#indieweb 2020-02-04

2020-02-04 UTC
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chrisaldrich What is the fediverse?
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Loqi federation in the context of the indieweb refers to services and features on indieweb sites that work directly with other indieweb sites peer-to-peer, without having to setup or create accounts in both places, and without being bottlenecked by any kind of centralized service or silo https://indieweb.org/fediverse
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chrisaldrich That definition isn't what I think that most people would associate with the Fediverse...
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chrisaldrich what is the Federated Social Web
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Loqi The phrase Federated Social Web is an early 2010s phrase that historically referred to several things, including federation with social standards, the Federated Social Web Summit event(s), and 2010-era social web efforts https://indieweb.org/Federated_Social_Web
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chrisaldrich What is Mastodon?
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Loqi Mastodon is an open source implementation of a federated social network with several running instances that is compatible with GNU social https://indieweb.org/Mastodon
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aaronpk Looks like fediverse was a redirect page
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chrisaldrich There's some muddling of definitions in there it seems.
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chrisaldrich Though I guess it's close enough, if one jumps far enough down the federation page.
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chrisaldrich federation << https://tilde.town/~petegozz/Fediverse_Glossary/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://tilde.town/~petegozz/Fediverse_Glossary/" to the "See Also" section of /federation https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68138&oldid=55430
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aaronpk No I mean we apparently don't have a page about the fediverse, that page is about federation
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chrisaldrich I'll see if I can dig up the logs from Feb 21, 2019 to see why Tantek redirected Fediverse to that page... dinner is about out though...
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aaronpk It was created as a redirect it looks like
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terinjokes is it possible to include an h-cite inside an entry's content (eg, for a blockquote)?
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chrisaldrich what is h-cite?
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Loqi h-cite is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up citations and references on web sites https://indieweb.org/h-cite
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chrisaldrich terinjokes, yes and it's a common pattern for /reply-context
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[KevinMarks] What is gnusocial?
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Loqi GNU social is a free software project that "will be a decentralized social network that you can install on your own server" https://indieweb.org/gnusocial
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb! Anyone planning anything for the Online IWC this weekend?
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jeremycherfas Hard to plan, although I hope to be present for some sessions.
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[jgmac1106] we currently have four sessions, if folks want more find another person there is room for two more sessions at each time slot
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Zegnat [jgmac1106]: I see only three sessions on the Grid?
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Zegnat Oh, you were talking about proposals? Gotcha!
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Zegnat would almost want a calendar event per session for the online call-in structure. Hmm.
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[jgmac1106] yes we are finalizing today, wanted to give through Monday for people to add more sessions
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[jgmac1106] moving to meta if you have more questions
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jeremycherfas wonders why https://indieweb.org/2020/Online isn't in upcoming on the front page.
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GWG That is a problem
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[snarfed] can anyone think of a use case for micropub being a bridgy publish target? ie you have a post on your site, and you use bridgy to micropub publish that post to a different site?
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[snarfed] i'm trying to understand the context for [tantek]'s idea here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/796#issuecomment-368721844
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Loqi [tantek] The issue name “micropub for bridgy publish” sounded a lot like what I was looking for in <https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-02-26/1519669277072200> but this issue is clearly about adding Micropub support as another API to Bridgy Publish, rather...
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[jgmac1106] Yes snarfed I dream of. Micropub export tool. Sounds more complicated than Bridgy though
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[snarfed] yeah and unrelated? not sure why bridgy would be involved, or whether micropub would even help anyway, or just add complexity
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[jgmac1106] Just the use case you suggested. Use Bridgy to publish from your site to another site... But keeping original dt=published on both
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[jgmac1106] But not a Bridgy job l. Just something I want
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[snarfed] right, but i'm still looking to hear an actual concrete real use case. like "POSSE to Twitter" or "syndicate to Indienews"
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[snarfed] i haven't heard of many people syndicating anywhere via micropub
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[jgmac1106] My other would be publish on my personal site and on a ckass site, but I am using feeds for that
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[jgmac1106] Did gwg make a WP to micropub integration?
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[jgmac1106] I mean microblog theough micropub? Okay goota srop typing. Came from eye appointment. Cant see keyboard
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[snarfed] yeah i wrote the wp micropub plugin, and gwg now maintains it (well!)
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gRegorLove micropub to goodreads could be nice
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Zegnat Syndicate to Microblog is an interesting use-case. But I think that people are either 1) posting on Microblog first, or 2) syndicating their feed through Microblogs own system.
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gRegorLove and maybe openlibrary
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Zegnat Oh, woops, this is Micropub in, never mind what I said
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aaronpk i guess the use case is wanting to syndicate somewhere that supports micropub and not wanting to write the code to make a micropub request
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gRegorLove oh, i might be misunderstanding
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[jgmac1106] Yeah but Zegnat my syndicated posts don't show on micro.blog if you visit my page. I want rhat
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[snarfed] Zegnat no this is micropub out
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aaronpk unless i am misunderstanding the issue
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[snarfed] aaronpk right, i'm just curious to hear examples of real sites like that, and people with that actual real world need
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Zegnat got confused ... the issue is micropub in but the linked comment it micropub out?
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[snarfed] Zegnat yes
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Zegnat Gotcha [snarfed]
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aaronpk ok it took me re-reading that like 5 times to understand it
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Zegnat HEhe
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[snarfed] i can't really remember hearing many/any syndicate-via-micropub desires. (maybe aaronpk with silo.pub but that's just weird plumbing, not really real)
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[snarfed] totally fine if the answer is no one has an actual real use case for it now, i was just curious
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Zegnat “that's just weird plumbing, not really real” is a beautiful tagline for a lot of products I see
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aaronpk i like silo.pub because it normalizes a bunch of silo APIs to look like a micropub API
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GWG [snarfed]: Re Micropub, I have been working on bug fixes this week.
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[snarfed] ok!
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GWG [snarfed]: Just keeping you in the loop
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sknebel I assume the key here is "a normalized API", and micropub being kind of the obvious candidate around here (fwiw, I'd assume (!) as soon as people consider adding the bridgy special properties just pushing directly to bridgy becomes somewhat attractive)
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[snarfed] right, normalized API _into_ a bridge like bridgy makes sense. this is about _out_ though
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sknebel ... sorry, I apparently can't read either :D
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Zegnat That makes ... all of us? XD
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[jgmac1106] Are micropub and api trigger words for Loqi to suggest moving to #indieweb-dev?
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aaronpk i think i left out micropub and webmention because they are terms that surface to end users so might be part of a user-centric discussion, but that's more meta anyway
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[tantek] lol all this dev scrollback
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] finally replied that the eevee article thread on Twitter: https://twitter.com/t/status/1224617679035613185
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[tantek] changes the subject
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@t @cwilso @tabatkins @eevee amazing trail thru web history! Replying to @cwilso ping here bc Disqus is js;dr. Well done @eevee. More MacIE5/Tasman impacts per @jimmyg https://twitter.com/jimmyg/status/1213810286077054977 @ToddFahrner & I invented standards mode via DOCTYPE switch. ... https://tantek.com/t54w1 (twitter.com/_/status/1224617679035613185)
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