#indieweb 2020-01-14

2020-01-14 UTC
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gRegorLove takev[m], I think those are Salmentions
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aaronpk bridgy sends webmentions from replies in a thread too
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aaronpk looking at that log, your first tweet has a chain of like 5 replies to it, and bridgy sends webmentions from each of them to the very top post
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gRegorLove as well as the post it's in-reply-to
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[KevinMarks] fragmention use case? https://twitter.com/tabatkins/status/1216872448051671042
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@tabatkins Oh dang, it looks like a number of specs are either relying on broken section autolinks accidentally, or are using section autolinks to link to <dfn>s. A chunk of these are about to break... (twitter.com/_/status/1216872448051671042)
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[tantek] not sure which are more fragile
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KartikPrabhu I don't think fragmentions should be used as a "permanent" link, since they will break when the content is edited
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KartikPrabhu in fact just realised that my marginalia will also break if I edit the content :P
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[tantek] I wonder if that could be mitigated with use of ins and del
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[tantek] if you took care to use ins and del when you edited the contents of your article(s)
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[tantek] then a fragmention to old content would likely still scroll to a del section (perhaps revealing it!)
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takev[m] The main issue is that initial thread isn't related to the others at all. And it is trying to send every web mention there.
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gRegorLove takev[m], your three posts are in a thread. Bridgy is sending the reply wm to the post it's directly in reply to, as well as any other URLs it finds up-thread.
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gRegorLove Let me look for an example on my site
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KartikPrabhu takev[m]: here an example from my site https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/re-electric-flux-constant
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gRegorLove It lets you - if you wanted to - show all the replies on the top-most post in that thread
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] The electric potential (which is the analog of surface gravity) is indeed constant as I showed in my thesis (Sec. 3 Theorem 1). The electric flux E.n is more analogous to the area element/ Noether charge which need not be constant.
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu++ I couldn't find one, haha
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KartikPrabhu takev[m]: essentially, bridgy sent all the replies and replies-to-replies from twitter to that post. So I have the whole chain on that main post. The rest of the posts are here https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/2019-09 (which have their own replies and replies-to-replies)
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[KevinMarks] if you link to section 8.1.1 or whatever and the outline is renumbered you get a wrong link, not a broken one. I think breaking the link, but having the text that was linked to available is better.
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[tantek] yeah section number linking is dumb
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[KevinMarks] it works for RFCs as they're frozen, but not for living specs
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[tantek] good observation
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[snarfed] gRegorLove++
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[snarfed] KartikPrabhu++ thanks!
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KartikPrabhu [tantek]: yes, I was also thinking of <del> and <ins> to combat that
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[tantek] Would make an excellent demonstration
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KartikPrabhu I actually already have a progressive disclosure that is fragmention aware :P
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[tantek] I think you could even hide the <del>s by default then do something with CSS to reveal them only if/when fragmentioned
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KartikPrabhu [tantek]: compare https://kartikprabhu.com/papers with https://kartikprabhu.com/papers#Ashtekar%20and%20Hansen :P
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KartikPrabhu need JS to see the disclosure
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[tantek] really dislike apps / web app/sites that lose in-progress authoring of drafts due to power off
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KartikPrabhu might could do the same with <del>
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KartikPrabhu prime job for a service worker (on the web)
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aaronpk or worse due to losing focus
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aaronpk i've had a foursquare venue pulled up because i'm watching the map to see where it is, and when I resume the app the whole thing decides to start over and take me back to the dashboard page, it's really frustrating
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[tantek] "You can only add 30 hashtags to a post" <- warning from IG in their posting UI
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Ruxton !tell aaronpk I got your site working for bestnine, I was looking for h-feed as parent and yours just started with a bunch of h-entries
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aaronpk ah thanks!
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Loqi aaronpk: Ruxton left you a message 1 minute ago: I got your site working for bestnine, I was looking for h-feed as parent and yours just started with a bunch of h-entries
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[jgmac1106] @karth
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[jgmac1106] Oops
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[jgmac1106] Kartik @hypothes_is does some interesting things with orphaned annotations.
