#indieweb 2019-09-24

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aaronpk ownyourgram isn't working because of instagram's rate limiting and it's making me not want to post photos or videos at all because they won't go to my website :(
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GWG_ aaronpk, post directly to your site?
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aaronpk i can posts photos to my site, but i don't have an interface for posting videos
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aaronpk i guess i could hook up an iOS workflow for it
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GWG_ aaronpk, hedge your bets
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dansup Instagrams API is pretty infuriating
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[snarfed] i assume you mean scraping their HTML 😐
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Publ v0.5.5 released" http://publ.beesbuzz.biz/blog/1031-Publ-v0-5-5-released
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dansup heh, yeah. Using 3rd party api libraries is becoming increasingly sketchy because a lot of bot farms use them and have been known to lose their accounts
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[snarfed] any scraping at all, sadly. bridgy, granary, and OYG all do their own scraping, no external libraries, but IG's throttling/blocking don't really care what client side code you use
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[chrisbergr] We need a cool alternative for Instagram! It has always been a problem.
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[snarfed] lol [chrisbergr] meet dansup 😎
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dansup heh
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dansup [chrisbergr] how about https://pixelfed.org? Here is an example of an account https://pixelfed.social/dansup
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cambridgeport90[ It just needs to catch on.
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[chrisbergr] pixelfed.org looks good at the first sight. Need to get a second more detailed view. Thanks for the hint [snarfed] & dansup 🙂
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[chrisbergr] The confirmation mail is only sent with a click on the button, not automatically? That's interesting.
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dansup yeah, its still an early project. Lots of UX improvements to do
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cambridgeport90[ It's not so much about that as much as it is regarding the entire fediverse in general. It will take years to promote mass adoption of most of these wonderful pieces of software.
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[chrisbergr] If there were bridgy pixelfed support and an iphone app, I' d immediately remove instagram and convince all my friends to switch too.
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[snarfed] [chrisbergr] try https://fed.brid.gy/ with pixelfed!
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[snarfed] also see https://sunlit.io/
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[chrisbergr] Thanks for providing all those tools, [snarfed] 🙂 Because this one is totally new for me I'll need some time...
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[chrisbergr] Can I use a trackback instead of an empty link (<a href="https://fed.brid.gy/"></a>) in my content?
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[fluffy] Someday I need to figure out a decent workflow for encoding video to HLS or DASH and just hosting it on Backblaze or other static file hosting or something. Not that I post video often but when I do I die a little inside every time I put it on YouTube.
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[timothy_chamber Perhaps a dumb question, but for my creating a mastodon bot that would repost this into the Fediverse, does this page also have an RSS feed?
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[snarfed] [chrisbergr] you can omit the link entirely if you want. webmention with source alone is enough
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[snarfed] (technically won't be spec compliant, but this use of wm-as-trigger is unconventional anyway)
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[fluffy] [timothy_chambers] if it’s a normal mastodon account that’ sbeing posted to then yeah it’ll have an atom feed
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[fluffy] at least until mastodon removes atom like they keep threatening to do
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[fluffy] also in my experience you do actually need the link to fed.brid.gy to be there for it to pick the link up
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[fluffy] despite you saying the same thing to me snarfed 🙂
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[snarfed] oops sorry, [fluffy] is right! i was thinking about something else. too many codebases
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[Rose] Holiday approved for IWC Brighton!
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[tantek] 🎉
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[tantek] -> meta?
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[Rose] Yup
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lucacavallaro[m] good morning!
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Loqi good morning
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[Lewis_Cowles] can you not simply scrape insta by setting curl user-agent? Their markup seems static-ish
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[Lewis_Cowles] as a fallback when the API is being a phool
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[chrisbergr] It looks like I'm too stupid to get this https://fed.brid.gy/ stuff to work. Too bad.
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petermolnar !tell aaronpk webmention.io triggers the notification hook before it considers the incoming mention/pingback as spam or check it if it's an update or not. Would it be possible to move the notification hook after the checks, once the mention is actually stored in the list?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar [chrisbergr]: I have fed.brid.gy running, what's wrong?
