#indieweb 2020-02-21

2020-02-21 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] A clever little CSS tool I ran across today that I'd never seen: https://cssstats.com/
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[Michael_Beckwit cool
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aaronpk Cool but I have no idea what to do with that information
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[Michael_Beckwit it’d be good to see how you could reduce complexity
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[Michael_Beckwit “holy cow, i have 100 different colors specified?”
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[Michael_Beckwit “24 of those are really close in shade. I should get those synced to match. Consistency!”
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aaronpk I can't tell if it's telling me this is how many colors I'm actually using or just how many colors are defined in my CSS
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aaronpk and since I'm using a css framework, theres a bunch of rules defined that are never used
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[Michael_Beckwit i assume the latter, and probably in ALL the things it finds
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[Michael_Beckwit it’d be cool if it separated out by stylesheet
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[chrisaldrich] It's certainly interesting to put in some of the smaller hand-built websites that put out almost nothing in comparison to even a relatively simple WordPress install.
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[chrisaldrich] Picking up on the bookmark/like/favorite/repost conversation earlier, GWG, you might try making some of them on your site and see how you like using them (or not).
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[chrisaldrich] I've used several different versions of /read posts and still don't think I've got exactly what I want, but part of the fun is experimenting.
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[chrisaldrich] I think the prior context was in the #indieweb-dev channel, but a lot of the discussion was very user focused...
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[chrisaldrich] A good reason for /why IndieWeb? https://twitter.com/JadeLussuria/status/1229600493858689024
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@JadeLussuria Working on my website is my kind of self care 🤷‍♀️ (twitter.com/_/status/1229600493858689024)
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[chrisaldrich] apologies for the NSFW sort of content that site may have though...
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[chrisaldrich] I'd only seen the sentiment without having clicked through...
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jacky haha
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jacky that was not expected tbh
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SpencerDub Hi there, y'all. :)
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SpencerDub Would anyone in here be able to help with some CSS questions I have regarding the Autonomie theme for WordPress at some point? Trying to take my old WordPress blog and wrangle it into a legit IndieWeb home for myself.
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Ruxton whats up
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Ruxton better off just aksing your question too, things move slowly here
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SpencerDub Got it. First, I've got some elements that are displaying out of alignment with the rest of the post body, and can't quite figure out why. Example here: https://spencerdub.me/blog/nisei-recommendations/
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Loqi [Spencer] Restructuring: Recommendations for NISEI’s Future
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SpencerDub Mostly looking at the images in the post and the "related posts" div at the end.
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[datashaman] aside: as soon as the gallery comes into view, all keyboard navigation stops working - page up, page down, everything
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[datashaman] even clicking on the background doesn't allow keys to be used - the gallery component is swallowing all the keyboard events
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Ruxton SpencerDub: the images are as expected if left aligned (the width for images/etc. is bigger than the post content body)
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SpencerDub Ah, okay, I'll go back and look at the post content.
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Ruxton try some different alignments
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Ruxton I think now you're on 'alignwide'
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[chrisaldrich] What is Autonomie?
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Loqi Autonomie is a highly semantic, responsive, accessible and search engine optimized WordPress Theme https://indieweb.org/Autonomie
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[datashaman] using firefox 73 on linux
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SpencerDub Looks like it was align-center, but I've played with the other options to see what they look like. That was an obvious one; thanks for your help and your patience.
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Ruxton SpencerDub: you'll want to find where #jp-relatedposts rule is set in the related-posts plugin you're using, change margin: 1em 0; to margin: 1em auto; and set a max-width of 700px that should get u started
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SpencerDub Yup, that did it. Thanks.
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Ruxton You'll want to write some more rules for the changing widths
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[chrisaldrich] SpencerDub, hopefully you're sorted out, but I remember some others having similar issues in the past which I think were documented here: https://github.com/pfefferle/Autonomie/issues/10
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Loqi [mrkrndvs] #10 Syndicated Links Displaying to the Far Left
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SpencerDub This too, by the look of it: https://github.com/pfefferle/Autonomie/issues/18
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Loqi [mrkrndvs] #18 Span Issue - Related Posts
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SpencerDub Don't know how I missed it; it's not like there are too many issues on that repo. 😶
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[chrisaldrich] If you need more technical help on this, I'd recommend moving to the #indieweb-wordpress channel (otherwise the #indieweb-dev channel will work too).
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SpencerDub Oh right, channels! Will do. Thanks.
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[chrisaldrich] We tend to keep this channel on the less technical side... 🙂
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[chrisaldrich] What is chat?
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Loqi chat is informal messaging offered by numerous services, a few of which interoperate or bridge with each other, and also a set of brainstorms for what an amazing indieweb friendly chat web app/site could do https://indieweb.org/chat
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[chrisaldrich] Ooops....
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[chrisaldrich] What is discuss?
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Loqi Join the #indieweb discussions via the web, Slack, IRC, or Matrix interfaces now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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tomasmoberg tomasmoberg
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tomasmoberg Hello, I have an idea. I would like to complement the rel="me" link with a rel="trust" link that indicates which domains I trust. All domains are treated as equals (having 1.0 trust points to allocate as the domain owner wishes) . If I have two rel="trust" links on my domain (linking to Indieweb.org and Wikipedia.org), each one would earn 0.5 trust points. I imagine a grassroots movement of domain-based chains of trust.
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aaronpk "trust" is pretty vague... trust to do what?
