#indieweb 2020-02-25

2020-02-25 UTC
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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jamietanna[m] Morning IndieWeb!
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jamietanna[m] Maybe one for #meta but I didn't see it on there - a friend of mine is wanting inspiration for her site https://twitter.com/CarolSaysThings/status/1232216928720166913
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@CarolSaysThings Open question to you, twitter friends: What's your favourite #IndieWeb enabled site? At the last #HomebrewWebsiteClub I worked on enabling webmentions on my site. It's my first indie web feature, and I'm already looking for what's next 👀 RTs for reach appreciated ✨ https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/ERm2w2rWoAAoJQb.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1232216928720166913)
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jacky morning Zegnat
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sknebel Morning everyone
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[LewisCowles] Hello all 👋
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[KevinMarks] markdown << https://twitter.com/ow/status/1232131707085762561?s=20
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@ow *whispers* ᴹᵃʳᵏᵈᵒʷⁿ ᶦˢ ᵒᵛᵉʳʳᵃᵗᵉᵈ ᵇᵉᶜᵃᵘˢᵉ ᶦᵗ ᵐᵃᵏᵉˢ ᶜᵒⁿᵗᵉⁿᵗ ᶦⁿᵃᶜᶜᵉˢˢᶦᵇˡᵉ ᵗᵒ ᵃⁿʸᵒⁿᵉ ᵇᵘᵗ ᵈᵉᵛᵉˡᵒᵖᵉʳˢ (twitter.com/_/status/1232131707085762561)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/ow/status/1232131707085762561?s=20" to the "See Also" section of /markdown https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=68704&oldid=59642
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[jeremycherfas] Srsly?
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sknebel [jeremycherfas]: I don't understand were the idea that users can't handle plaintext formats comes from either...
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[manton] Starting to get a little bit of pushback on the feature I worked on at IndieWebCamp (showing replies Micro.blog knows about, including Webmentions, on your own blog post) because some people might want to opt-out of having their replies appear on someone else's site. Reminds me of Bridgy and including Twitter replies even if the Twitter users don't know that is happening. Has that kind of discussion been documented anywhere? Not seeing anything on
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[manton] the wiki on first glance.
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[KevinMarks] it's like all wiki syntaxes - it starts off OK, and then gets too complicated to remember
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[KevinMarks] [manton] - it's a big deal in mastodon land - they have a setting that turns off search indexing for posts for some users
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[KevinMarks] (the stuff is still on the web, but it has noindex markup)
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[KevinMarks] I can't remember if this goes with the unlisted flag or is a separate setting though
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[snarfed] [manton] https://indieweb.org/backfeed#Discussion
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[manton] Thanks y'all. I missed the backfeed page.
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[manton] I was also wondering how our terms of service on Micro.blog relates to this. Going to paste the relevant text in here in case someone has feedback:
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[manton] > Micro.blog does not claim any ownership rights in any text, images, photos, video, sounds, links, works of authorship, or any other materials that you post to the Service (collectively, “Your Content”). After posting Your Content to the Service, you continue to retain all ownership rights in Your Content, and subject to any licenses granted by you, you continue to have the right to use Your Content in any way you choose. By posting or sharing
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[manton] Your Content, you grant Micro.blog only the limited rights that are reasonably necessary for us to provide the Service, which includes, without limitation, the right to store Your Content and share or display it with other users of the Service.
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[snarfed] good terms, but probably don't cover this case specifically
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[manton] Yeah, I don't think so either… Unless it's a very broad reading of the "display it with other users" line.
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[manton] Generally if someone is replying to someone else's blog post, there's kind of an active choice there that they are letting their reply out into the world. But I can see how not everyone might feel that way.
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[snarfed] right. distinction between posting a comment a) directly on someone else's post, 2) on your web site and then sending a wm, and 3) somewhere without sending a wm, and then another service backfeeds it
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[snarfed] (hah a 2 3, evidently i need coffee)
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Zegnat And then there is also the weird case of 2a) on your web site and someone else sends WM for you.
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Zegnat Though that might overlap with backfeed, but I always think of silos and things when talking about backfeed
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aaronpk I feel like this is a good thing https://micro.blog/pratik/8500382
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Loqi [pratik] @bix I’m uncertain if I want my replies appearing on someone else’s blog. I’m afraid it may have a chilling effect on my replies behavior. Appearing just on the timeline has an ephemeral feel to it.