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[chrisbergr] First of all I'd describe myself as somewhere between generation 2/3. Love all the concepts but don't understand them all in detail. I've done the setup as described on the page, done a test but couln't see anythin on the bridgy fed logs.
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[chrisbergr] And of course I didn't see an answer to [snarfed]'s mastodon post, contrary to my expectations.
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[pfefferle] https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/
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[pfefferle] [chrisbergr] try
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U6aMy0wojraho is there a way for me to pipe IRC chat to programs or log or >file or |espeak
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U6aMy0wojraho maybe i could make a irc simple user dungeon
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U6aMy0wojraho or play zork
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[chrisbergr] [pfefferle] already installed, together with webmention and WebSub/PubSubHubbub
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[chrisbergr] Testing this stuff at ambersaunders.de
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Loqi chrisbergr has 1 karma over the last year
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[Lewis_Cowles] chrisbergr++
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[KevinMarks] This chat on Particular or irc in general?
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petermolnar [chrisbergr]: I'm happy to help with fed bridgy (sorry for the extreme delays, I'm having a rather busy day), but it probably falls into the indieweb-dev chat, so let's continue there, ok?
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petermolnar actually... I stand corrected, my fed.brid.gy syndication has been broken for a while.
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petermolnar I need to fix that first :D
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GWG_ Morning
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Loqi good morning!
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aaronpk petermolnar: well that doesn't sound right
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Loqi aaronpk: petermolnar left you a message 4 hours, 33 minutes ago: webmention.io triggers the notification hook before it considers the incoming mention/pingback as spam or check it if it's an update or not. Would it be possible to move the notification hook after the checks, once the mention is actually stored in the list?
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aaronpk If that's the case I would have thought I'd be seeing a lot more spam on my website
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk I have been doing video to archive.org and posting that on my website
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[jgmac1106] or just ftping video files over and adding the link
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aaronpk hm?
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[jgmac1106] ...I also upped to a 100gigs of hosting so stopped worrying about video a bit, but archive.org works real well for hosting openly licensed video
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GWG_ aaronpk: I think he is referring to when I mentioned yesterday you should set up a video posting workflow to be prepared if Instagram is often not working for you
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk yeah im not worried about the storage, it's a UI thing
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[Lewis_Cowles] Question. Maybe interesting (I hope).
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[Lewis_Cowles] Is there a good IndieWeb solution for self-hosted video streaming?
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aaronpk UI/workflow. Like how do I actually get a video from my phone to my website. Turns out Instagram did a good job of making a video creation UI
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aaronpk [Lewis_Cowles]: There are several tools for it, depending on what your end goal is. I put this together a while ago https://aaronparecki.com/2016/11/19/15/self-hosted-facebook-live
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Creating a Self-Hosted Alternative to Facebook Live using Nginx and Micropub
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[jgmac1106] yeah that is where I keep an ftp client on my phone, shoot video ftp to /video then I just add a <video> link to a template I keep saved on phone as well, haven't tried a micropub client
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[schmarty] aaronpk: i have been playing with iOS Clips app for this
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[schmarty] quick (silly) video edits. then i need to extract some pieces of my Live Photo to Micropub Video shortcut (add caption, tags, post it)
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aaronpk Oh yeah I keep meaning to try that app
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[jgmac1106] does wevideo work on iOS, awesome tool for Chrome/Android for editing and sharing
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[snarfed] aaronpk: whoa the github gist backfeed on that post of yours. manual?https://aaronparecki.com/2016/11/19/15/self-hosted-facebook-live#mentions
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[grantcodes] Heh I've had a couple of videos sitting about for more than a year because my site doesn't really support them
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[grantcodes] Although I think it should be possible to update everything. Even my Instagram posse could post videos and stories with a bit of effort
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aaronpk [snarfed]: huh I didn't notice that before!
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aaronpk i think possibly that person put the gist URL in my webmention form!
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[snarfed] huh. cool!
