#indieweb 2019-10-06

2019-10-06 UTC
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[schmarty] whaaaaaaaaaa
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[schmarty] neat
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[tantek] an IndieWeb art exhibit would be amazing
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[fluffy] heck yes
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[jgmac1106] They have an exhibit tomorrow so can't come but meeting with art director some time next week... Yeah. She had really neat ideas about how to display
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[Michael_Beckwit so just walls of monitors that pipe in RSS feeds from everyone’s respective sites? 😄
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[jgmac1106] Pretty much. we talked about also getting people to answer, "Why I publish" and remixing that with music, movie files or gifs navigating through sites... Who knows. Cool idea
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[tantek] RSS feeds are a way to make interesting sites instead look like walls of text all the same
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[Michael_Beckwit i’m still curious on how to possibly use RSS in new, unique ways in 2019
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[Michael_Beckwit but really it’s just a list of items that you can display
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[tantek] Still trying to figure out what to work on tomorrow for my site!
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ShokuninDiscord[ Music player
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ShokuninDiscord[ In all seriousness, your site is pretty much the state of the art as far as I can tell
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[snarfed] shokunin https://indieweb.org/Falcon#Working_On , https://indieweb.org/Falcon#Itches 😁
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[snarfed] (still one of the best role models though!)
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ShokuninDiscord[ Interesting, thanks!
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ShokuninDiscord[ There's so much, I had no idea
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ShokuninDiscord[ sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/BWZHwqLWoiKtrOQbNDGPnOCa >
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ShokuninDiscord[ Working on that right now!
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ShokuninDiscord[ Though it's on ipfs/textile and uses an app. We're gonna wait for the web nodes to become available to make it web too
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ShokuninDiscord[ * Though it's on ipfs/textile and uses an app. We're gonna wait for the web nodes to become available to make it web too.
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[arush] Awake and hacking early.
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[jgmac1106] Good morning all, awake, gonna try to write some day one posts before heading back
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[jgmac1106] Today's hacking goal, remove the closing tags from head, header, and footer filer and move back to each file to allow me to customize, play with GitHub actions to see what else I can automate
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jamietanna[m] Morning all, hope IWC NYC🗽 is productive today!
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GWG You are welcome to remotely participate
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sebsel I work on non-demoable hacking this weekend, as to have demoable hacking in Brighton :)
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GWG sebsel, want to share?
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GWG In writing, not demo
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sebsel that’s the point: there is not much to share
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GWG Okay
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[jgmac1106] Goals, progress, next steps always make wonderful posts for others. Length matters not
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sebsel yea I keep revisiting the way I store posts, to get away from Kirby. The details are too devvy, but I like the current direction I’m taking :)
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sebsel will blog about it if it makes it
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GWG Yesterday, we were talking about storing descriptions in the photo file itself
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GWG So I found some tools that do that on my phone
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[jgmac1106] GWG I am specifically gonna play with the GitHub actions ImgBot. Supposedly scans your repo, optimizes img... Ton of cool GitHub actions in marketplace
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[jgmac1106] sebsel yeah I think for my personal site I am leaning away from Kirby. For business site gonna use it so others can edit in panel
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[jgmac1106] Also working on a webmention badging platform with students that will use Kirby. For my personal site sticking with HTML and Known hybrid
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[Rose] Yesterday in between essay background reading I did some planning of the new theme I want to create for my blog, now I’m nearly half done on my essay and I want to code not write.
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[tantek] Thanks shokunin, snarfed. I need to re-assess the priorities of things in those lists (and for today, filter by hackability in hours not days)
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[jgmac1106] Tantek have you tried DokuWiki? Moving all my students there. The admin tax for getting mediawiki up and rolling with all plugins too damn high
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[tantek] And what successes do you know of with DokuWiki? Over what timeframe?
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[tantek] What is DokuWiki?
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Loqi DokuWiki is an open-source wiki-project that uses file-storage https://indieweb.org/DokuWiki
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[tantek] Zero examples. Not a good sign. Good luck with it and LMK how it goes!
