#indieweb 2019-12-08

2019-12-08 UTC
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gRegorLove copywriting is in Red Room instead of Orange; updated the schedule
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chrisaldrich thanks gRegor!
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chrisaldrich GWG, is there a way to get that camera to autofocus on the whiteboard?
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gRegorLove Zoom charges extra for no blur
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GWG No manual focus option, but I'll be taking a picture at the end.
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chrisaldrich There are lots of content farmers, but somehow not enough content weeders.
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aaronpk aren't those called "influencers"?
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chrisaldrich I thought influencers were snake oil salespeople selling you things you likely don't need and that don't work for what you want them for.
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gRegorLove Brennan Novak wrote original indiewebify.me iirc
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gRegorLove GWG^
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[KevinMarks] Influencers are content fertilizers. Not as good as organic growth, and if you overuse them your content smells like steer manure.
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chrisaldrich kevinmarks++
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Loqi kevinmarks has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (49 in all channels)
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chrisaldrich Signing off for a bit. Thanks IWC-SF for some great live streaming today!
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chrisaldrich GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (146 in all channels)
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[KevinMarks] https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/3602005082/in/photolist-6uidBU-2oBBA7
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[KevinMarks] Most social silos are discontent farmers
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[jgmac1106] IRC messages that should be blog posts...
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[KevinMarks] They have a permalink with an h-entry
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[jgmac1106] Good point
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[KevinMarks] https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-12-08/1575766004863600
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Loqi [[KevinMarks]] Influencers are content fertilizers. Not as good as organic growth, and if you overuse them your content smells like steer manure.
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[jgmac1106] And pic from 2009
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[jgmac1106] kevinmarks++
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Loqi kevinmarks has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (50 in all channels)
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[KevinMarks] I have deep cuts on this http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/02/be-organic-not-viral.html?m=1
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[KevinMarks] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-not-to-be-viral.html
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[KevinMarks] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2009/11/well-be-fruitful-virile-and-fertile.html
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chrisaldrich KevinMarks with the commonplace book FTW
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GWG Excited to go back to the room and Indieweb hack
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GWG After food
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[email096] Hello and thank you for everyone helping out and participating remotely.
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jacky cambridgeport90[: hey! sorry, I forgot I had IRC on my phone but `jacky` will work!
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jacky I'm going to unwind for a bit and then probably start hacking a bit preemptively for my demo tomorrow
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jacky if anyone else is down to just bounce ideas off / wanna collab, I'll be around at like 9:30 PM PST
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GWG I am grabbing a sandwich and will be going back to the room to hack as well
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] Good morning
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Loqi greetings human
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jeremycherfas Hey Greg o/
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GWG_ Hello
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jeremycherfas Hello GWG. What will you be hacking on today?
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GWG_ My computer.
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GWG_ But I have some options
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jeremycherfas Other people's computers?
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[jgmac1106] hoping to finish my notes feed today...just not sure if should break it up by month or just do 10 notes per page
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GWG_ I had a micro.blog project in mind, but there was an alternative proposal based on a session
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vika_nezrimaya [jgmac1106]: depends on if you're able to render and stream notes asynchronously or you need to dump them all
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[jgmac1106] moving to dev really just worried about page size, and I don't know how to really do anything it is all manual copy and pasting
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[jgmac1106] Finally got my year in review from Firefox: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/flashback/
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[tantek] wow I'm pretty happy we did that
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[tantek] what is year in review
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Loqi Year in Review is a feature on some silos (like Facebook) as well as being a special kind of article on some IndieWeb sites that summarizes important aspects of the past year https://indieweb.org/year_in_review
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[tantek] I'll let someone else add it if they think it's worthy/notable enough
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[jgmac1106] year_in_review << https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/flashback/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/flashback/" to the "See Also" section of /year_in_review https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67075&oldid=66779
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[jgmac1106] h/t to Doug Belsahw for sharing in another Slack
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "In the Beginning was the Website" https://desmondrivet.com/2019/12/08/intro-to-indie-web (from https://aaronparecki.com/2019/12/08/5/)
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GWG_ Remote attendees for IWC SF, the Red Room is up for you to remote in. It is not recorded, so just for companionship/togetherness
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generativist I'm unable to make it today in SF. I'm gonna hack on a crawler that lets me explore the way I'm used to exploring: https://github.com/jbn/indie_crawl
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Loqi [jbn] indie_crawl: Experiments in understanding the IndieWeb
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GWG_ generativist: If you have Zoom, you can remote in for the togetherness
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GWG_ https://zoom.us/j/4955358768
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generativist ah cool, thanks. let me go find an ipad
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[jgmac1106] I may step in it is finals week so lot of feedback to record and doing client work on how to make effective micro lecture videos
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[snarfed] [generativist] cool! i assume you've seen https://indiemap.org/ ?
