#indieweb 2019-08-27

2019-08-27 UTC
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[j12t]
The end of ind.ie: https://ar.al/2019/08/26/introducing-small-technology-foundation/ — but his journey goes on it seems.
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Ruxton
have you peeps seen ths - https://datatransferproject.dev/ ?
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Ruxton
"Data Transfer Project (DTP) is a collaboration of organizations committed to building a common framework with open-source code that can connect any two online service providers, enabling a seamless, direct, user initiated portability of data between the two platforms."
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GWG
I have
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GWG
We had someone from it at IWC NYC last year
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GWG
I think it was recorded.
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Ruxton
seems to me like the larger orgs trying to re-frame existing efforts in their own brand/project
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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jgmac1106
okay I was looking for other events during NYC and I find David Byrne (Talking Heads…huge fan) and he publishes “I am not an algorithim page” of his current playlist. I like it
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jgmac1106
I can almost excuse the Jonas Brothers being on the playlist…almost
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bupkes
hi
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jgmac1106
morning bupkes, jeremy
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jeremycherfas
Hey Matt; good to see you here. And hoping to make it to Brighton myself. And morning jgmac1106
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jgmac1106
ugg jeremy I just took myself off the Brighton list. I am going to MozFest and just can’t be away that long
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jgmac1106
hopefully you can stick in the UK until MozFest, great conference
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jgmac1106
or you need to schedule a bread class in NYC and join us there
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jeremycherfas
I'm by no means certain I will make it, and if I do it will be hard to do MozFest too, but more for family reasons. Does Mozfest cost?
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[manton]
[j12t] I was just reading over the Small Tech blog post again... I'm really interested in where this goes and what overlap there is with the IndieWeb. DAT has come up a few times here and at IndieWebCamp.
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jgmac1106
jacky and I went to the DAT meetup in Portland with Darius, he is a great source of info as well Manton…talked about challenges of what do with just javascript and the hash system of urls
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[manton]
Cool. DAT has been on my radar too, but I haven't figured out how best to incorporate it into Micro.blog without getting really sidetracked. So I'm especially curious what impact DAT support in this new Site.js tool will have.
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jgmac1106
mapkyca doing some fun experimenting with Known, data storage and IPFS
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jujudario
Is it possible to not include retweets/replies when adding twitter feeds via granary?
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[snarfed]
jujudario: not right now, but there's an open issue, https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/138 , and we'd love to add it. want to tackle it and send a PR?
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[snarfed]
jujudario: also, just curious, are you adding individual twitter users via granary? we strongly recommend adding your whole feed instead, since individual users doesn't scale well. try https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ instead? (same underlying code)
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Loqi
snarfed has 27 karma in this channel over the last year (73 in all channels)
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jgmac1106
snarfed++ oooh cool i never knew that existed, does it work with hastag searches as well?
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[snarfed]
jgmac1106 no, but it does do lists
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jgmac1106
okay I will just make lists of the people most active in hashtags…always wondered how people did this
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[snarfed]
jgmac1106 feel free to continue using granary for searches. the problem is really just when people add every one (or many) of their followed users as individual feeds
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jgmac1106
yeah I want my feed reder just to have the best of for a few hashtags…Tweetdeck still works for me
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jgmac1106
I probably haven’t looked at my home feed in five or six years, its pretty useless
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jujudario
Yes, I only knew how to add individualy, but added my whole feed now
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[KevinMarks]
You can add a list too
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jujudario
I only follow 15 accounts there, makes a list for me :)
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aaronpk
i've been following some hashtags and lists via granary and it's been great :)
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jgmac1106
how do you follow hashtags? Is there a way to test if they would be too much for Granary..some edu hashtags super active
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aaronpk
there's a "search" in granary
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aaronpk
i don't think anything would be "too much" for granary, it's just talking to twitter at the end of the day. it's possible for some hashtag searches twitter will give you limited results which they document in their api
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jgmac1106
I think we (by that I mean me) need some pop up sessions or IWC sessions on using granary, like I would love to learn how people use it on their readers and their sites, for example automating the feed generation rather than me cutting and pasting after each post
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jujudario
I get "429 Too Many Requests The client has sent too many requests in a given amount of time Instagram temporarily disabled, sorry! " when trying to use granary + instagram. Anybody made a succesful feed with instagram? It' d be nice with a tutorial on it, as doubleloop made with twitter + granary
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[schmarty]
hi jujudario! instagram has recently started returning a lot more rate limiting errors to services like granary. i believe snarfed has disabled instagram through granary for now.
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[schmarty]
(i may be mixing that up with bridgy, which definitely has instagram disabled for the same reasons)
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jujudario
Thanks [schmarty]+
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[snarfed]
actually jgmac1106 jujudario etc i want to keep discouraging granary for feed readers and encourage the *-atom services instead. they have better (ish) UXes. granary is primarily a developer tool.
