#indieweb 2019-12-01

2019-12-01 UTC
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gRegorLove I'm poking through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Facebook and FB's own blog links from 2006 don't work now
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[Michael_Beckwit how rude of them
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v0idx64Discord[m lmao, that's ironc
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v0idx64Discord[m *ironic
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[Michael_Beckwit eh, maybe
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[Michael_Beckwit it’s FB, they don’t give an F
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takev[m] FB is squarely in the move fast and break things camp.
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[chrisaldrich] takev, I think you're somewhere near the San Diego area, so if you've not been officially invited, to the upcoming HWC, here are the details: https://indieweb.org/events/2019-12-11-homebrew-website-club#San_Diego_.28new.21.29
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takev[m] Thank you! I'll see about attending. :)
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GWG We also have a San Francisco event this coming weekend... only a short flight or train ride away
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takev[m] I'll have to see! Attending stuff can be difficult, as I'm working on getting my license back after fainting, so I'm entirely public transit dependent.
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jacky what is challenge
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Loqi challenge is an event-like post which serves as a (typically open) invitation for people to post achievements towards some goal, like running a total distance, or posting photos at some frequency (every day), supported by silos like Strava and micro.blog https://indieweb.org/challenge
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jacky not what I expected tbh
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jacky what is indieweb challenge
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Loqi The IndieWeb Challenge is to collectively ship something IndieWeb-related that benefits the community, people in addition to yourself, every day of December! https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Challenge
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "My IndieWeb Challenge!" https://v2.jacky.wtf//post/indieweb-challenge-2019
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Ambitions for 2020: A IndieWeb Look" https://v2.jacky.wtf//post/indieweb-2020
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jacky what is reply context
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Loqi A reply context is the display of what a reply post is in reply to, including linking to that original post with in-reply-to markup, showing some amount of that original post like author name, icon, summary / ellipsed content, and datetime published https://indieweb.org/reply-context
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jacky what are comments
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Loqi Comments are displayed in the context of an original post, and may be a mix of syndicated reply posts from other sites received via Webmention, as well as locally created comments https://indieweb.org/comments
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "My IndieWeb Challenge 2020 aspirations" https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/3640-My-IndieWeb-Challenge-2020-aspirations
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GWG Morning all
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dhanesh95 GWG: Morning
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb (even though it is past teatime here).
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GWG jeremycherfas: We've reviewed that prior.
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GWG What is Universal Greeting Time?
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Loqi Universal Greeting Time is the convention of greeting people in online chat with "good morning" regardless of the local time of day of either person https://indieweb.org/Universal_Greeting_Time
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jeremycherfas I am aware of that, just decided to amplify my status for context.
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aaronpk Tea time is important context
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jeremycherfas Thank you fo vaildating me.
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jeremycherfas Is there a tool for checking auto-discovery of feeds? I am offering Atom, RSS and json on my site, but Newsblur seems to just pick the first.
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jacky which one is that (if you mind?)
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jacky because I wonder if newsblur is just opting for the first or picking a format it likes
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jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas You mean my url? https://jeremycherfas.net
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jacky nah the feed it peeks
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jeremycherfas Oh sorry, yes, Newsblur seems to pick the first.
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jacky is it the atom one?
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jeremycherfas It is the atom one.
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jacky hm yeah
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jacky there's also a chance it might not be parsing the other ones
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jacky you could try removing the references (unless it has your site cached in which case, if the atom feed still resolves, it might use it)
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jeremycherfas I can force the others, by giving Newsblur the full url, but I'm interested in how it presents to others. That is, I want to know how someone else might see the feeds I am presenting in the <head>
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jacky ah like a preview
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jacky no idea iirc
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jeremycherfas Hey ho. Not that important.
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jeremycherfas Thanks anyway jacky
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jacky totally
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jacky this is kinda topical for me anyhow
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[Rose] Aperture is a good way to do this! Let me log into my account
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[Rose] Aperture tells me you have microformats, json, atom and RSS
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jeremycherfas Whoa! Thank you [Rose]++
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Loqi [Rose] has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (66 in all channels)
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[Rose] NetNewsWire auto resolved to https://jeremycherfas.net/blog.json
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jeremycherfas Also acceptable.
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[Rose] But as Brent is one of the authors of the JSON feed spec that makes sense
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[Rose] Feedly shows me three options, but only shows (JSON) after one of them so I can’t tell which is which. I presume one is atom and one is RSS, but you know what they say about assumptions
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GWG Aperture prioritizes mf feeds firs5
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jeremycherfas That's interesting re Feedly. But yes, they are the same ones that Aperture is telling you about. Minus, microformats.
