#indieweb 2020-01-13

2020-01-13 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "unicyclic.com as a general purpose Microsub server" https://mblaney.xyz/2020-01-13-unicycliccom_as_a_general_purpose_Microsub_server
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chrisaldrich TIL, Tumblr apparently has a posting limit of 250/day
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chrisaldrich Tumblr << http://postlimit.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://postlimit.com/" to the "See Also" section of /Tumblr https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67864&oldid=64439
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pino1 ciao a tutti
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pino1 !lista
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aaronpk Cool idea https://twitter.com/devonzuegel/status/1216429108474732545?s=21
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@devonzuegel I'd love for a feature that allowed close friends to moderate your feed before it gets to you It's much less upsetting to see unwarranted rudeness directed at someone else. A close friend would know how to filter the worst of it on your behalf without as strong an emotional hit (twitter.com/_/status/1216429108474732545)
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[tantek] silo quits << thread of a bunch: https://twitter.com/hamillhimself/status/1216482695061966848
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@HamillHimself So disappointed that #MarkZuckerberg values profit more than truthfulness that I've decided to delete my @Facebook account. I know this is a big "Who Cares?" for the world at large, but I'll sleep better at night. #PatriotismOverProfits 🇲🇾>💰 https://nyti.ms/30cPqKG (twitter.com/_/status/1216482695061966848)
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Loqi ok, I added "thread of a bunch: https://twitter.com/hamillhimself/status/1216482695061966848" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67865&oldid=67528
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[davidmead] I feel these “name” quits are a doubled-edged sword sometimes. They seem to just go all in on another platform (Twitter, Instagram) or bow out of the web completely. This gives rise to “unofficial fan page” where most people will follow instead.
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[generativist] Good morning, folks. Obviously I'm going to comply but can I have a bit of background on why `robots.txt` disallows `Special:ActiveUsers` ?
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aaronpk catch-all for the mediawiki special pages which tend to be infinitely long and are not actually our wiki content
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[tantek] [generativist] see also Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown (re your tweet about drawbridge)
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[generativist] [tantek] that's the perfect image
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[generativist] [aaronpk] so would a targeted scrapy via scrapy for a crawl (sorta like indie-map, I think) be permissable?
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aaronpk yeah it's just meant to keep away the bots that go rogue
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aaronpk and keep an eye on it to make sure you don't end up in an infinite loop
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[generativist] will do: this particular spider is just using User as a start_url seed
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[tantek] [generativist] I have a vague recollection of maybe [benatwork] posting about this (using the Lucy football metaphor) many years ago but not sure how to find it
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chrisaldrich There's also another aspect of the drawbridge piece that isn't captured in some cases.
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chrisaldrich In particular, in thinking about Twitter and their drawbridge. They spent all their early days getting the service to stay up and stable while allowing outsiders to create UI, functionality, and a large portion of their product. Then they were able to destroy the value for outsiders and buy up some of that infrastructure for pennies on the dollar.
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chrisaldrich It's one thing for the kid that owns the kickball to break up the game by taking their ball home because they don't like the the rules, but generally they can't take the entirety of the game home and enjoy it without the other participants.
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[generativist] [chrisaldrich] that's what blew me up a bit today. I've been researching the progression of twitter et al. and it's impossible for me to think what I've been building won't just get bulldozed on a whim
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[generativist] building a sandcastle on a private beach isn't super smart...
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chrisaldrich and doing it at low tide too...
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[generativist] yes...
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chrisaldrich [generativist] I was watching a documentary last night and thinking about that moderation case for famous users who could use agents/managers/etc. to moderate their comments for them...
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chrisaldrich I scribbled it into my IndieWeb notebook for future thought. It would be a nice feature for personal websites and could be an added reason for leaving social silos.
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[generativist] yea that's sorta where I may be going now. mine was going to be a secondary layer for twitter but with their recent iOS update (3d mute/block) and labs annotation system, they're just going to do something meh-enough to make mine irrelevant
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[generativist] At the last camp, [yo] seemed to be interested in moderation so this may be a more rewarding place to play
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chrisaldrich The IndieWeb definitely needs those sorts of functionality for future growth, so watch what they're doing closely. Might make for a great IndieWebCamp session.
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chrisaldrich This sort of thing could also be a valuable filter to build into a /reader or something like brid.gy as a top-level clearing house.
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chrisaldrich I know GWG was implementing vouch and a whitelist feature into webmentions for WordPress recently. Not sure if he's thought through the next few levels of what that might look like.
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GWG chrisaldrich: It was there. It just seems to be conflicting
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chrisaldrich GWG, did you get it working? Need more tests?
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GWG chrisaldrich: It seems to be a Semantic Linkbacks Webmentions conflict. Easier to fix by removing the duplicative code.
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@jf Twitter to Offer New Tools for App Developers https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0cWScpCYAAgN2m.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/524412388745818113)
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[tantek] hahaha found it on the /Twitter page: https://twitter.com/jf/status/524412388745818113
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Loqi rofl
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[tantek] adding alt text to that image in our wiki hopefully making it more discoverable
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[generativist] *Extremely* relatable content
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chrisaldrich comments << Remarkbox https://www.remarkbox.com/ a hosted comment system
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Loqi ok, I added "Remarkbox https://www.remarkbox.com/ a hosted comment system" to the "See Also" section of /comments https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67873&oldid=66126
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takev[m] Hmm, bridgy seems to be using the wrong target for backfeeding comments. Weird.
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aaronpk it might be sending it to multiple places
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aaronpk if you have specific questions i'd recommend filing an issue on github to look into it
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[snarfed] takev: or feel free to post details here and i can look
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aaronpk or that :)
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[tantek] Tweetstorm << Criticism (satire) https://twitter.com/timhwang/status/1216396096072835074
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@timhwang 1/ OK, time for a generic tweetstorm (twitter.com/_/status/1216396096072835074)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism (satire) https://twitter.com/timhwang/status/1216396096072835074" to the "See Also" section of /tweetstorm https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67879&oldid=64493
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aaronpk didn't want to assume synchronous communication :)
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[snarfed] totally ok aaropnk!
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chrisaldrich [tantk] it's not just that Tweetstorm, but some of the perfect satirical replies that demonstrate everything else in Twitter...
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[tantek] Tim has clever followers
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takev[m] [snarfed] Here is an example log. https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1578690688&key=agdicmlkLWd5cjYLEghSZXNwb25zZSIodGFnOnR3aXR0ZXIuY29tLDIwMTM6MTIxNTMzOTE3NDQyNjg5ODQzMgw
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takev[m] It looks like it is trying to backfeed an unrelated comment from the wrong platform. 0_0
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