#indieweb 2019-10-07

2019-10-07 UTC
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jeremycherfas
Good morning IndieWeb
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GWG
Morning, jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas
Morning GWG; seems like you had a great IWCNYC.
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GWG
How so?
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GWG
Anything particular catch your attention?
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GWG
I want to make this work
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[arush]
I have some ideas for your image workflow @gwg
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GWG
[arush]: Look forward to hearing them
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GWG
I did some Micropub work and merged it based on that. Need to release though
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[arush]
Specifically with entering descriptions, if you use an app called Tap Tap See, and do image recognition on your images, the description that's generated will be saved as title and I think description in the photo's metadata. You'll want to edit this, since it's not going to be able to provide any context and will get things wrong in the photo, but it would be a place to start. You can use it to take photos or describe already-existing ones, then
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[arush]
save them to your camera roll with descriptions added.
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[arush]
If you use Own Your Gram or syndicate to Twitter, description/alt text won't pass through. It'll work on micro.blog though.
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[arush]
Same with Swarm/Own your Swarm.
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GWG
I don't do much photo posting to Instagram...too much of a pain
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[tantek]
Bridgy Publish to Twitter does read your original post alt text and passes it through when syndicating to Twitter photo posts!
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GWG
I need to do more alt text either way
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[tantek]
It's one of the parts of my photo publishing work flow that I'm still working on getting better at.
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[arush]
[tantek] I should have been more specific. If you use MB to crosspost, your alt text doesn't ride along. Wasn't sure if Bridgy Publish did, but since you're saying it does that's a really convincing reason to switch back to using that.
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[arush]
[tantek] ++
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Loqi
[tantek] has 18 karma in this channel over the last year (120 in all channels)
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[Rose]
And also a good feature request for Manton to implement
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[Rose]
Good morning(ish) all
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[tantek]
[arush] thank you. I’ve been very happy with Bridgy Publish support for posting images and once it got alt text support for syndicating it motivated me to update my own workflow and storage to always put alt text on my photo posts. Great work by snarfed++
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Loqi
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voxpelli
I'm sure there's a more indiewebby approach than this: https://twitter.com/voxpelli/status/1181199255366709248
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@voxpelli
So, kind of: * An RSS-based solution for supplying latest content (with WebSub/PubSubHubbub https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/) * Maybe a Sitemap to expose a TV channels full archive (https://www.sitemaps.org/) * OpenSearch to allow searching archive * A new TV hub API to store progress
(twitter.com/_/status/1181199255366709248)
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voxpelli
am thinking of how to recreate the TV app by Apple, as he realized that it wasn't at all as open as it seemed like
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[tantek]
IDK what the TV app by Apple even does
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voxpelli
[tantek]: it makes it possible to browse shows from many different streaming apps + syncs ones progress between ones devices without one having to have individual accounts with each app
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voxpelli
It's basically a feed reader but for streaming apps – so a stream show reader/browser
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sawebb287
voxpelli: [tantek] it also uses your TV Provider login to link across apps and show you shows and movies available on each network based on that.
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[tantek]
A stream reader!
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[schmarty]
i would really like something like this that lets me manage my "watch lists" across multiple services w/o creeping on me
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[grantcodes]
Not likely to happen because $
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[schmarty]
tbh i would be okay with managing my own to-watch list if i can fire titles (+ optional service, bonus w/ URL) into my own list.
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[grantcodes]
trakt.tv?
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[schmarty]
more like indietraktdottv.biz
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voxpelli
[grantcodes]: well, all of these decided to implement with Apple's TV app: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208083
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voxpelli
Netflix of course opposes, but apart from them, pretty much all streaming apps I use for TV shows implements it (YouTube doesn't either, but it's kind of a special case/different app)
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[grantcodes]
Well if there is one company with the $ and screens to do it, it is apple. I don't really know how the app works but I imagine the contracts and agreements must be crazy about how content is marketed especially against all the competing companies
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[grantcodes]
Also a good way to start when you have no original content. Once you have original content you can start cutting partnerships - à la netflix
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voxpelli
Well, the shows are still shown in every services own tool, locked down according to whatever monetization scheme they opt to use (eg. ads or subscription)
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voxpelli
So what you lose is basically: Data on how people browse your shows and, in case of not requiring users to log in, probably loss of personal tracking
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voxpelli
If you're not going crazy with data crunching so that the data in itself is worth lots of $$$ then you shouldn't really care where people find or track your shows – because they'll pay you anyhow
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cambridgeport90[
Quite good for what t does.
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voxpelli
I've fallen a bit behind on the latest and greatest in IndieWeb – what's your best way to keep up to date apart from IWC, HWC, IRC and news.indieweb?
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[jgmac1106]
irc/Slack and blog a bunch
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aaronpk
could watch the recordings of demos from recent IWCs
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aaronpk
and check out the session schedule and notes too
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voxpelli
true, good suggestion aaronpk
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@catvalente
Honestly? The internet became ubiquitous because it was profitable for it to do so. A lot of older or non-techy people got on board but kept to the easiest to use sites, sites designed to be fun without having to learn new skills Then those sites were inundated with bad actors. https://twitter.com/racheloddment/status/1181021818443812864
(twitter.com/_/status/1181218184277450752)
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Bitweasil
[KevinMarks], agree. Depressingly insightful.
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cambridgeport90[
This is random, but is anyone else having issues where on iOS, Indigenous just crashes the moment you select a channel?
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jbove
Is it too late to start a "2020-01-01 commitments" pledge in regards to the IndieWeb Challenge?
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KartikPrabhu
it's never too late unless it is after 2020-01-01 :P
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Caleb[m]1
aloha
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