#indieweb 2020-03-14
2020-03-14 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] what is a victory log?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "victory log" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "victory log is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [chrisaldrich] Interesting sort of collection: http://hoos.spadial.com/victorylog/
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gRegorLove what is achievement
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "achievement" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "achievement is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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maxwelljoslyn chrisaldrich thanks for sharing that victory log
# maxwelljoslyn I've had idle thoughts about maintaining a "Praise" page for reviews, accolades, etc. and I feel encouraged when I see others who aren't afraid to do a little celebration of their success
# maxwelljoslyn (though I think that, on social media and even more in IndieWeb where people often get most excited about what they themself have built lately, one must take care not to become narcissistic)
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sebsel ok, I said it joking but I found this and it's amazing https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=v58VPGdkeAi
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jamietanna[m] Morning all!
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# [Dan_Q] waves
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# [carolgilabert] Morning! 👋
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# [LewisCowles] Morning 👋
# [LewisCowles] I think there is only one room, is that right?
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[calumryan] There's three
# [calumryan] Morning 👋
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# crowdhailer Morning all,
# crowdhailer Pictures of the venue are a great addition sebsel
# crowdhailer If this is the general indieweb chat is there somewhere else I should be joined for webcamp specifically
# [Dan_Q] Wondering this, also!
# [calumryan] This will be the main channel for discussions and info for today's streaming and any related links
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# [Dan_Q] https://zoom.us/j/6312221690 <- link for the lazy; keynotes will be here starting in 15 mins
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# [LewisCowles] I decided to join the Virtual Background party
# [LewisCowles] It's just a webcam cover
# [LewisCowles] It's early here
# [LewisCowles] well, it's not, but I'm lazy
# [calumryan] If you'd like to demo a personal website please add your URL under participants here so we know who wants to and in which order https://etherpad.indieweb.org/IWC_London_Site_demos
# [LewisCowles] Something from Morgan who is involved in HWC Berlin https://roderick.dk/2020/01/19/tips-for-joyful-video-calls/ it seems we're all good, but maybe this helps
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doubleloop doubleloop
# doubleloop lol
# doubleloop Morning all!
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# doubleloop No sound for me on Zoom for some reason, perhaps a Linux thing.. trying again.
# [Dan_Q] If you're using the browser client, check site permissions in your browser: it may be blocking "noisy" content that you haven't interacted with.
# doubleloop Thanks Dan - sorted now
# [carolgilabert] 👏 👏 👏
# jamietanna[m] Re getting started with hosting a static site - I'd recommend /Netlify for hosting, as it's got a tonne of other features like "serverless" functions which allows your static site to a bit more dynamic
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[KevinMarks] what's Kevin F's personal site?
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# [Ana_Rodrigues] Thank you so much Rose! That was great!
# [Dan_Q] Thirded. Nice one, [Rose]!
# [Dan_Q] [LewisCowles] your footer says you're using a mixture of PHP and Ruby: that's a really interesting combination! (I'm in a similar position.)
# jamietanna[m] Thanks Rose - that was a great keynote 🙌
# [Dan_Q] Cute implementation of fragmention!
# jamietanna[m] Interesting that Cheuk mentions syndication to Dev.To - I'd be interested to see if we can get interactions on Dev.To sending back to the original post, maybe via Bridgy? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/874
# [LewisCowles] [Dan_Q] I've turned off all PHP and Ruby in 2019
# [LewisCowles] It's mostly to avoid me unnecessarily scripting static content
# [LewisCowles] I Have been patching bits of Known, IndieLogin and Aaron's meetable
# [LewisCowles] Recently there was an indie service in Ruby I've 4 open PR's for
# [Dan_Q] TIL that there's a Bridgy integration to Meetup. I'm definitely going to have to look at improving my RSVPs.
# jamietanna[m] [Dan_Q]: Yes! https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/02/17/meetup-bridgy-support/ You can now get Bridgy to syndicate RSVPs for you, it's pretty awesome cause I now don't even need to use Meetup
# jamietanna[m] Especially so because https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/02/23/meetup-mf2-030/ and https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/12/19/meetup-mf2-hfeed/ mean that you can use your Social Reader to subscribe to the events, so you can RSVP without using Meetup whatsoever