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML with microformats2. Social graph API and interac...
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generativist oh wow -- no, I had not. hrm,,,
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GWG_ [jgmac1106]: You can go in and out
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GWG_ You can even mute
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generativist that's a fantastic resource! I *think* what I'm doing is still useful. If I'm reading this correctly (quickly) that's stale since 2017?
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[snarfed] true! recrawling would take effort, but definitely doable. i can definitely consider it; I've been waiting until i see meaningful usage first
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[snarfed] it should generally still be relevant though, for everything except absolute numbers, and even those don't really apply since there's no hard definition or boundary
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generativist yea. to be perfectly honest, it's also a two-birds one-stone thing. I need to learn elasticsearch for a different project
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generativist although I'm using dgraph intensively for another project, so I may make use of your graph data soon, too
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generativist (I did appreciate your xargs/wget approach ;)
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gRegorLove o/ IWC SF. Audio in red room is really robotic sounding
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gRegorLove Sounding better now
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GWG_ gRegorLove: Yes, I can fiddle with it as needed
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gRegorLove I'll drop in closer to demos
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[jgmac1106] snarfed "I've been waiting until i see meaningful usage first" you have a team at Mozilla researching "Why people IndieWeb" I showed them indiemap.org I know they..and I for my academic research, would love updated data sets
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[tantek] snarfed, what [jgmac1106] said
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[tantek] still think an annual update would be really helpful. if it's a $ issue I think we could probably use some opencollective $ for it and it would be appreciated by the community
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generativist snarfed's methodology is a lot more robust then the one i'm hacking on, but I'm hoping to use this as a first draft for something I need to build for another project anyway
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generativist so hopefully i'll have a dynamic/continous one soon
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generativist really curious about decay rates in this community
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[tantek] decay rates of what?
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chrisaldrich Good morning campers!
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chrisaldrich I thought I'd spend some time hacking between kid's soccer games today.
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chrisaldrich I often feel like I'm fighting a decay rate of using just one CMS and wanting to try out, switch to, or hack on others... :)
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generativist err, sorry — permlinks
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[jgmac1106] not decay, just rhizomatic growth going in different directions and different rates....I like playing with all the things...
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GWG_ Just noticed the Red Room was off, so I turned it back on.
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gRegorLove Demos still at l33t o'clock?
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chrisaldrich sarahdillon, if you need help doing WordPress to Micro.blog, I'm happy to help you with ideas. GWG is hacking on something today that may give you an additional option.
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[snarfed] the indiemap repo has instructions for rerunning the crawl. it's a medium sized project, but not huge. totally doable on the average home internet plan without hitting caps or quotas. I'm happy to help anyone who wants to try!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Re: Proposal for #IndieWeb website swap day/week/event" https://beesbuzz.biz/blog/chatter/5913-Re-Proposal-for-IndieWeb-website-swap-day-week-event
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gRegorLove IWC SF demos starting soon
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gRegorLove All these demos are going to be beyond l33t
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vika_nezrimaya hm... do you think I'll break the Russian law if I add a pride flag icon to every post that has the word "gay" in it?
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vika_nezrimaya 'cause I can certainly do that; the post type icon dispatcher just parses post properties
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GWG_ Demos are starting.
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gRegorLove up first: adactio
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generativist i have to run out unexpectedly. will they be recorded?
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gRegorLove adactio.com
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GWG_ Yes
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GWG_ I am recording in multiple ways
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generativist great, thanks!
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vika_nezrimaya oh so this is why it's so silent here!
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gRegorLove added some more context to his journal (blog) posts
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gRegorLove related posts, previous: things written on the same day
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gRegorLove shows an example that links to 5 years ago, 11 years ago, 13 years ago
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gRegorLove what is on this day?
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Loqi on this day is a feature on some silos and indieweb sites which show posts published on the current (typically Gregorian) day of the year in previous years; commons sites tend to show more general historical events that occurred on that same day https://indieweb.org/on_this_day
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gRegorLove up next: GWG
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gRegorLove david.shanske.com
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gRegorLove working on micropub syndication to micro.blog
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gRegorLove shows a micro.blog syndication link on his post
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gRegorLove up next: david bryant
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gRegorLove url?
