#indieweb 2020-04-28

2020-04-28 UTC
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[snarfed] thx. the casualness of "when things don’t make sense, I start to suspect malice" was kind of stunning, too
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aaronpk yeah for real
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aaronpk that's the opposite of my assumption
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[snarfed] i think he's been nekr0z in here in the past, but not right now
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[snarfed] srsly
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[manton] Just saw you reply [snarfed], via Webmention to Micro.blog of course. I'm really confused by that post and trying to understand where the disconnect is. What is described in that post does not match how Micro.blog is designed to work at all. (Webmentions should work in and out, and registration is not required.)
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Loqi [manton]: [LewisCowles] left you a message on 2020-03-23 at 9:22am UTC: No worries, hope you are well or getting there. Thank you also for getting back to me
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[snarfed] given the attitude and inaccuracies, may not be worth too deep a dive, but up to you
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[manton] I appreciate the reply. At the very least I want to understand where the confusion is.
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[snarfed] sure! which also demonstrates exactly why we believe/know you have good intent, not ill!
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aaronpk i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he sent a webmention and didn't see it show up as a comment on the post
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aaronpk without realizing that not everyone displays comments on their posts even if they do see the webmentions
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[manton] Yeah, maybe it didn't work the way he expected. There's always room for improvement but right now all the basics with Webmention really should be working well in Micro.blog.
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aaronpk this kind of thing is always going to be an issue in the indieweb because people choose to make their software work differently and that's okay. if you're expecting everything to work like twitter, you'll be disappointed, because in the real world everyone's sites do not work exactly like twitter.
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[manton] For sure. Also, thanks [aaronpk] for your reply too. Much appreciated. (It is hard for me to know how to respond to being accused of doing something "shady", so I will probably let it go for now rather than nitpick some of the misunderstandings in the post.)
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aaronpk probably best for now
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jussi^ Good morning!
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Loqi guten morgen
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jacky good UTC morning
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[LewisCowles] [manton] [aaronpk] etc. Are you sure that anti-micro.blog post isn
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[LewisCowles] *isn't something else entirely
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[chrisaldrich] How might it have been read alternately [LewisCowles]?
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[chrisaldrich] I found it odd that he considered Blogger and WordPress (i'm guessing .com) potentially first class IndieWeb sites. They may be from the perspective of own your domain and have a website, but their ability to deal with Webmentions gracefully is second or third class at best (or awfully expensive at worst).
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[chrisaldrich] His hard line that a platform needs to have full Webmention support was over what most here would define IndieWeb. And left completely unmentioned were other additional niceties like IndieAuth, Micropub, WebSub, and Microsub support which Micro.blog has while very few other platforms have all of those functionalities much less a fraction of them.
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Loqi [manton] has 24 karma in this channel over the last year (59 in all channels)
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[chrisaldrich] Also all-too-frequently missed as an IndieWeb feature in comparison to everything on his list: it's easy to use! [manton]++
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[chrisaldrich] Anyone know who's behind https://www.threaded.live/? Their twitter account followed me today and of the few they're currently following there seem to be a lot of IndieWeb-centric folks. I'm curious if there's something interesting about to happen here?
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Guess I've got some work to do today. :)
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sebsel in today's IndieWeb pains: in the time it takes to hook up all the syndication links to my reply, the other party already replied back.
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sebsel really want to work on that soon
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sknebel :D
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sebsel (a Twitter reply that is)
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[jgmac1106] morning all
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[prtksxna] Hey [jgmac1106] 🔆
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[jgmac1106] Hey Prateek hope all is well on your side of this rock
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[prtksxna] A bit rocky (😜) with the complete shutdown in India, but things are okay. Thank you for asking 🙏
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[jgmac1106] My really good friend lives in Bengaluru but was visiting parents I think somewhere in Punjabi, got stuck his village, when locked down happen...his work be like W Y U No Remote.....
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jgmac1106 welcome Srikanth
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[prtksxna] [jgmac1106] Oh man! It is so difficult being for the people who were at other places during the lockdown 😞
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[LewisCowles] [chrisaldrich] seems like a vent but it's littered with references. Even replies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praemonitus_praemunitus
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[grantcodes] I'm starting a new 100 days challenge with work peeps on may 1st, think I'll be doing a lot of indieweb stuff. So if anyone else was wanting a reason to start one now is your chance 😄
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jeremycherfas Canvassing opinions on time and date for a meeting of the Known Open Collective. Please go to https://framadate.org/T5832rnOcRIBwoeY and express your preferences. Note, I set up timezones for CEST; it will be interesting to discover the time you are presented with.
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sebsel [grantcodes]: 100 days is a long time, I know from the previous edition (made it to 45 then, still feels like failure, which is sad). I might join you for 30 :)
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[grantcodes] Eh I'm not super serious about it.
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[grantcodes] 100 things by the end of the 100 days is my goal. Doesn't have to be every day 😛
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sebsel oh not being serious about stuff helps in a lot of areas
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[LewisCowles] are some of the 100 day posts micro-updates?
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aaronpk Followup post from yesterday https://evgenykuznetsov.org/posts/2020/microblog-2/ cc [manton]
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Loqi [Evgeny Kuznetsov] Maybe I misjudged Micro.blog
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[manton] Glad to see that. It does seem like it started as mostly a misunderstanding (or bug somewhere). After sleeping on it, I did end up sending a quick reply to his first post because it kept nagging at me. My reply showed up on his blog via Webmention so something must be working right. 🙂
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sknebel Is there an overview somewhere of "what are webmentions expected to do in which case"?
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sknebel this has changed over time afaik, and could explain some of the confusion
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[manton] Yeah, for Micro.blog this help page is current but I think it should be expanded with some examples. https://help.micro.blog/2017/webmention/
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aaronpk The 2017 date in the URL threw me off
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aaronpk And the "published 2017" at the bottom
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aaronpk might want to include "last updated" somewhere on the page so people know its current
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sknebel right, e.g. it isn't clear to me if they didn't expect something to happen for their posts that are POSSEd to m.b?
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[manton] [aaronpk] Yeah, the URLs are not great. I plan to remove the year, but it's a holdover from how the help site started as a blog. I'll update the footer in the meantime.
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aaronpk Yeah that's probably good enough anyway
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[manton] Fixed. It now has the updated date in the footer. (Thanks y'all.)
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[chrisaldrich] sebsel, I appreciate your pain. I've been known to go to brid.gy and force an update to maintain real time reply threads
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[snarfed] oof. [chrisaldrich] bridgy should maintain correct reply threading regardless of timing, so hopefully you just mean to get replies back sooner?
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[chrisaldrich] [snarfed]++ for brid.gy. Yes I mean just for getting replies back sooner. 🙂
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jmac I ❤️ Bridgy
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jacky bridgy++
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