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glenn[m] Just to jump in here, I am currently rebuilding one of my sites in Dokuwiki (not finished yet though). I do know that the OpenWRT project - https://openwrt.org use it for their domain.
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Zegnat In my relatively short experience with dokuwiki (running some D&D stuff on it) I found the onboarding of nontechnical people just as hard as with MediaWiki, and the relatively old feeling templates haven’t made that better. The only thing that I like with it over MediaWiki are the pretty-OK access controls. I can give different people different access level to campaign information.
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glenn[m] Ubuntu in France also use it: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/
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[KevinMarks] [jgmac1106] have you looked at templating with overrides? Jinja2 + nunjucks have that with very similar syntax
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Zegnat is having a slow start this IWC Sunday
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GWG So, yesterday, we were talking about organizing media. I did a quick test. I found a few apps that allow you to save descriptions quickly in photo files. And I checked and my system does automatically store that.
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Zegnat Interesting GWG. My gut reaction would be to be very careful with that though. Chances are some CMS is going to run compression or resizing on a photo file and completely remove such data
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cambridgeport90[ I don’t even know how to check for that data properly.
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GWG Zegnat: Mine doesn't
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GWG Remote participation in Day 2 is in the Indieweb Red Room
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GWG https://zoom.us/j/4955358768
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GWG This will not be recorded. Demos will be at the end of the day. So remote participation is for community feel
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GWG Break will be around 12-1PM for lunch.
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GWG Second room available for not video.
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GWG Second room available for not video.
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GWG cambridgeport90[: How so?
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[snarfed] indieweb art exhibit idea reminds me of when i printed out a bunch of people's home pages and physically framed them, on HWC's 2nd anniversary. https://snarfed.org/homebrew-website-club-2nd-anniversary-plaques
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GWG Anyone remote want to declare their project goals for the day?
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[Rose] No, but I declare I can’t hear any audio
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[Rose] Tried killing Zoom on my end and trying again, no dice.
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[Rose] I see GWG doing things with the speaker so I presume the problem is being worked on 😄
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[Rose] I hear nothing
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Zegnat I am looking into tracking financials, because it has been a pain point of mine. Not sure it will be anything I get done with today though
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GWG [Rose]: Restarted the room
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[Rose] Everything is suspiciously silent
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[Rose] And I see people typing, so at least I should hear that
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[dougbeal] I’m working on static site (hugo) for HWC Seattle, deployed + webmentions is goal today
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[tantek] snarfed, your post is not displaying any images when JS is off
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[tantek] is that expected?
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[dougbeal] GWG: Video didn’t look live, either
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GWG I just switched audio
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[Rose] Somebody say something?
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[Rose] I did not hear that
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GWG I will restart
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[Rose] GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 18 karma in this channel over the last year (149 in all channels)
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[Rose] Yay for debugging
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Loqi yay!
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GWG Someone try the Zoom now
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[dougbeal] GWG: good now
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[snarfed] [tantek] hmm, sorry! other images on my site are fine w/o js, no clue what's up with that page
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[Rose] I hear people!
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GWG Working now
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[jgmac1106] thx [KevinMarks] will check it out
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[tantek] I think I'm going to deprioritize "Add to GCal: Google Calendar link" and instead publicly blog about Google's bugs when people complain about it not working, e.g. in Android Google Calendar app. Interestingly, if you have a Samsung, you also have a Samsung Calendar app which *does* handle the ICS just fine. It's only the Android Google Calendar app that fails (silently at that, it just crashes and goes back to the previous screen)
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cambridgeport90[ Does Outlook have this problem as well?
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[jgmac1106] task one complete: publish a video post: https://jgregorymcverry.com/iwcupdatenyc2019
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Loqi [J. Gregory McVerry] IndieWebCamp NYC
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[tonz] jgmac1106++ for the vid posting. Those captions are those automated? Could one automatically add them as transcript (improves accessibility, and facilitates people like me who are text oriented and find taking in vids hard to do / too slow)
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[jgmac1106] yeah I can add them I thought I saved it as a video file, I auto generated the captions, and then spent about a half hour editing
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[tonz] I regularly use the auto-transcripts of YT vids. Usually indeed takes quite a bit of cleaning. Esp interpunction, sentence end /start.
