#indieweb 2019-12-07

2019-12-07 UTC
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chrisaldrich I'll admit I did just have a quirky little laugh when I noticed that https://pin13.net/ is part of the IndieWeb Ring. It's the small things... ;)
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[KevinMarks] Whoah, chrome just automatically translated marinin's posts into English
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vika_nezrimaya Do I really need to add u-syndication to https://news.indieweb.org/en when syndicating to it or will a simple mention suffice?
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vika_nezrimaya u-syndication is for copies of a link, not the link itself
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Loqi hey vika_nezrimaya, we try to keep dev talk out of this channel, can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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vika_nezrimaya it's not that dev-y, Loqi, I'm just questioning the markup
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gRegorLove u-syndication or u-category, because you're syndicating your post to indienews
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vika_nezrimaya might need to patch my software for that >.<
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vika_nezrimaya and I'm already deploying
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vika_nezrimaya my deploys are so slow
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vika_nezrimaya So I just had a good idea (I think it's a good idea) for a fun IndieWeb event and I wanted to blog about it so expect a post once I patch my software!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Proposal for #IndieWeb website swap day/week/event" https://fireburn.ru/posts/1575699017
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aaronpk It requires explicit markup otherwise any time people talked about that site online the posts would show up there
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vika_nezrimaya Wow, that was quick!
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aaronpk including the chat logs mentioning it!
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vika_nezrimaya ok I'll be monitoring my webmentions inbox and IRC for comments so please feel free to comment here or reply
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vika_nezrimaya Love you all IndieWeb <3
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aaronpk omg this is a fun idea hehe
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vika_nezrimaya but now I have to go 'cause I'm late for college!!!
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aaronpk vika++
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Loqi vika has 1 karma over the last year
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vika_nezrimaya :3
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vika_webgirl Hey I'm back logged in from my phone
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vika_webgirl chat
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vika_webgirl chat.indieweb
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vika_webgirl Isvamazing and I makr too many typos sorry
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jacky oh this is interesting re: website swaps!
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[grantcodes] https://bookmarkos.com/every-bookmark-manager-ever-made/ for those who like bookmark managers
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jackyalcine okay cool
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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marinin[t] good morning jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas Hello marinin[t]
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GWG Morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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jeremycherfas Good luck with IWC SF
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[jgmac1106] Good luck tantek, gwg
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GWG You too, [jgmac1106]
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chrisaldrich What is bookmark?
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Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indieweb.org/bookmark
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chrisaldrich bookmark << https://bookmarkos.com/every-bookmark-manager-ever-made/ list of bookmark managers by category
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Loqi ok, I added "https://bookmarkos.com/every-bookmark-manager-ever-made/ list of bookmark managers by category" to the "See Also" section of /bookmark https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=66980&oldid=64947
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cambridgeport90[ I am just wondering. We have probably went over this before several times, but when writing a post regarding the IndieWeb from anywhere, I can sometimes get loqi to post it up here for you guys. One time a tweet was captured. I posted one yesterday, which will probably have a continuation today. Did you guys miss it?
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dietricha @t we are outside!
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dietricha [tantek]: *
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[jgmac1106] cambridgeport90 not sure if aaronpk turned off the bot from Twitter or if it needs a kick in the tires. I haven't seen tweets in meta in a bit
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aaronpk the twitter api is a bit finicky
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[jgmac1106] yeah wondered if twitter itself cut it off...they really do not want people posting/polling by search
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cambridgeport90[ <[jgmac1106] "yeah wondered if twitter itself "> I wonder whether or not Twitter realises what they broke by doing that.
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[jgmac1106] they have been doing it for years, silos gonna silo
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cambridgeport90[ On a different subject totally, though. What are the rules around here regarding changing the tld of your URL? I changed form .net to .org so that .net could be used internally for Active Directory. Do I need to just update my wiki page and H-Card?
