#indieweb 2020-01-15
2020-01-15 UTC
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gRegorLove great job!
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superkuh Is the url format "//domain.com/whatever/path" okay for the target URL? Like the shorthand for using either http or https?
# gRegorLove For webmention? I think it should specify the scheme so receivers can verify it
# superkuh Alright.
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[dmitshur] I might be conflating some things here, but I was recently sharing a regular calendar invite with a friend and realized I would've been a lot more comfortable sharing the invite list if it were people's URLs rather than their emails, because that way people can have control over whether they make their email public or not.
# [dmitshur] I'm wondering if this advantage of using URLs over emails as identifiers is captured as part of IndieAuth/URL-as-identifier/web sign-in pages, e.g., https://indieweb.org/Why_web_sign-in#Why_not_email or maybe elsewhere.
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[KevinMarks] I think this belongs somewhere https://twitter.com/BBC/status/1217371103850573824?s=20
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@BBC Wasn't the internet supposed to make things easier? 😂 https://twitter.com/BBCWales/status/1216038056572211203/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1217371103850573824)
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[jgmac1106] Good Luck Tantek I am up to Day 12 in my daily quote challenge: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/tag/quote
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: [kimberlyhirsh] left you a message 19 hours, 57 minutes ago: Do you have any favorite guides to getting started on Glitch? I tend to benefit from a mix of linear "Hey do this" and playful "Toy with some existing code," and while Glitch has the latter coming out its... website?... I'm struggling to find the former, which I guess is maybe not in the spirit of Glitch, but is how I learn.
# [jgmac1106] Yeah discovery on Glitch foe learning materials is hard. They aim more for novices than beginners IMO
# [jgmac1106] [kimberlyhirsh] here are some of my getting started projects: https://glitch.com/@jgmac1106/fun-stuff-to-teach-the-web
# [jgmac1106] I also wrote this, https://glitch.com/@jgmac1106/fun-stuff-to-teach-the-web I wanted to finish between semesters but picked up some client work
# [jgmac1106] be forewarned by fun stuff to teachtheweb was before CSS Grid so it uses a lot of floats for layout which isn't really best practice anymore
# [jgmac1106] layout int he first website starts out with floats and I will have later lessons on CSS Grid
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KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106]: why start with floats first?
# KartikPrabhu why not start with modern layouts like Grid and Flexbox?
# KartikPrabhu not criticizing just asking :)
# [jgmac1106] Became a cognitive load issue. Working with people who have never touched HTML. Every key term requires an appositive definition.
# KartikPrabhu hmmm and floats were more "intuitive" to explain?
# [jgmac1106] When I started drafting the About Me Splash page, just became too long to also introduce grid. All people want is their name and photo online
# [jgmac1106] I didn't explain really but in a way they are put left is goes left, put right it goes right. Basically I made four img options imgLeft, imgRight, imgCenter, imgFull.