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[KevinMarks] that sounds a bit like how page rank works - we have a prior attempt at this with vote links in microformats. http://microformats.org/wiki/vote-links
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[jgmac1106] if interested and has nothing to do with microformats annd mroe for large publishers but this is where we ended up on the first draft of credibility standards: https://credweb.org/reviewed-signals-internal-draft/
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Loqi [Sandro Hawke] Reviewed Credibility Signals
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[jgmac1106] tomasmoberg there are a number of people playing with browser exensions where experts or anyone can rate trust on a liker scale
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[jgmac1106] likert*
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Using IFTTT to syndicate (PESOS) your Reddit saved post to your own IndieWeb website" https://cedric.io/2020/using-ifttt-to-syndicate-pesos-your-reddit-saved-post-to
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tomasmoberg Thank you for the response. I think of a decentralized way of expressing trust for a source (e.g Wikipedia.org or Indieweb.org). Would not a domain-based trust system differ from a website-based one in that it would be more difficult to centralize, control by silos?
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[jgmac1106] i argued that webrings in way could offer a url based credibility signal
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[jgmac1106] if tomasmoberg is an expert at sprockets and he manages a ring of sprocket experts the sites with that ring badge have a credibility signal
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[KevinMarks] That's pretty much what we did at technorati, count distinct inbound links by domain as a quality indicator.
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aaronpk tomasmoberg: that still didn't answer my question? "Trust" to do what?
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aaronpk We have various rel values that already indicate specific kinds of trust, such as rel=me (I trust this other website to also represent me online) or rel=canonical (you should trust this other link as the canonical version of this page)
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aaronpk imo "trust" is too vague to be actionable, it needs to say something more specific
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GWG https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/02/20/google-chrome-80-upgrade-deep-linking-update-chrome-browser/
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GWG Just saw this...missed this feature previously
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GWG Reminds me of fragmentions
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aaronpk Wait that's wrong
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aaronpk browsers don't send the fragment in the request to the web server
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aaronpk so the fragment isn't visible to network admins like they're warning about
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GWG Isn't Forbes supposed to be better on the research side
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GWG They cite the Register, who cites a GitHub thread
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aaronpk Did browsers change that behavior and I didn't notice?
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[jgmac1106] gwg forbes is mainly just independent hacks publishing to the brand, they don't have many staff writers for online anymore
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GWG Either way, I completely missed this debate
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aaronpk link to GitHub thread?
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GWG Well, Forbes apparently lifted from https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/chrome_deploys_deeplinking/
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GWG https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/194#issuecomment-566719528
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Loqi [dbaron] My high-level opinion here is that this a really valuable feature, but it might also be one where all of the possible solutions have major issues/problems. So I think the question we should think about is how the problems of the solution chosen here...
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[schmarty] oof, this quotes a "privacy researcher at Brave Browser" which talks about being able to view DNS traffic (which does not leak URL paths) and then out-of-context quotes "a principal engineer at Mozilla" saying basically that this is a hard problem with no specifics about this implementation 😩
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GWG https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/76#issuecomment-587560203
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Loqi [bokand] Sorry for the delay, was on vacation and then catching up. Yes, this is shipping in M80 without a flag. We discussed this and other issues with our security team and, to summarize, we understand the issue but disagree on the severity so we're proc...
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GWG I meant to be asking about the spec
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GWG I didn't realize that it would prompt a discussion about the articles
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GWG Either way, I didn't take them seriously
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GWG Did we discuss this Scroll To Fragment proposal when it came out and I missed it in the chat?
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[schmarty] GWG: it was very much discussed here. especially trying to get the chrome team to pay attention to past work on fragmentions etc
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GWG I must have missed it somehow
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GWG Oh well
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sknebel aaronpk: they aren't claiming that the fragment gets sent in the DNS request
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[schmarty] it's weirder. here's the discussion: https://github.com/WICG/ScrollToTextFragment/issues/76
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Loqi [pes10k] #76 privacy concerns with proposal through inducing network requests
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[schmarty] oh oops this is dev!
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[schmarty] moving to dev.
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aaronpk sknebel: They said it appears in the web logs tho
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aaronpk the fragment never leaves the browser tho
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[schmarty] aaronpk: dev plx :}
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aaronpk I guess this is dev now :-)
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tomasmoberg aaronpk (and others): I am not sure if "trust to do" is what I mean. I am looking for a way to create (domain-based) peer-trust-peer systems from below. Maybe possible without rel="trust".
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[schmarty] tomasmoberg: i think they were talking about the ways that "trust" can mean very different things in different contexts and for different people.
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[schmarty] for example i might "trust" your domain in the sense that i show webmentions from your website on my posts without verifying each by hand.
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[schmarty] however i that doesn't mean i would "trust" your domain to post content on my site, view private posts, etc.
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[schmarty] "trust" as a term doesn't mean much without discussing what that trust _enables_. i think that's what is meant by "trust to do what?" what capabilities are enabled by that trust relationship?
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[jgmac1106] "trust to do what" is awesome framing
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[tantek] Please y’all keep moving and encouraging any code and markup discussions to the dev channel
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[tantek] Like literally don’t answer here. Say moving to dev then answer there
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[tantek] Now for the designers, artists, and type nerds here (or anyone wanting to be one!), check out this challenge and enter with a post on your own site! https://www.instagram.com/p/B8zdZBNiLRh/
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