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gRegorLove cambridgeport90[, when you sign in with the new domain, the wiki will create a new User: page for it. You can migrate the content from your old user page and redirect it
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cambridgeport90[ Thanks. I don't have much on my page, though, rather unfortunately. I have never quite mastered trhe tremplates for it. I need to go dig up Mediawiki's docs, then, methinks.
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cambridgeport90[ * Thanks. I don't have much on my page, though, rather unfortunately. I have never quite mastered the templates for it. I need to go dig up Mediawiki's docs, then, methinks.
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gRegorLove What is redirect?
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Loqi A redirect is a way to automatically make one page on this wiki load another page https://indieweb.org/redirect
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gRegorLove IWC SF is starting. https://zoom.us/j/4955358768 If you join, please mute your microphone.
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GWG Will be narrating the intros/keynote/etc in here
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GWG Pronoun pins are provided
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GWG adactio.com is doing the keynote
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GWG The main thing is you have a website.
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GWG That idea in itself, at one point, it was perfectly normal and is now downright disruptive
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GWG "Have your own website...it's good...it's fun. It does not need to be serious you can have fun with it."
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GWG Bring the fun back to the web!!
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GWG adactio begins to demo his site
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GWG He's been blogging since 2001
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GWG Someone didn't mute their microphone
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GWG adactio treats IWC as 'selfish' me time
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GWG Adactio does 'silly' things with his archives during IWCs
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GWG He is inspired by doing it with other people
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GWG Round of applause
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GWG tantek returns to the stage.
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GWG tantek.com, dual SSL/http
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GWG Just posted a note that he was at IWC SF
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GWG He cross-posts to Twitter
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GWG Links back to original post
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GWG None of these silos had sequential navigation....so he implemented arrow keys
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GWG He thinks your site should work without JS
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GWG Next up is jensimmons.com
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GWG Bought this domain in 2000+-
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GWG Didn't have 50 in the 90s.
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GWG First email, then hand coded
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GWG Then learned flash
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GWG Moved to PHL, realized Flash didn't run, et.
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[tantek] $50
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GWG Gave up, switched to Blogger...wordpress...
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GWG Thought a lot about what she was putting there
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GWG Got a lot of ---- being a woman in tech
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GWG Website seems to have a purpose and not about her specifically.
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GWG Does not like the chromebook
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GWG Had a drupal site and got hacked, etc
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GWG Site is Eleventy.
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GWG Plan is to build a blog, self-discover...still has not done it 7 years later.
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GWG Maybe she'll do something..
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GWG Applause
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GWG Next up...
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GWG johnbnelson.com
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GWG John Nelson
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GWG His page is HTML3 friendly
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GWG During dissertation procrastination, thoughts.johnbnelson.com....
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GWG All jupiter notebooks
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GWG Also had syndication vi beaker and DAT
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GWG Forgot this existed and things are broken
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GWG Hopes to fix it tomorrow
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GWG Next up
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GWG Dietrich is up, working on IPFS
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GWG Spent over a quarter of life working for Mozilla
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GWG barbiecake.com was first site, but got cease and desist order from Mattel.
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GWG Current site is metafluff.com
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GWG Wants to migrate to eleventy
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GWG Current stack is unsupported
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GWG Hopes to do a responsive SVG hero image
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GWG Clapping
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GWG Next up..
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GWG Jacky is at jacky.wtf
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GWG Has dramatic thoughtful image on front of site.
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GWG Has a pre-contact questionnaire on his contact page.
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GWG Working on fortress.ngrok.io, which is IndieAuthish
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GWG Log in as You
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GWG "This is you, this is your domain, let's bring them together
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GWG Clapping
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GWG Bradley Allen is up
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GWG Also on eleventy
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GWG bradleyallen.info
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[tantek] [lot of eleventy sites]
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GWG Realized he doesn't know how it works.