# [LewisCowles] [barryf] I think lots of people would be interested in that
# [LewisCowles] How do you keep GitHub secure?
# [Dan_Q] [KevinMarks] hello follow geocacher; here's how I semi-automatically (so as not to violate the ToS) PESOS'd my old GCCOM/Terracaching/OpenCache logs into WordPress: https://danq.me/2018/09/16/importing-geocaching-logs-into-wordpress/ - the "scraper" code might be of use to you: https://github.com/Dan-Q/danq-geocaching-reposter/blob/master/bookmarklet.js
# jamietanna[m] I do similar to barryf with my site on GitLab - my Micropub client uses the API to commit the content to the repo, then that triggers a rebuild of the site
# jamietanna[m] Did we maybe want to do a session on Micropub for static sites? I think it could be a good discussion
# [LewisCowles] I'm so paranoid. I think I'd make a GitHub user that wasn't me and have it PR to me 😂
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# [Dan_Q] [neil] what's powering https://commonplace.doubleloop.net/ ?
# [calumryan] Reminder if anyone else wants to demo their personal site add it to https://etherpad.indieweb.org/IWC_London_Site_demos
# doubleloop [Dan_Q] That's all just really basic in Emacs - I'm using org-mode and org-roam and publishing it as static HTML from org-mode
# doubleloop My holy grail would be something like tiddlywiki but in emacs...
# [LewisCowles] seblog.nl has dark-mode too. Wondered why it looks different on my PC 😂
# jamietanna[m] [LewisCowles] I definitely spent a bit of time getting confident with my Micropub client, ironing out bugs that broke my site build 😸
# jamietanna[m] I've had one scare before that I thought someone had hacked me, but so far I feel fairly happy with my security implementation
# [LewisCowles] [yo] the layer of indirection would prevent people having direct write-access to me
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[jgmac1106] hey all? what is the link to IWC on the wiki
# [jgmac1106] iWC London
# [LewisCowles] nice
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# [Anna_Dodson] [carolgilabert] has a beautiful dark mode! Her lamp turns on 😂
# [LewisCowles] I need to see this. It's the kind of wonderful I think I need to experience
# [Anna_Dodson] https://carolgilabert.me/
# [jgmac1106] Good morning London, in the room
# [LewisCowles] [Anna_Dodson] ++
# [carolgilabert] Your dark mode is amazing too Anna! 🖤
# [Anna_Dodson] Can you turn your dark mode on and off or is it all triggered through the dark mode settings?
# [carolgilabert] It's through your OS/browser settings
# [LewisCowles] in windows, I just visited personalisation and turned it on for apps to see.
# [KevinMarks] The trouble with noterlive is that I can't read the chat too
# crowdhailer I joined half way through that session. Was there a link shared for the ether pad for suggestions?
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# crowdhailer thank you.
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# [LewisCowles] I'm super-interested in posting to GitHub from an application. Does it launch a sub-process, or use GitHub API?
# [LewisCowles] Both your websites are grand
# [LewisCowles] A Note that etherpad is breaking links to some sites adding %29
# [Anna_Dodson] Thank you! 🙌
# [carolgilabert] Thanks! 😊
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# [jgmac1106] sebsel you still rocking Kirby?
