be aware of https://indieweb.org/disclosure
# [tantek] TOS is /disclosure
# [tantek] terms of service is /disclosure
# chrisaldrich That's relatively close enough tantek, but I think that TOS is subtly and semantically different enough in scope to be different than the intent of /disclosure.
# chrisaldrich And /disclosure#Silo_Examples actually already states this.... perhaps worth circling back later and fleshing out the /silo version of TOS definition more explicitly?
# chrisaldrich refrains from doing so at present.
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