# [jgmac1106] I introduce flexbox during our photography unit
# KartikPrabhu hmm
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# [jgmac1106] Nobody picked the web development pathway so didn't develop further. Everyone wanted video, podcasting, or photography
# [jgmac1106] If you want to rework the intro and build in Grid from start contributors welcome
# [jgmac1106] My funstufftoteachtheweb... Goes back 7+ years so Grid wasn't used. I really need to update the fake facebook page to Grid.... Schools love doing that in history and literature
# [jgmac1106] So basically when I get to the CSS Grid lesson we will just start a new stylesheet.... Just learning to move between index.html and style.css takes massive understanding
# [jgmac1106] Pretty homepage and easy to use page builder (straightforward HTML not being) matters more to new users than social streams and POSSE
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# [Marlin_Forbes] most people aren't even aware that they can create a webpage
# [Marlin_Forbes] and even if they could, they wouldn't, cos people
# [Marlin_Forbes] looks shame-faced
# [jgmac1106] over the last decade of doing this people may want to recreate the habit but do not want to if myurl.com doesn't look good or easy to use
# [jgmac1106] I hear when talking to people about micro.blog they check out the homepage and want to know how they build theirs
# [Marlin_Forbes] one-click installer on DO
# [Marlin_Forbes] Zeit/Netlify etc
# [Marlin_Forbes] but regular folk don't know those exist
# [jgmac1106] and almost 100% of all new WordPress installs I see choose the static homepage with a different blog feed
# [jgmac1106] but this is a culture thatcould have been created in my little edtech space of the web, practices that have developed last 20 or so years, I do wonder per capita if there are more teacher bloggers than dev bloggers, seem to be the only two real big audiences
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# [jgmac1106] your identity should be an art project, but yes it also causes anxiety as well...in terms of perfection and display
# [jgmac1106] in non edtech classes I start with a CMS in my tech classes we do a hybrid approach using a working social stream and then building our front page...for the semi technical crowd the HTML5 template to GitHub seems to be a pattern emerging as well
# [jgmac1106] part of the reason I have always used two domains....I want the social stream (Known in my case ) to just work and then have the flexibility of a page builder (WP...until that was too constraining and thn just HTML)
# [jgmac1106] I was originally thinking if I just had a few h-feed templates on Glitch (was using Mozilla Thimble) with a home page and about me, I could just set up my own class feed, may try again this semester
# [jgmac1106] yeah saw it with 4-5 people at Summit and then 3 people in NYC, they get the good looking homepage and can then connect a CMS to handle all the Indieweb stuff
# [jgmac1106] You can make a homepage in micro.blog and point your stream on another page, I think, I did tell Manton he needs to highlight the ease of page building abopve the fold on the website
# [jgmac1106] meant stuff like micro.blog, pay your $5 have everything work, the new pine.blog is super cool too
# [jgmac1106] even with the IndieWeb themes I still recommended people add a page builder plugin (this was before Gutenberg) to get the flexibility in layout and designs they wanted, but I limit any new user to 3 pages...freedom is sometimes horrible for design, creativity needs constraint
# [jgmac1106] when a CMS works with installatron and cPanel it was never bad, it is one button install, never worry about updates or back ups, explains a good portion of WP.org marketshare
# [jgmac1106] but cPanel doubled their prices.....
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petermolnar chipping in: the two perspective is interest in building a site vs wanting to share content, both end of the spectrum exists. [tantek] WordPress has essentially no admin tax, it's refreshing itself basically out of the box, and with Gutenberg, it's closing in on wix/weebly/etc. That said a lot of WP site should be static pages instead. Honestly, "build your first website" should be open MS/Libre/Open Office, make a page, export as HTML
# petermolnar , upload it, é voilá, just to demonstrate how simple it could be.
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# [jgmac1106] On another note just realized Alan Levine been doing a daily photo challenge for 12 years https://cogdogblog.com/2020/01/photoing-daily/
# [jgmac1106] And here we are feeling the foreboding weight of a 100 days
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# [Marlin_Forbes] blot.im is making headway with blogging simplicity - i tried them for a month - worth the $3. i wanted to have more control over the dev process though, being a developer.
# [Marlin_Forbes] put a file into the dropbox app folder, and it becomes an article
# [Marlin_Forbes] reminds me of posterous somewhat 🕯
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# [KevinMarks] Something like about.me, but as an indieweb template?
# petermolnar wait, wordpress setup or wordpress as indieweb setup? the two are not the same
# petermolnar and yes, for indieweb, it's painful
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# [jgmac1106] [KevinMarks] I started with your old github h-card and combined with with an About Me template we used with Mozilla forever
# [jgmac1106] and yes I referring to WP sans IndieWeb different beast in terms of admintax then vanilla WP
# [jgmac1106] [Marlin_Forbes] have had similar experience with write.as, works expecially if activitypub integration is high priority, but needed some more control
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# [jgmac1106] ohh yes plugin debt adds up quick, but still easiest way (beyond Wix, Weebly) to get a site and blog up IMO
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# ShokuninDiscord[ Looks like Mozilla decided to downsize :/
# ShokuninDiscord[ Hope no one here's affected
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