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jacky what is micro.blog
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Loqi Micro.blog is a website and social service started by Manton Reece, which natively supports IndieWeb building-blocks like microformats2, Webmention, and Micropub https://indieweb.org/Micro.blog
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jacky but not microsub, no?
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[Rose] I thought I remembered Manton adding support for that
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[Rose] https://indieweb.org/Microsub#Servers
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[Rose] I was right!
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aaronpk yea!
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jacky hmmm
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jacky conducts a test
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[Rose] https://help.micro.blog/2017/indiewebcamp/
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[Rose] > WebSub: Micro.blog can subscribe to blogs using WebSub to receive real-time notifications for when a blog post is published.
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[Rose] > Microsub: IndieWeb readers like Monocle and Together can be used to read your Micro.blog timeline and mentions.
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jacky welp I'm not following the
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jacky I figure that I couldn't use my micro.blog account to log into Quill
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jacky unless actually
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aaronpk you can if you have a hosted micro.blog
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jacky is tempted to test it by paying for one
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jacky but there's no real need
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jacky at least not right now
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aaronpk plenty of people do it, I get feature requests/bug reports from them all the time :)
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[Rose] Manton did say if developers of IW stuff need a test account they should contact him
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[Rose] I have a test account for testing Shortcuts stuff (which I need to post, but I’m editing a book right now!)
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[Rose] Ooh, I just figured out how to get IW into the book!
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[Rose] Aaron, would it be possible/a good idea, to enable the opening of the Read More link in Monocle to open in a new tab? Currently I middle click on lots of read mores, and end up with the current channel open in a new tab and no idea what I meant to read. Of course, I can change my behaviour to click on the date/time, but I would like to have a single article view in Monocle I think (so I can reply right there)
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aaronpk Interesting
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[Rose] I thought it worth mentioning, at least to think about.
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aaronpk I use the read more to expand inline all the time. Maybe I could make two buttons there? One that expands the post, the other that's a link to the original that opens in a new window?
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[Rose] Well, I can get to the original. What I want is one article in Monocole.
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[Rose] And the ability to spell.
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aaronpk Oh I see what you mean hmm
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[Rose] So I have all the tools available to me.
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[Rose] I think it should be possible. The question is if it’s worth implementing.
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gRegorLove I would be +1 on the permalink on the date opening in new tab
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[Rose] I middle click that right now to get that effect, but I would also +1 it
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aaronpk I generally assume people do their own tab/window management, but maybe that is not right
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gRegorLove Same, I middle click so I can go either way on it. I generally agree, I stopped target=_blank on external links in my articles quite a while ago.
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[Rose] I think I need to open an issue on the “single article view within Monocle” idea. Open in new tab is a separate issue.
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gRegorLove Sorry for the tangent :)
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[Rose] It’s also worth discussing!
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aaronpk indeed
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sknebel also always the option of combinations
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sknebel i.e. click infolds in-stream, open in new tab goes to single-post view
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[Rose] Issue opened: https://github.com/aaronpk/Monocle/issues/43
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Loqi [RosemaryOrchard] #43 Single Article View
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aaronpk 👍
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[Rose] If I get time and no-one says “this is terrible for a good reason” (and tells me the reason) I’ll look at working on it over the holiday break 🙂
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Zegnat Hi IndieWeb! Actually on my way to bed but thought I would quickly put this on the record: I am going to try my hand at an IndieWeb Challenge-esque thing. Started day one exploring completely new (to me) technology for putting a static site only. https://kronkels.licit.li/first-advent/
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[snarfed] zegnat++
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[snarfed] re micro.blog and indieweb support, i _so_ can't wait for [manton] to add webmention sending from original posts as well as replies. (https://github.com/microdotblog/issues/issues/75#issuecomment-459856232)
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Loqi [aaronpk] It sounds like this has been mostly implemented? https://www.manton.org/2018/10/09/webmention-improvements-on.html > Previously, Micro.blog would discard replies that could not be associated with an existing user. Now, these replies will be inc...
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[snarfed] that's pretty much the only thing left before we can recommend micro.blog as a complete, hosted indieweb solution that's easy for non-technical people to learn and use. https://indieweb.org/web_hosting#Custom_domain_silos
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[snarfed] so close!
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mblaney complete is a big call snarfed, I would say being able to follow external people is an important indieweb feature too :-)