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[manton] I'm kind of hoping this is a temporary problem, too. What I mean is that right now, people post to a "silo" and assume it will stay there. In the future, I could see people being a little more educated that when you reply to something, you're replying across different blogs, potentially.
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aaronpk like yes it's a good thing that it makes you think about what you're putting out on the internet
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[manton] Good point.
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Zegnat I can also see a usecase for not wanting certain critical comments to be actively pushed to the thing you are being critical about.
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aaronpk That's not the issue here tho
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Zegnat But it is a fine line. Didn’t people use to check Google to find out when pages linked to them, so people would find out anyway..?
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aaronpk in this case they'd see the reply in micro.blog anyway
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Zegnat Ah, right, hmm
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[manton] Officially announced the feature with some context for where I think the value is in terms of being a kind of Webmention-aware glue that can connect blogs: https://www.manton.org/2020/02/25/replies-on-your.html
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Loqi Replies on your blog with Conversation.js
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[jeremycherfas] [sknebel] Anyone who had to work with WordPerfect or Wordstar back in the olden days is perfectly happy with MarkDown
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[snarfed] subtweeting is kind of the same distinction _within_ silos, right? ie you reply if you want them to see it, and show up under their tweet as a reply, subtweet if you don't?
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Zegnat What is subtweeting?
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Loqi A subtweet is a tweet commenting about someone without including their @-name, so they are not notified https://indieweb.org/subtweeting
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Zegnat Hmm, that sounds a little like me writing a comment and not including the other party’s link. Then there will be no webmention?
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[snarfed] so maybe the indieweb distinction is whether you explicitly link to something or not
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[snarfed] right
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Zegnat does not Twitter enough to actually know what subtwittering is ;)
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Zegnat https://boffosocko.com/2018/01/24/definition-of-submention/ - interesting
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] sub·men·tion (noun informal): 1. A post about someone or something on a personal website where one neglects (accidentally or on purpose) to either send a webmention and/or syndicate a copy out to an appropriate social silo. 2. Such a post which exp...
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[jgmac1106] what is .@mention called?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for ".@mention called" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say ".@mention called is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[snarfed] unnecessary now? afaik tweets that start with @-mentions now show up in timelines like normal and aren't hidden any more? not sure
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[jgmac1106] probably juts people used to the practice
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sknebel Isn't the current thing reply and then self-retweet?
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sknebel Might be wrong too
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Zegnat This is why I stick to the IndieWeb, I can share and publish stuff in the same way today as I did 10 years ago
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GWG Zegnat: Are you publishing?
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Zegnat rarely :P
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Zegnat gin tastings still go on my wiki, etc
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GWG Zegnat: I am not as good with content creation as I'd like
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[jgmac1106] Don't think about it as content. Just documentation of your day. Any day you do IndieWeb work post a note
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GWG I am lazy sometimes
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[jgmac1106] Even use a template if you want... Today I worked on... An issue I had was.... My goal is....rinse and repeat
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[jgmac1106] But it's about finding your happy place between content and code...you skew to the code side and that is fine.
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GWG [jgmac1106]: I prefer my laughing place
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[jgmac1106] right there...that line, make an awesome note
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chrisaldrich What is fastpages?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fastpages" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "fastpages is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich Anyone taken a look at this yet? https://twitter.com/jeremyphoward/status/1232059428238581760
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@jeremyphoward We're launching `fastpages`, a platform which allows you to host a blog for free, with no ads. You can blog with @ProjectJupyter notebooks, @office Word, directly from @github's markdown editor, etc. Nothing to install, & setup is automated! https://fastpages.fast.ai/fastpages/jupyter/2020/02/21/introducing-fastpages.html (twitter.com/_/status/1232059428238581760)
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[jgmac1106] need pics for your content?
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[jgmac1106] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/smithsonian-releases-28-million-images-public-domain-180974263/
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[KevinMarks] When thinking about subtweeting, you need to think about snitch tagging too
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[KevinMarks] We may need to iterate on noindex and webmention
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "My IndieWebCamp Austin 2020 Projects" https://gregorlove.com/2020/02/my-indiewebcamp-austin-2020-projects/