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[jgmac1106] darn...the video editing software I used doesn't l;et you download the caption file
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[tonz] wondering if there’s a tool to grab YT transcripts automatically / on the fly.
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[jgmac1106] are you Android?
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[jgmac1106] this is crazy good at captioning: https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/google-recorder/google-recorder-1-0-271580629-release/google-recorder-1-0-271580629-android-apk-download/
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Zegnat I think youtube-dl is able to grab both manual and auto subtitles/captions from videos, if you want to download them after Google has generated them
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[jgmac1106] well I mea transcribing have it record a recording
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[jgmac1106] i found the files local on my computer...what file extension does a caption use?
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[snarfed] feel free to look at http://huffduff-video.snarfed.org/ . not exactly this but related
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[snarfed] based on yt-dl and open source
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[tantek] updated my static upcoming events listing on my home page. yay
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jamietanna[m] Gwg sorry I missed your message - I've unfortunately been out all day otherwise I likely would've popped in on the stream! Sounds like it's been good
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GWG We're still on
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[arush] Today's project ended up being working on fixes for the Indieweb Publisher theme to make it more accessible. I'm using it on my sites and need to fix it for myself, so might as well pass those on for everyone.
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[schmarty] arush++ !
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GWG Demos starting shortly
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GWG Remote demos prepare
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aaronpk oo drop a link when it's live!
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GWG https://zoom.us/j/4955358768
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GWG Red Room
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[jgmac1106] schmarty is demoing first
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[jgmac1106] realizes he can't have his web camera using two different appos
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[jgmac1106] https://schmarty.net/stickpix
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GWG [schmarty] had his goal of a Micropub Snapchatesque filter app called Stickpix
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GWG [schmarty] is a bunny on screen.
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[jgmac1106] he added a button called snap it, it creates an image tag in the page using a data url you can right click, view it if you want, save it to your computer
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GWG He did not finish making it a micropub client as was his goal
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[jgmac1106] 'I am half way to putting in a micropub clitent
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aaronpk schmarty++ this is amazing hahaha
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Loqi ahaha
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GWG For more information, please visit Marty's site in the future
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[tantek] so good
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GWG [tmiller] Brought back tiaramiller.com
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GWG It is a hugo site
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GWG And she made a badge.
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GWG [schmarty]: What's up, Doc?
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GWG Next, teonbrooks.github.io is now teonian.com and it is https:
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GWG Teon L Brooks
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GWG The other thing is that...visiting Indiewebify.me....the site has an h-card works.
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GWG Round of applause
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GWG Nicole Shadowen got a domain name..nicoleshadowen.com
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GWG It is https
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GWG She uses technology to make the world a better place for humans
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GWG She also POSSEd her first tweet using Brid.gy
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GWG She did it manually
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GWG But she'd like to fix that
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GWG More TBD.
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GWG Wants ideas on how to be more visual in her presentation of written material
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GWG Next is dmitri.shuralyov.com
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GWG He uses Github as his login provider, but wanted to try to add IndieAuth.
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GWG Now, on his staging instance, via Indielogin.com, he is letting people login via their website.
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GWG [schmarty] is singing as he helps demo
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GWG [schmarty] has now logged into his website
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GWG Learned a lot about IndieAuth, but needs cleanup before deployment
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GWG [tantek] is demoing
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GWG tantek.com
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GWG First, we are visiting indieweb.org/event
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GWG He has done thingsx on the wiki
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GWG First, he had difficulty figuring out what to do, so he braindumped ideas about events
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GWG He added notes on better support for invitations and who is attendding an event in the brainstorming section, working backward from what it would look like when it reached twitter
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GWG Considering adding in the next iteration fun icons
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GWG Hopes to automatically add invitees and such
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GWG Then, started working on how to generate invitations and documented existing examples.
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GWG Did not come to a conclusion
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GWG But made progress.
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GWG In the last 30 minutes, he tried to add something to his website...