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GWG Used to rolling his own
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GWG Quotes, "Comprehension before Configuration"
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GWG Trying to back up to understand before proceeding
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GWG Does not want to be anti-JS, but believes you should be able to run a site without it
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GWG He does not syndicate to anyone...Twitter is beneath him....
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GWG He knows how things used to be, he knows how things are...wants to connect directly
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marinin[m] Sites that don’t require JS are easier to mirror and backup, IMO, you can wget it and have a complete content copy
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[tantek] He just wants to be connected to you and you and you , directly
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GWG Just over the past few days...thinking of going back....BBEdit...
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GWG Getting up to modern CSS...
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[Rose] BBEdit is awesome!
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GWG These things were his strengths...but he just want to see us
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GWG Indiewebify.me is great
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GWG Bridgy is great, and is cool, but...why is he doing this
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GWG Person to person
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gRegorLove up next: GWG
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gRegorLove https://david.shanske.com/
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dietricha David Shanske
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dietricha Puts map locations on his website
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dietricha Altitude, weather, timezone
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[tantek] This is my website, it is functional
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[tantek] I use it to post all sorts of things
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dietricha Lots of location work
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[tantek] Like checkins via Swarm and OwnYourSwarm
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dietricha Also doing all the video for this event
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[tantek] location changes the timezone of his published posts automatically
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GWG He returns to his chair
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[tantek] up next Benjamin
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[Rose] I need to set up the location changing the timezone automatically part this weekend 😄
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GWG Trying to find his user page
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[tantek] he just did this earlier today
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GWG [Rose]: It should just work.
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[tantek] trying to register for the indiewebcamp
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GWG benjamin.dekosnik.com
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[tantek] Benjamin De Kosnik
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GWG Main art website and works for Mozilla.
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GWG Also does a reserch project at Berkeley called alpha60.co
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GWG Linked to a git repository
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GWG Put all this on the wiki but couldn't find it
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GWG Looking for ideas for a new project, a website for intellectuals....seeing where women intellectuals in the art field who don't have a web presence....wants to entice them with a socil hook on a free backend
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GWG Just scoping the situation at IWC and letting ideas percolate
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GWG Clap
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[tantek] up next
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[tantek] j12t
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GWG Set up a new site, which is not his personal site, but he hopes we like it
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GWG project-springtime.org
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GWG Open Source style hydroponics
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GWG Pictures of green stuff
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dietricha documentation = easy cloning
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GWG One was dinner
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dietricha vegetables taste amazing
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GWG Giving a sales pitch for eating your vegetables
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GWG Let's say you want to document your hydroponics system...
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GWG Shows his hydroponics rig
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GWG Hooking up an ESP32 and PI to monitor
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GWG Shows parts lists, with drawings.
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dietricha it's hard to publish anything on the web that is a technical drawing
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dietricha svg is too complicated to edit
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GWG Simplified Computer ided Drafting, built Draftingjs.gitlab.io to describe diagrams
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GWG Clapping
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GWG Attendee just bought analogik.com
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GWG Nothing is there, but it is the Future Home of Something Cool
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GWG We are now in Session Planning
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GWG Or 3 minutes to
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dietricha Tantek is describing re-usable sticky pads that stick to things using static electricity
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j12t https://etherpad.indieweb.org/polycroppingsocial
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GWG Webmentions starting in the Red room
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cambridgeport90[ <GWG "Giving a sales pitch for eating "> Yes. they do.
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cambridgeport90[ What are the [] syntax surrounding some people's names in here?
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gRegorLove They're Slack users
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cambridgeport90[ Do you need to include that when mentioning in order for the mention to be visible?
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk And probably avoid whatever matrix or discord is doing with the quoted text block since it'll look annoying in the push notification if ppl have that set up
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cambridgeport90[ Good to know. Thanks, and I am surprised that I didn't know that. So basically just write the name in mentions the way it displays and I should be good? I tried to send a mention to jacky earlier, but not sure if he saw it, for instance.