# [KevinMarks] of course my neighbour is running a hedge trimmer
# [LewisCowles] First GitHub commit done. Webmentions to single hash
# [jgmac1106] how many rooms? just one gwg or we doing three?
# [jgmac1106] looks like two
# [jgmac1106] lloks good
# [jgmac1106] looks* great sessions
# [jgmac1106] !calc 16:20 gmt to est
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# [jgmac1106] I have an extra Kirby 3 license if you want one
# jamietanna[m] The second room isn't really going to be used - unless folks want to do breakouts - it's only one set of scheduled talks
# [jgmac1106] I keep wavering back and forth...I couldn't get the webmention plugins working but my hypothes.is is my shared host
# [jgmac1106] but I have three licenses I purchased, not using two of them. Happy to give you one if you want it
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# [jgmac1106] oops I write hypothes.is the domain tooo much
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# [jgmac1106] by the end of the rsvp session hope to see everyone rsvping to here: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/03/indiewebcamp-london-online--EPL3anhWs2Wz
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# sebsel there you go [jgmac1106] https://seblog.nl/2020/03/14/2/indiewebcamp-london-online
# [jgmac1106] multilingual++
# [jgmac1106] English Only Web Isn't An Open Web
# [jgmac1106] I got pretty far in a Kirby checkin plugin actually, just kept messing up the open street map stuff
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# [jgmac1106] leave it to persons browser to translate, not your job, don't need to add work to native speakers
# [jgmac1106] if people are looking for content to write, we are doing a 30 day learning challenge in my class, just pick something learn it, blog about it
# [jgmac1106] my ukulele tuner just arrived...too bad it can't fix the voice
# [jgmac1106] thx for remembering pic, we forgot last IWC Online
# [calumryan] This afternoon's session schedule https://indieweb.org/2020/London/Schedule
# [jgmac1106] turn on video everyone
# [jgmac1106] last call
# [Dan_Q] [KevinMarks] you have some of the coolest-sounding bookmarks on your bookmarks toolbar ever.
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# jamietanna[m] FYI I'd recommend https://github.com/willnorris/webmention for "manual" Webmentions - it's a great tool that can autodetect + send WMs, but runs locally
# Loqi [Greg McVerry] Watching @kevinmarks https://kevinmarks.com deliver a session on Building Blocks https://jgregorymcverry.com/poetry/concretetest.gif
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[barryf] If you'd like to build webmentions into your own software I'd recommend testing with https://webmention.rocks/
# [LewisCowles] I enjoy self-rolling
# [LewisCowles] but I'm using others webmention endpoint to handle the POST
# [LewisCowles] it works with GitHub and static-sites
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# jamietanna[m] Remy Sharp has built the awesome https://webmention.app/ which is a great way to get Webmention sending without writing your own stuff!
# jamietanna[m] and works great with static sites
# [LewisCowles] [Cheuk_/ Cherrie] I'm interested in making a GitHub action to automatically send webmentions when committing Jekyll / Static, but I think you have to build locally in-order to get the URL as GitHub does not support Jekyll Plugin building for most plugins
# [jgmac1106] I use the sftp github action
# [jgmac1106] but waiting for the webmention github action jaimietanna is going to build
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# [carolgilabert] oh, I was going to build that if it doesn't already exist 🙂
# [carolgilabert] don't think Jamie will, he's still a gitlab cat
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# [jgmac1106] ohh it was [LewisCowles] who said it, you two can work together
# [carolgilabert] that'd be nice
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# [suze_shardlow1] What's the URL for this Slack workspace please? Trying to add it on my desktop. Thanks 😀
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# [suze_shardlow1] Bingo thanks [voss] I had wrongly typed in indieweb.slack.com 👍
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# [jgmac1106] [KevinMarks] can you add those to an an === IndieWeb Examples === section on https://indieweb.org/JavaScript? would that be helpful to people looking?
# [KevinMarks] that page is not helpful in general tbh
# [KevinMarks] I wonder if it's worth refactoring so that the ranting at client-side js stuff is split from links to libraries?
# [jgmac1106] yeah...good point, does scream an anti javascript bias as written
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# [LewisCowles] [Dan_Q] ++
# [carolgilabert] Link to Fathom if people are interested:
# [carolgilabert] https://usefathom.com/
# [carolgilabert] If people do want to see what data I get through Fathom let me know and I'll share my screen and show you 🙂
# jamietanna[m] https://goaccess.io/ may be the one we're looking for?
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# [KevinMarks] I wrote an. apache logs scraper, but not dataviz https://github.com/kevinmarks/logmung
# jamietanna[m] Morph is massively distracting [annadodson] and I here
# [KevinMarks] mine is for munging apache logs into usable TSV for excel
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# [LewisCowles] @KevinMarks++
# jamietanna[m] https://etherpad.indieweb.org/OwnYourRSVPs is the next session at 1530
# [jgmac1106] kevinmarks what does mung mean? you use it a lot in naming
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# [jgmac1106] well my Known site is down...not sure if it has something to do with swapping my nameservers so fast.....all my other subdomains working....will wait and see
# [LewisCowles] I Think if you are using Travis to build, it might have to be a hook in Jekyll that checks if that page is published on a site
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# [jgmac1106] where do you link to your website on: https://dev.to/cheukting_ho
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# [carolgilabert] https://github.com/queerjs/website