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GWG Added to an event...a form, "Got an Indie RSVP..." Enter the URL here
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GWG So, this is a webmention form
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GWG He only shows the form on events as he doesn't show webmentions otherwise
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GWG zephnet.biz
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gRegorLove (woo, .biz!)
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GWG Picture of cat and forearm
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GWG Added Letsencrypt cert
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GWG Page shows @aaronpk on twitter
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GWG He'll fix it
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GWG Fixing live
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GWG Picture of dog with glasses
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ShokuninDiscord[ I've been thinking about all these formats
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ShokuninDiscord[ and how we're going to roll them into our app
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ShokuninDiscord[ Is there an entity we can partner with, that's driving those standards?
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GWG [jgmac1106] is presenting
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ShokuninDiscord[ like, we have relationships with Protocol Labs, Textile, Temporal...
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GWG Call for remote demos
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GWG We have a remote demoer
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GWG dougbeal is remotely demoing
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GWG He has a WordPress site
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GWG He keeps forgetting to add u-photo to his classes. He did it automaitcally
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GWG Trying to make HWC Seattle more often, so has a Hugo site for this. Has not yet deployed it
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GWG The URL will hopefully be indieweb.seattle.wa.us. He has applied
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GWG Or will apply
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GWG Until then hwc.dougbeal.com
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[tantek] shokunin, instead of "partner with (entity)" think "interoperate with (standard)" and the community that drives it. Implementations != standards communities. "partner with" is bad framing as it leads to bizdev which tends to be closed by default rather than encouraging of openstandards
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[schmarty] gwg dev site https://wpdev.gwg.us/
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[schmarty] shows location info in the sidebar. it's current! shows whether it's light out based on altitude, even.
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[schmarty] also can show a tiny map!
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[schmarty] also: a wordpress starter theme with microformats
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[schmarty] also: downloaded an android app for adding EXIF metadata to images and then started working on making that metadata show up on his site.
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[schmarty] went through three different plugins and made three different updates
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[schmarty] can now take photo on his phone, add a description, then upload to his site from his phone.
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[schmarty] uploads via micropub (indigenous). it used to strip metadata but no longer does.
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[schmarty] his WP site saves that data before stripping it out for serving.
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[schmarty] had one more stretch goal, multiple calendars. didn't make it.
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[schmarty] jgmac1106 is next
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GWG By the way, the test picture for description was Long Beach Airport with chrisaldrich
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GWG 3rd call for Remote Attendees
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GWG aaronpk, gRegorLove? Anyone?
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gRegorLove [schmarty], No demo, but started adding public/private/unlisted option to indiebookclub. Should be live by end of next week.
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[schmarty] up next https://jgregorymcverry.com/
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gRegorLove If your micropub endpoint indicates it supports those options
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[schmarty] gRegorLove++ very cool!
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Loqi gRegorLove has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (48 in all channels)
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GWG gRegorLove: You can announce your accomplishment on audio if you want
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gRegorLove Nah
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GWG Okay. I will after jgmac1106
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[schmarty] up next https://jgregorymcverry.com/
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[schmarty] has a /music/ URL on his site that ... is 404.
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GWG jgmac1106 got rid of his file extensions in his URL
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GWG But is having subdirectory issues
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GWG He is superexcited, as he no longer has to manually add his header/footer/head to page...he has automated this.
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GWG Used Github actions to optimize images
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GWG Can share to demo this is...100% speedtest
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GWG Was at 98%
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GWG Inspired by attendee Nicole, he did something with bridgy that made him frustrated.
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GWG Trying to log into Twitter to demo whatever it is
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GWG Password succeeded
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GWG He is now going to publish using Bridgy. Made a note subdirectory, file for each day, ID
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GWG Then it says he has no microformats...but he does. Except he has an issue with HTML markup.
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aaronpk byeeee
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[tantek] 👋
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teonbrooks[m] 👋
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teonbrooks[m] <[tantek] "👋"> good to see you today and thanks for the help
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[jgmac1106] teonbrooks++
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Loqi teonbrooks has 1 karma over the last year
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[jgmac1106] for getting a domain and h-card up
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teonbrooks[m] also, nice meeting everyone today in nyc and thanks for the help all around! :)
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