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[jgmac1106] They get bumped to the page level and the annotation shows the changed/deleted content
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[schmarty] Ruxton: haha, nice! I was playing with the source of bestnine today because my archive pages are collections of h-entry and have no wrapping h-feed. Also did some hacks for things you added but that weren't on GitHub yet like png and cropping rectangular images
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[schmarty] Turns out I also mark up comments as "comment" and not "reply", so played with that. Then found that most of my comments are from swarm so I made a quick excluded list and at this point I have made this quick fun thing into A Project.
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Ruxton [schmarty]: I saw yours in the log and used it as a test case ;) works better over the posts than just the month archive
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Ruxton I'm also moving it right now to https://bestnine.indieweb.app
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Ruxton if anyone else would like a sub-domain on indieweb.app for their app, I'd be happy to add one
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Ruxton [schmarty]: send your changes in and I'll merge up if i can
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[tantek] Ruxton++ very cool! Quick fix (hopefully), can https://indieweb.app/ have a list of its subdomain apps?
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Ruxton yep, that was my next bit ;)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IndieWeb Best Nine" https://ignite.digitalignition.net/2020/01/14/indieweb-best-nine/
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waterpumper test
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waterpumper test
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pinktv test
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pinktv ok fine
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[Marlin_Forbes] there's a test?!
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[Marlin_Forbes] an idea popped into my head and I was wondering if there's prior art: just spitballing - for multi-author sites, indieauth could be extended to use a login with pseudo-email address instead of root URL. For example I am author datashaman@datashaman.com, which could be turned into a request for auth from user datashaman at https://datashaman.com.
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Loqi Marlin Forbes
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[Marlin_Forbes] There's need to be some sort of user lookup & auth discovery built into that
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[Marlin_Forbes] Urgh, not being able to edit typos irks me
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[Marlin_Forbes] so what would be needed is a list of auth providers for that specified user, much the same as the `link` elements do for indieauth
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[Marlin_Forbes] embedded h-cards mebbe?
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[Marlin_Forbes] i like https://datashaman@datashaman.com/ (it's a valid URL and it allows for specification of the protocol used on the site)
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[jgmac1106] If a multiuser site has profile pages could that url be used?
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[Marlin_Forbes] sure
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[Marlin_Forbes] you could use the path for that
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[Marlin_Forbes] then on the profile page, use the profiled user's rel=me links
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[Marlin_Forbes] if indieauth allows paths, this might work already
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Ruxton-WEB yep, that's pretty much how it goes
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[Marlin_Forbes] sweet
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aaronpk [Marlin_Forbes]: try entering "aaron@parecki.com" into indielogin.com :-)
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[Marlin_Forbes] whoot!
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[Marlin_Forbes] nice
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aaronpk it's because that is a valid URL format already
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aaronpk normally its user:pass@domain but it works with no password too
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aaronpk That must be you https://i.imgur.com/qmw5lmP.jpg
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[Marlin_Forbes] and i guess you'd need a http->https redirect to make that flawless
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[Marlin_Forbes] yeah 🙂
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[Marlin_Forbes] oops 🙂
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aaronpk Yeah or have the IndieAuth consumer assume https first when no scheme is given
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[Marlin_Forbes] i was gonna ask what you use for your lastmile auth
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[Marlin_Forbes] okta?
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aaronpk yea
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aaronpk and Apple
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[Marlin_Forbes] ic
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[kimberlyhirsh] !tell jgmac1106 Do you have any favorite guides to getting started on Glitch? I tend to benefit from a mix of linear "Hey do this" and playful "Toy with some existing code," and while Glitch has the latter coming out its... website?... I'm struggling to find the former, which I guess is maybe not in the spirit of Glitch, but is how I learn.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[kimberlyhirsh] Oh wait I just got an email from Glitch with the subject "Here's how to get started." DERP!