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[snarfed]
and yes, IG is entirely disabled in granary right now
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jgmac1106
will do, all I use it for is just to make an rss feed from my mf2 feeds…and I do it manually everytime I add a post
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[snarfed]
there's FUD that granary's feeds have better quality and/or more content than the *-atoms', but i haven't really ever heard any concrete examples, and afaik no one's ever filed an issue, so i'd like to squash that FUD
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Loqi
[snarfed]: would you mind moving this conversation to #indieweb-dev? thanks!
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[snarfed]
politely declines
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[snarfed]
jgmac1106 ah sure, for mf2 => rss, go for it! i mostly mean for silos
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jgmac1106
the search feature though so I could get an atom of a hashtag would be cool
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aaronpk
[snarfed]: granary looks prettier than the *-atom ones, and also it doesn't have "atom" in the name, so that's why I always think of using it first, because it looks more like an actual product
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aaronpk
whereas the *-atom ones look like developer tools
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[snarfed]
aaronpk: you mean the web UI? heh, ok.
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aaronpk
yes :)
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[snarfed]
i'm | | this close to disabling all silos in the granary REST API entirely
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aaronpk
also i can never remember the URLs to the other ones, but granary.io is easy to remember
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[snarfed]
huh. browser history, right? i never try to remember URLs if i've ever been to them before
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aaronpk
um i don't even remember what they start with
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aaronpk
maybe link to them from granary.io?
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[snarfed]
your browser requires prefix match? ugh sounds crude
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[snarfed]
good point! will do
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aaronpk
hmm but also instagram-atom only outputs an atom feed right? the mf2 feed that granary makes is way better
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[snarfed]
another reason to point people to twitter-atom specifically is that granary twitter all uses the same api app, which twitter shut off before (https://snarfed.org/2013-07-09_twitter-atom-is-back ) and i expect would do again with enough volume
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[snarfed]
aaronpk right
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[snarfed]
er sorry. right, "way better" is the FUD i mentioned. would you mind filing an issue with details? i'd like to bring atom to parity with mf2
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aaronpk
that sounds like a challenge, but i can file issues :)
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aaronpk
imo it would be faster to add mf2
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[snarfed]
sure maybe i'll do that instead. i'd just like to know the concrete differences
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[snarfed]
it's kind of "accepted" here now that granary is "better" than *-atom, but i've almost never heard concrete reasons, just cargo cult belief
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[snarfed]
i'm definitely ready to make improvements and fix gaps!
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[schmarty]
snarfed++
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Loqi
snarfed has 28 karma in this channel over the last year (74 in all channels)
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aaronpk
ok concrete example for twitter, the granary one includes "in-reply-to" so my reader can show the reply context, but there's no way to do that in atom
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[KevinMarks]
Well, there are some ways but they're a bit annoying.
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aaronpk
[KevinMarks] always with the "well actually" 😂
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[KevinMarks]
Add the as1 namespace, or put mf2 into the content
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aaronpk
nope nope
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[snarfed]
actually granary atom does have in-reply-to, using the threading extension. https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4685.txt
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[snarfed]
=> #indieweb-dev
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aaronpk
ok sure, reposts and likes?
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[snarfed]
lol. pretty sure reposts are in there too. will check likes
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[snarfed]
feel free to plug a tweet into granary with a feature you care about, look at the atom, see if it has what you want 😁
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aaronpk
is that the same as the code twitter-atom uses?
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Loqi
friendly reminder [snarfed], aaronpk, can you move the tech talk to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
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[snarfed]
yup exact same
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[bdesham]
snarfed++ I had no idea this (instagram-atom) existed but it looks great!
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Loqi
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[snarfed]
thanks@!
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aaronpk
anyway my main point here is that granary is better from a "product" point of view. name recognition, branding, design, etc
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aaronpk
whereas the other ones don't really have a name themselves, they are named after a trademark and a spec
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[snarfed]
yup, understood
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[snarfed]
the *-atom services all have functionality that granary doesn't: twitter requires users' own api keys, instagram requires cookie (ugh awful), facebook scrapes
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[snarfed]
so i can consider whether to improve their naming, branding, marketing, or fold all that into granary
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[snarfed]
(latter seems unlikely)
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[jgmac1106]
manton++ just reading about this
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Loqi
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[tantek]
manton++ nice work!
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Loqi
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bob1
howdy
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bob1
i got indieauth working, with my own custom auth server. i’m pretty happy about that … now i just have to actually harden the thing
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jacky
that's the fun part
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jacky
welcome bob1!
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bob1
yup, it sure is! the embarrassing thing is that i can’t seem to find the blog which inspired me to finally get it done — the fellow deserves credit
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jgmac1106
bob1 if you search the chat logs for https and indieauth you may find it, aaronpk, jacky, swentel, sebsel, fluffy are usual suspects for blogging about such things but so many more I am sure have been posted…congrats on such a cool milestone
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