#indieweb 2020-03-31

2020-03-31 UTC
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[jgmac1106] people liked meetups recommended events they just got in emails and on the site when you registered for an event
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aaronpk found another use for my collection posts! I can add conference talk sessions under the conference event post!
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[tantek] so it sounds like meetup's primary advantages were: 1. email spamming/notifying you of *new* events, and reminders, 2. search/discovery of meetups near you / on topics you're into / that people that like also like
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[tantek] I for one found the spam noise too much so unsubb'd / logged out of all meetup stuff and generally avoided it for that reason
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[jgmac1106] recommendation engine seemed to be geolocation driven first, followed by topic, then tangential related topics
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[jgmac1106] reading different small business boards in CT many people are worried bc meeetup (high anxiety now all around of course) if events = livelihood. Meetup was a major lead generator as well for them, your spam, someone else's bacon I guess
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sknebel for spaces where events take place? or for people running events?
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aaronpk i think there's some way that meetup promotes event discovery that people like and don't consider to be spam
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sknebel discovery on the website I find ok, the email notifications about other events I might find interesting have been quite bad
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] this whole shelter-in-place is really calling into question priorities of making things livelihood that are suddenly deemed "non-essential"
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[tantek] When I hear "lead generator" I hear someone finding people to pitch stuff to that they don't need, one of the worst aspects of capitalism (generating artificial needs just to convince people to pay for crap/services they don't need).
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[tantek] I see the more the purpose of events = social cohesion
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[grantcodes] chat
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[grantcodes] ?
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[jgmac1106] yeah if we aren't talking ui of a meetup replacement and what people need in events platform
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[tantek] [grantcodes] yeah it's borderline. I suppose I'm looking at focusing on use-cases for event posts (and systems) that are more biased towards "essential" needs and social cohesion rather than people extracting from each other which feels exploitative (like silos)
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gRegorLove I must have had my notification settings off for recommended events on meetup. I did like the homepage calendar of all nearby events and found a couple interesting meetups that way.
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[jacky] ^ that was a good feature
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[jacky] but tbh all of this is stuff that came from users
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[jgmac1106] gRegorLove yeah the calendar view was cool, might be neat featrure [aaronpk] as well as list view
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[jacky] not necessarily meetup.com
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aaronpk what do you mean came from users?
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gRegorLove yeah, they just build that ever-difficult part, discovery
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gRegorLove *built
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[jgmac1106] meaning they added all their events and populated the calendar
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[jacky] like users had to provide the content that meetup can dress their platform with
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aaronpk oh sure but that's true with any social media
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[jacky] (does that make sense? like yeah, meetup had a solid UX but it was refined and tested by user content)
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aaronpk i'm interested in finding the features they provide and ways to recreate those in an indieweb way
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aaronpk like which of these should be features of readers for example
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[jacky] hmm right
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[jgmac1106] what if you had away to filter and subscribe to the calendar, like any Friday night events, in Y (a radius around a city), about X topic (being the tag)
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gRegorLove Relevant recent session: https://indieweb.org/2020/Austin/newaffordability
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[jacky] sees the word affordability and knows a designer was invovled
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gRegorLove Combined session, not really a representative hashtag XD
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[jgmac1106] New Affordability is a great oxymoron....remembers backing away from a session that become nothing but geolocation data talk
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gRegorLove I suggested geo markup so readers could potentially show feeds by proximity. Added h-geo on the project day for that if anyone wants to experiment.
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[jacky] _interesting_!
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[jacky] LOL @ aaronpk at 3:35 saying “this is a deep rabbit hole”
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aaronpk heh
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[jgmac1106] yeah but would it be easier if a city is manually added to just say X mile radius around that city? rather than relying on somoen to correctly have geo data?
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aaronpk here we go again
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[jgmac1106] sorry and not a chat for main
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[jacky] ah damn naming places is like a age-old problem
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[jgmac1106] but in terms of events sites, people like the calenders and subscribing
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gRegorLove I've made a huge mistake dot gif
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aaronpk gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 20 karma in this channel over the last year (74 in all channels)
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[jacky] _hahah_
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[jgmac1106] can't decide whether to like or bookmark you mistake
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gRegorLove Definitely check out the video for that session, aaronpk touched on why naming places is wild and should probably be avoided
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aaronpk can someone screenshot the meetup.com calendar view that they like and add it to /Meetup
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gRegorLove Sure
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[jacky] yup - the multiple names for a place when sharing names
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[jacky] yeah def was going to avoid that lol
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[jgmac1106] zip code then? x radius from zip code
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[jacky] zip codes are bounded areas and IIRC aren’t universal
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[jacky] like it’s a _start_
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[jacky] lemme finish this video though - some stuff from it isn’t captured on the wiki
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aaronpk [jgmac1106]: go read the session notes or watch the video :)
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[jgmac1106] it was pitched as a combind community/local web session.,...went technical and over my head two seconds in
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[jgmac1106] I was there for a hot minute and rolled to a different one, was only 1/2 of the combined session, not the 1/2 I was interested
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aaronpk anyway my immediate concerns are figuring out what to add to Meetable to improve the event publishing part of the picture, then I want to figure out what to do on the discovery/subscription half of the picture to figure out what to add to Monocle/Aperture
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[jgmac1106] sessions, imo, I want to be able to add sessions to an event
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aaronpk that's come up a few times
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[jgmac1106] I can't login into meetup.com anymore, not sure why
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[jgmac1106] yeah if you just want casual meetups you are fine already, but mutliday events, i'd like people to rsvp at the session level for logistics
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gRegorLove Uploaded: https://indieweb.org/meetup.com#Discovery_of_nearby_events
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aaronpk gRegorLove++
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[jgmac1106] I added one of just the homepage, my location was preloaded so I must have authorized some time ago, not logged in
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[jgmac1106] need to go film a video for my students first though on "how to use a wiki" and see how this goes
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sufja Hello
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[KevinMarks] Upcoming was an event database, meetup was more a toolkit for organisers to create recurring topical meetings. I think it grew out of a political campaign tool and referenced Bowling Alone
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sufja I have a question related to web development, is this the right place to ask it?
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sufja If not, which channel's the best one?
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aaronpk sufja: #indieweb-dev is the channel for development questions, but these channels are focused on personal websites, not general web development
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aaronpk see also: https://indieweb.org/discuss
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sufja Understand
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sufja Which channels' the best one for such questions?
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sufja Just seeing programming channels
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[KevinMarks] Ah I have that backwards - meetup was used by the Dean campaign in 2004
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sufja It is perosnal website related. I'll ask in the dev channel
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sufja Thank you aaronpk
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