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[tantek] I want a soft-block feature (per person) that only stops me and my posts from showing up in any “suggested” or “also followed by” or “suggested friends” or algorithmic feed insertion etc when viewed by that person. They can still see my profile & posts and interact with them
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aaronpk that's a neat idea
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[tantek] Specific use-case, I’m pruning social media “friends” on a site and DO NOT want the site to soon thereafter suggest that I friend them or worse that they friend me
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[tantek] It’s kind of like a reverse soft-mute
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[snarfed] i like how facebook decoupled friend from following for these ^ kinds of use cases
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[snarfed] reading a twitter list instead of home timeline did basically the same thing for me on twitter
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[generativist] That you all are bringing these ideas up in slack makes me happy I stopped implementing them on twitter last week 🙂
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[generativist] At IndieWebCamp SF I demo'd my (very broken) code for making Jupyter/IPython notebooks into semi-indie websites, statically. Someone mentioned that they had seen an IPython converter, too. But, I haven't found it. Anyone know what they may have been referencing?
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[tantek] IPython sounds jargony enough that you may have better luck asking in the # dev channel
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[generativist] Oh thanks, hadn't noticed that one!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Meetable: An Open Source Events Aggregator" https://aaronparecki.com/2020/01/14/13/meetable
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aaronpk 💥
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[snarfed] aaronpk++ congrats!
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swentel congrats indeed
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aaronpk It's something!
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[snarfed] definitely!
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[tantek] aaronpk++ WOW congrats!!!!
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[tantek] great choice of name from many not-great alternatives
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aaronpk it's not as polished as I wanted to release it, but I figure it's better to have it out there
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aaronpk it's at least more polished than my own website code so there's that
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[tantek] and you got the .org!
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[tantek] amazing
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[schmarty] aaronpk++ woo! Second star on GitHub
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[Marlin_Forbes] cool, yay for laravel as well aaronpk++
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[Marlin_Forbes] aaronpk++ congrats
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Loqi :D
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[benatwork] Super-cool! We need this. (And: I learned about Vouch because of it.) aaronpk++
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aaronpk thanks!
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[tantek] also Vouch overloading 🤦‍♂️
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aaronpk not my fault!
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[tantek] I think if you're going to mention IndieWeb and Vouch in the same blogpost, and it's not indieweb.org/Vouch, you really ought to clarify 😛
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aaronpk the blog post didn't mention it :P just the readme did
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aaronpk I call it "Vouch Proxy" in the readme too
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GWG I have to read that
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[tantek] GWG, no not that Vouch 😂
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[tantek] thus illustrating the problem
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GWG Oh
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swentel yeah, I was confused too :)
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aaronpk counterargument: "indieweb" appears in only one place in the readme, the link to the example site at events.indieweb.org :)
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[KevinMarks] Interesting https://twitter.com/mykola/status/1217174321862512640?s=20
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@mykola @hypatiadotca oh my god, a whole client-side interface for twitter with a private database that allowed me to annotate users, tweets etc. Let me follow someone *and make a note as to why*. Let me see how kind this user is before I RT them. Stuff like that. Just give me more social graph! (twitter.com/_/status/1217174321862512640)
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[tantek] Note the use of "private" to mean *only for me the individual*.
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[tantek] All good until use of the abstract term "social graph" which has nothing to do with user-centric design / use-cases etc.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: http://evantravers.com/articles/2019/11/14/indieweb-webmentions-on-middleman-or-jekyll/ (from https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/13/indieweb-webmentions-on-middleman-or-jekyll-evan-travers/)
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[generativist] [KevinMarks] so that is what I was working on up until last week. Even talked about it with myk (who has graph db engineering experience)
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[generativist] i stopped once i started researching prior twitter clients and it became clear i can't do it SaaS-wise
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[generativist] and it's...kinda how i ended up here
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[generativist] kinda hoping to make it into something roamresearch.com