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gRegorLove I think jacky has been on the webchat today so far, as jackyalcine
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chrisaldrich what is webmention.app/?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "webmention.app/" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "webmention.app/ is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich what is webmention.app?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "webmention.app" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "webmention.app is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich webmention.app is Webmention#webmention.app
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Loqi ok
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GWG chrisaldrich: Want to turn on your camera?
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chrisaldrich GWG: I'm a bit bandwidth limited atm.
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GWG Just wanted to make sure it works, but okay
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gRegorLove Reputation and Subjective Web session etherpad: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/subweb
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GWG gRegorLove: So the recording is working? Good
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GWG chrisaldrich: Can you hear though?
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chrisaldrich Got great audio. Video is mediocre, but it's definitely my end, not yours.
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GWG Great
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GWG We have a video issue.
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GWG The size of the room vs the camera.
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GWG The controls for the Mozilla cameras are locked up
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gRegorLove A+V are good for me in that session^
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GWG Great
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[KevinMarks] https://www.instagram.com/p/B5v3SfwBzhn/?igshid=1swryu5e9z8sq
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Loqi [Becks] I was SO proud of my Neopets guild…the day I learned how to do scrolling text was almost as exciting as the day I beat my high score on Meerca Chase II… Do you miss the days of customizable pages where you could force your own music on whoever vi... https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/s1080x1080/74602356_489664124985249_1206833818217374609_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=109&oh=5ff1d3259dd297aab3226c2c9ab18393&oe=5E68F09B
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chrisaldrich GWG++ for teaching etherpad in real time
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Loqi GWG has 22 karma in this channel over the last year (144 in all channels)
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chrisaldrich Who is Andi Galpern?
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j12t Why has my user ID on the indieweb.org changed from User:Upon2020.com to User:Upon2020.com_blog_author_jernst ?
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j12t *wiki
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gRegorLove j12t, hm? https://indieweb.org/User:Upon2020.com works for me
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aaronpk that's the indieauth url your site is reporting
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gRegorLove ohh
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gRegorLove Yeah, looks like a WordPress author URL
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aaronpk (slashes change to underscores because mediawiki)
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aaronpk i have a feeling there is someone there in SF who might be able to help provide more detail about wordpress related things :)
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j12t gRegorLove: the page is still there, but when I log in with the same domain, the user id has changed, so it looks like I'm now using a different account than previously
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j12t aaronpk: so you think that my site is asserting a different user id?
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gRegorLove hehe, and I think we might have just sent that person two notifications by mentioning the magic word :)
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j12t Oh, sorry, you just said that.
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gRegorLove chrisaldrich, can you mute your mic?
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chrisaldrich sorry, gRegorLove, I fixed it before I saw this...
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gRegorLove np!
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gRegorLove Wasn't too noisy, just some bg sounds
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chrisaldrich A small monkey shifted my settings when I walked away for a minute... ;)
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[Michael_Beckwit explains the banana peels
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gRegorLove haha
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gRegorLove No video yet for Zoom Red?
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chrisaldrich should be up gRegorLove...
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gRegorLove I'm talking :shrug:
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gRegorLove Guess you cant hear me
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gRegorLove I followed Ben's algorithm for building potential vouchers
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gRegorLove *vouches
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chrisaldrich gRegorLove, I can hear you, but I suspect their sound is either off or very low....
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gRegorLove GWG^
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GWG I'm not sure what is going on with the audio, but I'm afraid of fiddling more with the Mozilla podium wihtout a problem
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GWG I'll have to relay
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chrisaldrich sorry adactio, I unearthed XEN recently and may have shined some light on it...
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chrisaldrich What is 🤦?
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Loqi Facepalm or 🤦 is a gesture in which the palm of one's hand is brought to one's face, typically as an expression of disbelief, shame, or exasperation https://indieweb.org/%F0%9F%A4%A6
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[tantek] wow