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gRegorLove got started with Eleventy on his site with help of Jen
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GWG_ It's loving-jang-6499c1.netlify.com
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gRegorLove up next: tantek
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gRegorLove worked on improving offline support
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gRegorLove loads the page over https so service worker loads
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gRegorLove caches at least homepage and a couple other pages
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gRegorLove now turns off the network
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GWG_ gRegorLove: Do you have a demo, by the way?
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gRegorLove (sure)
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gRegorLove clicks a permalink while offline, it shows a message about not being cachedd
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gRegorLove turns wifi back on, reloads
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gRegorLove browses a bunch of pages
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gRegorLove not sure how long it takes on chromebook to cache each page. in theory each nav should be caching
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gRegorLove turns wifi back off
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gRegorLove goes back to previous post, shows a list of pages it cached (?)
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gRegorLove it did actually cache quite a few pages
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gRegorLove thanks to adactio for help
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gRegorLove gregorlove.com/follow/
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[tantek] gRegorLove is demonstrating
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[tantek] goal to get off Facebook by the end of the year
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[tantek] worked on getting an email subscription working (to his site)
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[tantek] ability to subscribe by email to several of his feed coming soon!
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[tantek] and other places you can follow him (not FB)
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gRegorLove I also worked on some behind the scenes stuff for the email subscription, login with one-time password
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gRegorLove up next: Johannes Ernst {{j12t}}
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gRegorLove url?
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gRegorLove showing responsive design, logo getting smaller as narrowed
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gRegorLove some Hugo work (missed some of this demo, backfill plz)
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GWG_ ubos.net/apps
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GWG_ But he is offline somewhat
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j12t My personal website: https://upon2020.com/
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gRegorLove up next: Bradley Allen
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gRegorLove http://bradleyallen.info/
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gRegorLove was going through the wiki, partially to see if he could follow it, anything I'm stuck with
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gRegorLove has beginning of an h-card
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gRegorLove section for latest posts
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gRegorLove has a question about p-summary
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gRegorLove t: "everything is optional" (with microformats)
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gRegorLove needs to template-ize, could be Eleventy or something else
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gRegorLove room chatter about HTML details
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[tantek] goodness sakes live code feedback
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gRegorLove dougbeal|imac, have a demo?
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[tantek] up next: Jen SImmons
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[tantek] Jen Simmons
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gRegorLove up next: Jen Simmons
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gRegorLove https://jensimmons.com/
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[tantek] showing a CSS Grid demo
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[tantek] problem with this demo right now is that it's not accessible
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[tantek] if you look the HTML, you'll see each letter wrapped in a span
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[tantek] feels ikcy, feels wrong
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[tantek] vague memory from a decade ago
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[tantek] shows Firefox Accessibility inspector
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[tantek] you have to turn it on
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[tantek] you can inspect accessibility properties
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[tantek] this heading is no longer the word graphic design but rather the individual letter g r a p h etc.
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[tantek] experimented with fixing this with ARIA roles
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[tantek] got a recommendation from Marco at Mozilla
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[tantek] put aria role="none" on each of the individual spans
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[tantek] it has the effect of removing those span letters
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[tantek] all those span containers are gone, now its just text leafs of the letters
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[tantek] not sure if a screenreader will do the right thing here
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[tantek] best way to do it would be rewrite the HTML
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[tantek] put aria-hidden = true on the individual letters
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[tantek] and aria-label on the heading itself
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[tantek] Accessibility inspector helps you see what's going on with ARIA etc.
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[tantek] it is off by default, you have to turn it on which activates the whole accessibility engine
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dougbeal|imac gRegorLove: nope
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[tantek] you can also check color contrast, color blindness etc.
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gRegorLove demos wrapped up!
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gRegorLove See you in 2020!
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gRegorLove GWG: mention upcoming IWCs? Austin in February
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chrisaldrich gRegorLove, I like that follow page. is it linked anywhere though? top menu or on your contact page?
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gRegorLove Not yet, brand new today
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chrisaldrich How did I manage to put my head down and not notice that demos were so early that I've missed them all?
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chrisaldrich thanks everyone for documenting and recording them for later...
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gRegorLove I have a follow button in the footer of articles and homepage, will probably start by replacing those.
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gRegorLove The links on my follow page use subtome as well, fall back to linking directly to the feeds if no javascript
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gRegorLove I was looking on the wiki for docs of follow pages like that but only seemed to find follow *posts*
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gRegorLove I looked at https://aaronparecki.com/follow as a reference though
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Loqi Aaron Parecki
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gRegorLove chrisaldrich, did you have a late demo?
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