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[KevinMarks] Unsurprisingly https://twitter.com/alexweprin/status/1176562680980807688?s=20
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@alexweprin Wow. Media measurement giant Comscore and its former CEO have been charged with fraud by the SEC. https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2019-186 (twitter.com/_/status/1176562680980807688)
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lucacavallaro[m] hey guys, what you think about gatsby for making static websites?
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lucacavallaro[m] I am working on my hugo-based website right now, but I don't now if gatsby could be easier and better (plugins, community)
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aaronpk what is gatsby?
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Loqi Gatsby is a React-based static site generator with live preview https://indieweb.org/gatsby
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aaronpk check for indieweb examples there?
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lucacavallaro[m] * I am working on my hugo-based website right now, but I don't know if gatsby could be easier and better (plugins, community)
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lucacavallaro[m] * hey guys, what do you think about gatsby for making static websites?
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jacky did those messages just get re-echoed?
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aaronpk i'm guessing that's the matrix or discord bridge's way of editing messages
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jacky eh I can't tell
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jacky so last year was the 'year' of the reader
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jacky this year was the one of .. community?
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jacky I'm thinking / seeing next year being more client-driven
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[schmarty] perks up
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[schmarty] like micropub clients?
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[grantcodes] The Gatsby eco system is definitely huge. Also there are lot of Gatsby personal websites that are not on the wiki (probably developers but that's a guess)
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[tantek] jacky, I think "community" is too abstract/broad to be a "year of" theme
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[tantek] if anything, we certainly learned that our Readers still have a long way to go to be easily usable on mobile
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[tantek] though for the folks who *have* gotten current Readers to work for them, there has been quite a bit of discussion about *discovery* as the next logical step/theme
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GWG_ I have said it a few times
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[tantek] which?
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GWG_ Discovery being a problem we need to tackle
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GWG_ If we don't expand our personal networks, then we lose the opportunity to engage with new people and ideas
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[tantek] what is discovery
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Loqi Discovery is a variety of methods for finding content, websites, communities, or people to follow on the web including search, directories, recommendation engines, tags, or other serendipitous methods https://indieweb.org/discovery
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[tantek] GWG, if you have ideas, even ideas of needs/why, definitely add to /discovery#Brainstorming accordingly!
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GWG_ I know we had some discussion of following at IWS.
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GWG_ I have to look if we documented
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jacky that's very true!
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jacky thinks he should do something with indieweb.directory :eye:
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GWG_ jacky, were you in one of the two follower/discovery sessions at IWS?
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GWG_ Things blend together
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jacky I _think_ so
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jacky can't recall
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GWG_ There were two, which is why I thought you might have been in the other one
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GWG_ I will have to check
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GWG_ Following has not been a problem I have worked on except in theory
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[tantek] soooo the IG algorithm just asked me to take a survey about which posts matter to me more
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[tantek] I'm doing it
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[tantek] since it's showing me semi-private (possibly) data / people, I'm not screenshotting per se
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[tantek] rough UI:
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[tantek] Survey / 1 OF 10
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[tantek] Number 1 | Number 2
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[tantek] Which would you want to see first?
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[tantek] [ Number 1 ] [ Number 2 ]
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[tantek] Skip
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[tantek] ( the Number 1 | Number 2 are tabs that switch between showing you two different embedded posts)
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[tantek] wow so far there has been a fairly clear "winner" in each pair
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[tantek] the embeds are fully functional, e.g. I was able to "like" the photos that were being shown to me
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[tantek] when I answered the last 1vs2 comparison, the survey closed and left me an insert in my main "reader" stream view:
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[tantek] ✅
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[tantek] Thanks for letting us know.
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[tantek] We'll use your responses to help improve Instagram.
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jacky I think I was interested in discovery because I started working on my microsub server + client then
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GWG_ I want to continue to update my feed list
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[KevinMarks] New Python code of conduct http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-python-software-foundation-has_24.html?m=1
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[KevinMarks] Re discovery, I like it. Previously http://epeus.blogspot.com/2004/07/call-off-search.html
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[tantek] KevinMarks do you have a diff link for that code of conduct?