#indieweb 2019-08-19

2019-08-19 UTC
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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[prtksxna] Morning Zegnat 🌤
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sknebel Good morning
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Loqi good morning
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AkyRhO Good morning Indieweb
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AkyRhO I'm looking for a way to automatically publish bookmarks on my website (Known)
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AkyRhO I do have access to a RSS/JSON feed of the things I want to bookmark
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AkyRhO and I was wondering if I could automate something with micropublish.net or something similar based on the content of that file?
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Loqi JSON, Micropub... it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev
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AkyRhO moving to #indieweb-dev, sorry
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OsakaFoo hehe, searched micropub - found wiki article "a very small, one run public house"
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OsakaFoo s/run/room
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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GWG Morning, jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas Hello GWG. How's the home automation going?
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jeremycherfas I saw an interesting thing linked from m.b about someone who hacked a cheap pair of Ikea Sonos-enabled speakers and connected them to a pair of good speakers.
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GWG It's going well. But going to be on hold.
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GWG Might be a -chat topic
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[jgmac1106] who uses a personal wiki on their site and willing to share the url?
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[xavierroy] [jgmac1106] [tantek] might
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[jgmac1106] yeah I shared zegnat and tanteks
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[xavierroy] I have a dokuwiki one but it isn't public
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jgmac1106 general discussion in another DSlack channel as the notion/evernote/ how to get things done and keep track of it all
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[xavierroy] And I don't use it that much
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[jgmac1106] wow reading this I did not realize federated wki was born at an IWC....after trying to edit some articles this weekend on wikipedia a federated wiki makes more and more sense
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[jgmac1106] I still have fedwiki.me
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[xavierroy] My idea was to get all my posts into it as a PASTA option. But never got around to it
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[jgmac1106] only tantek's link works here both caseorganiz and tommorris 404 https://indieweb.org/wiki
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[jgmac1106] I have found a good workflow with Known and bookmarking, I made a feed of #pinboard for reminder posts and occaisonally do to-do list posts....till I don't
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[jgmac1106] but in terms of Commonplace Book moving all my PDFs and bookmarks to my website been huge step
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[jgmac1106] still too much friction for my to-do list approach, using manual until it hurts and hand doing the ul and strikethoughs, in many ways a wiki does make more sense for this kind of workflow
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jgmac1106 what is pasta?
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Loqi PASTA is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish Anywhere, Save To (private) Archive, the practice of automatically saving a copy of whatever you post on (social media) silos to someplace else under your own control, like a private directory on your own server, or a local folder on your laptop that is less vulnerable to site-death https://indieweb.org/PASTA
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[KevinMarks] I had a fedwiki, but never used it
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[jgmac1106] yeah I never did either, I tried with school but the UI wasn't intuitive enough and required too much background knowledge of dev culture
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[jgmac1106] Mike's WordPress version wikity.cc is still used by some
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[jgmac1106] but after having all my edits reverted all weekend long the idea of forking an article rather than trying to negoitate got appealing
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[prtksxna] Listened to the whole thing today (Ma.tt Vergecast). Yeah it was pretty good, tantek. It is pretty clear they want to interop, and that they know the IndieWeb can do that for them. 🙂
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[prtksxna] [jgmac1106] Wikibase lets you federate btw. There are a bunch that use it to link to items to wikidata.
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[prtksxna] *on Wikidata
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[jgmac1106] thx will check it out...just the perennial question of "What is the optimal set up" which the answer seems to always be, "The one you got now..but different"
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[prtksxna] heh
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[jgmac1106] now I am debating if I need a wiki....prolly not just update HTML pages
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[jgmac1106] meaning people always looking for a better solution to doing work when you might have enough tools now to do work....but you spend all your time debating how you could work better without actually getting to the work
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[KevinMarks] Github has wiki pages for a project of you turn them on.
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[jgmac1106] a personal repo...wonder if people do that
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[jgmac1106] well speaking of work..got a grant proposal to finish
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[prtksxna] Does anyone remember this old essay about a stream (blog) and a garden (wiki) and how to structure the web? I can’t seem to find the correct link
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[prtksxna] https://hapgood.us/2015/10/17/the-garden-and-the-stream-a-technopastoral/ refers to it, but doesn’t link it 😞
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[jgmac1106] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiq1u-imo_kAhUomuAKHb25APoQFjAAegQIAxAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffaculty.washington.edu%2Ffarkas%2FHCDE510-Fall2012%2FBernsteinGardens.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3oh9K2kZv7AqDiRR1eZKKT
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jgmac1106 can really define Bakthin and utterances in a post this gets close: http://www.generation-online.org/p/fp_lazzarato6.htm
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jgmac1106 fun fact while Kristeva is noted as first saying intertextuality the name of my blog INTERTEXTrEVOLUTION is Bakhtinian in its inspiration
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] can you move those 404 examples to a Previous Examples section and provide Internet Archive links for them?
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jgmac1106 good idea
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[tantek] wow: https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2019/information_operations_directed_at_Hong_Kong.html
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[tantek] Twitter << Detecting and disclosing state-backed coordinated inauthentic behavior: 2019-08-19 Twitter Blog: [https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2019/information_operations_directed_at_Hong_Kong.html Information operations directed at Hong Kong]
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Loqi ok, I added "Detecting and disclosing state-backed coordinated inauthentic behavior: 2019-08-19 Twitter Blog: [https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2019/information_operations_directed_at_Hong_Kong.html Information operations directed at Hong Kong]" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=64511&oldid=63998
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[tantek] and related: https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2019/08/removing-cib-china/
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[tantek] Facebook << Detecting and removing coordinated inauthentic behavior: 2019-08-19 FB Newsroom: [https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2019/08/removing-cib-china/ Removing Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior From China]; and 2019-07-25 [https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2019/07/removing-cib-thailand-russia-ukraine-honduras/ Removing Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior in Thailand, Russia, Ukraine and Honduras]
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Loqi ok, I added "Detecting and removing coordinated inauthentic behavior: 2019-08-19 FB Newsroom: [https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2019/08/removing-cib-china/ Removing Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior From China]; and 2019-07-25 [https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2019/07/removing-cib-thailand-russia-ukraine-honduras/ Removing Coordinated Inauthentic Behavior in Thailand, Russia, Ukraine and Honduras]" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=64512&oldid=63885
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[bdesham] people were also mad at Twitter because they were showing sponsored posts from Xinhua Daily (IIUC, a mouthpiece of the Chinese government) that were anti-protest
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[bdesham] I don't see that mentioned in this blog post though
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[tantek] interesting, did anyone else blog about that? or did that make it into any press articles?
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[tantek] also hello [bdesham]! Good to see you again! Coming to HWC SF this week?
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[tantek] I heard a rumor [benatwork] is going to be at HWC SF this week for sure
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[bdesham] hi! I just set up a new IRC/Slack client so now I might have a snowball's chance of keeping up with all the channels I'd like to ;-)
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[bdesham] I'm a "maybe" for this week... I'll have to see how work etc. goes for the next couple days
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[bdesham] I haven't seen any third-party blog posts, although now I notice that Twitter themselves posted https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2019/advertising_policies_on_state_media.html
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