# [carolgilabert] https://queerjs.com/
# [jgmac1106] [Cheuk_/ Cherrie] let's move to dev
# [jgmac1106] also we tend not to use threads as it doesn't work well with irc and matrix bridges
# [LewisCowles] meetup API https://www.meetup.com/meetup_api/
# [carolgilabert] the website is awesome, isn't it?
# [carolgilabert] looks like it uses airtable to store the RSVPs
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# jamietanna[m] When is https://etherpad.indieweb.org/microsubfeeds starting?
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# [jgmac1106] what is the etherpad for current session?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "etherpad for current session" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "etherpad for current session is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [jgmac1106] oops
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# jamietanna[m] Looks like you can use your `access_token_key` and `access_token_secret` from https://granary.io with https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/
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# [Ana_Rodrigues] ⬆ my preview doesn’t work. It renders empty.
# [Ana_Rodrigues] unfortunately, everything microsub is still on my todo list 😕
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# [Dan_Q] My front-page preview works but my individual "kind" feeds don't... how odd.
# [jgmac1106] [Ana_Rodrigues] that is a microformats issue not a microsub issue
# [Ana_Rodrigues] Thanks! I will try to tackle that tomorrow when I refactor my html on my conversion
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# [KevinMarks] mung stands for Mung Until No Good - it means to process text hackily
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# [Dan_Q] Ah! I had some h-feed nesting that was throwing off Monocle. Fixed now!
# [Ana_Rodrigues] Thank you so much for attending today 😊 chat to you all tomorrow
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# [suze_shardlow1] Thanks folks, that was awesome. Have a great evening and I’ll see you tomorrow 😀
# [jgmac1106] what you mean urls david?
# [jgmac1106] for pdf parsing? you can grab any from my bookmarks https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/content/bookmarkedpages/
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# [LewisCowles] To receive on your site or how to markup a like for example?
# [jgmac1106] try https://jgregorymcverry.com/mypoetry should have multiple h-feed and rss options mixing up audio, video, notes, and articles
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[cleverdevil] Howdy!
# [cleverdevil] Been a while. Work has kept me crazy busy.
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# [cleverdevil] :)
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# [chrisaldrich] Morning Cleverdevil, I think we've just gotten up to the tail end of IWC London.
# [chrisaldrich] is sad that I've managed to sleep through most of it. Should have had a late afternoon nap yesterday.
# [cleverdevil] Ah cool. I still use it all the time! I haven’t really worked on it at all in a while, but it seems to be humming along just fine.
# [chrisaldrich] doubleloop, have you opensourced your theme? It really looks lovely?
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# doubleloop [chrisaldrich]: Thanks! Yes it's here: https://gitlab.com/ngm/doublescores
# [cleverdevil] One of my favorite features of my site!
# [chrisaldrich] doubleloop++
# doubleloop It's a bit hacky and unfinished
# [chrisaldrich] I'll list it on the WordPress/Themes page if you don't mind...
# doubleloop Sure please do :)
# [chrisaldrich] I'll try to look through it in the coming week or so. I like the way you do the colors in the reply contexts for Post Kinds.
# [chrisaldrich] The community can always use some additional themes that are IndieWeb friendly.
# [LewisCowles] We can pair if you like
# [LewisCowles] There are two sides to it. Sending, and receiving
# [chrisaldrich] doubleloop, it looks like you started from _s right? and not GWG's fork of it mf2_s?
# [chrisaldrich] What is mf2_s?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mf2_s" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mf2_s is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# doubleloop [chrisaldrich]: ah yup it's from _s, I didn't know about mf2_s
# [cleverdevil] Nice! I use Trakt for my use case. Makes it super simple.
# [chrisaldrich] It's hiding in here: https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes#Themes_Supporting_Microformats
# [chrisaldrich] What is tagline?
# Loqi A tagline is a short phrase intended to uniquely identify a person, product, or organization, usually displayed visually on a web page shortly after the name https://indieweb.org/tagline
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# [chrisaldrich] snarfed, didn't it have some optional support for goodreads?
# [snarfed] right! maybe? i don't see that on https://silopub.p3k.io/ though
# [chrisaldrich] And support for allowing silo sites like wp.com, tumblr, etc. to use it as a micropub support service?
# [chrisaldrich] It's been a while since I've looked at it too...
# [snarfed] ah, that part, yes! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/796 is open for PRs
# [snarfed] and for goodreads, we actually have a lot of good research and end to end prototype code done for adding iot to bridgy. jamietanna, edent, etc have done great prep. definitely also open for PRs or other contributions! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/905
# [snarfed] funny, i don't see either goodreads or wp.com etc in the https://silopub.p3k.io/ UI, but i don't know it well
# [chrisaldrich] I know the dev of ThreadReaderapp on Twitter was looking at supporting Micropub to allow posting tweetstorms/threads to one's own website and silo.pub could give them WordPress.com, Tumblr, and some others.
# [chrisaldrich] I remember someone adding Goodreads just before the original silo.pub went down (it had a button on the front page as I recall). aaron may not have updated his?
# [snarfed] yup. https://github.com/kylewm/silo.pub/blob/master/silopub/goodreads.py . doesn't really matter now though since there's no publicly usable hosted version with it afaik
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# [chrisaldrich] reminiscently pours one out for Woodwind
# [chrisaldrich] kylewm++ for early infrastructure
# [KevinMarks] I miss woodwind too.
# [cleverdevil] !tell [grantcodes] it looks like the hosted version of Together is broken, but maybe just for me? I get a blank white screen after initial load. FYI!
# [chrisaldrich] KevinMarks++ for the livetweeting IWC London using his own tools (aka /Noter_Live)
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# doubleloop [cleverdevil]: Together seems to be loading OK to me at the mo
# [cleverdevil] Hmm... I am using Safari on iPadOS and on macOS and I get a blank white screen.
# [cleverdevil] Actually, on iPadOS, I get an error message about service workers and redirection.
# [jgmac1106] But monocle still works for you?
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[grantcodes] I did update it and there was another report of the same thing, so I assume I broke something - although it has been working for me
# doubleloop Hmm I thought I'd see if it was because I was previously logged in from earlier today, but I don't seem to be able to log out
# doubleloop I got automatically logged back in
# [grantcodes] Yeah me too
# [grantcodes] It's because I added heavy caching in a step towards offline support
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# [chrisaldrich] What is a colophon?
# Loqi A colophon is a page or section, like a footer, of a site that describes how the site is made, with what tools, supporting what technologies https://indieweb.org/colophon
# [chrisaldrich] what is uses?
# Loqi using is the name of an authoring and/or publishing application, or can also be a page of tools and services that someone uses or likes to use https://indieweb.org/uses
# [chrisaldrich] using << colophon
# Loqi ok, I added "[[colophon]]" to the "See Also" section of /using https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69049&oldid=68339
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# [chrisaldrich] Since IWC London is remote, don't forget to add what project(s) you may be working on for Day 2, particularly for people who may like to collaborate on particular ideas: https://indieweb.org/2020/London/Schedule#Sunday
# [snarfed] i'll volunteer support for anyone who wants to start adding goodreads to bridgy! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/905
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[jeremycherfas] Sorry to have completely missed what looks like a great first day of IWC London. I hope I can catch demos tomorrow, and the videos later in the week. Kudos to all.
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# [cleverdevil] Sorry I missed the response [grantcodes]. Yes, monocle works for me, but not Together in Safari or Firefox as far as I can tell.
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# [chrisaldrich] [grantcodes], if it helps my WordPress site is experiencing the same white screen issues after logging in (on both Chrome and Firefox); I hadn't used it in a week or so, but did get a notification on Chrome that I needed to refresh the page for a new version; after refresh and authentication: white screen...
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# [chrisaldrich] We definitely need to do some work on the wiki with regard to things like the "getting started guide was kind of mind blowing. The reason is: along the reading I was *overwhelmed with alternatives*."
# [chrisaldrich] In marketing speech we need a better IndieWeb "funnel".
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# [grantcodes] If you all get `v3.10.1` of together the issues should be gone
# [chrisaldrich] [grantcodes]++ clearing caches and it seems to work again!
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