#indieweb 2020-05-04

2020-05-04 UTC
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[tantek] Has anyone here read "LikeWar"? Seems quite like it could have quite an impact on how we'd want to design and use indieweb systems differently from "social media": https://www.likewarbook.com/
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[jgarber] ☝ def. worth reading
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[tantek] You've read it?
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[jgarber] It’s been recommended to me by enough folks whose recommendations I trust. I haven’t been able to summon the nerve to read it.
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[jgarber] But I’m familiar with the authors and the topic.
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[jgarber] The Discussion Guide on the website poses some great questions:
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[jgarber] > How did the history of the Internet shape our wars and politics today?
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[jgarber] David Sanger’s _The Perfect Weapon_ is in the neighborhood of _LikeWar_, too.
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[jgarber] How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? 😬
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[tantek] Separately I'm still working on my (increasingly long) blog post documenting default use of military metaphors in corporate speak/comms, and it's making me more & more concerned that there's a pattern (among/across such metaphor usage), whether deliberate or emergent, and wondering if there are structures/parties actively strategically reinforcing or even amplifying that pattern
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[tantek] of course the next step after identifying a pattern is naming it. once you name it, it's easier to point to and critically discuss it
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[jgarber] Now I’m really curious to read this blog post…
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[tantek] though that's starting to get off-topic from indieweb per se, except the context of writing it up in an indieweb blog post
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[jgarber] True, true. Definitely let me know when you hit publish on that one. Very interested to read it.
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[prtksxna] https://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/rupa-publications-amber-sinha-the-networked-public might be a good read too
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[jgarber] Thanks for the recommendation, [prtksxna]!
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Creating a 'Firehose' Feed" https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/05/04/firehose-feed/
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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[LewisCowles] Good morning jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas Hello [LewisCowles]
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[LewisCowles] making bread just now
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[LewisCowles] standard white-loaf
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jeremycherfas -> #chat
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fkrt2 Newbie here
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fkrt2 I have a question...
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fkrt2 Where privacy lands in all of this?
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[snarfed] welcome fkrt2! that's probably too broad a question. do you have a specific problem or concern?
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[snarfed] also, feel free to share your personal web site!
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fkrt2 [snarfed]: thanks!
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fkrt2 I'm just working on my website. What I mean is, let's say I want to get my domain name and a web hosting or VPS; should I prioritize services that are privacy oriented if that is something I value?
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[snarfed] sure!
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GWG If you value something, you should prioritize it
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[snarfed] GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (142 in all channels)
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fkrt2 Indeed!
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GWG I wish I had more time to do everything
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fkrt2[m] <GWG "I wish I had more time to do eve"> What you mean?
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GWG I said everything
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GWG There are aot
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GWG a lot of things for my website I'd like to do
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fkrt2 i see
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GWG fkrt2[m]: Privacy is a pretty open term...can you be more specific about what you want to accomplish?
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fkrt2 GWG: Guess I'm just want to have an internet experience as private and secure as possible. Without being trap in this bubble created by advertisement companies and silos.
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fkrt2 Not even sure if something like that is possible
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GWG So, for your own website, that might mean no tracking cookies or such?
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fkrt2 Or, if it's worthy
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[tantek] GWG, do we have a how to for that? "no tracking cookies or such" ?
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GWG [tantek]: We probably should.
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GWG The last discussion I recall on it was Analytics and Jeremy Zilar back in '14.
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GWG What are cookies?
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Loqi cookie is a bit of data stored by the browser that gets send with every request to a website https://indieweb.org/cookies
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GWG What is privacy?
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Loqi Privacy is “the ability of an individual or group to seclude themselves or information about themselves and thereby express themselves selectively” https://indieweb.org/privacy
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fkrt2 What is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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fkrt2 Coold stuff
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GWG [tantek]: Any ideas on where it might be located?
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[tantek] GWG, the /cookie page would be a good place to write up a How not to cookie — any idea how you would start that?
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GWG Not specifically. I usually defer upstream, but I may do some research.
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GWG [tantek]: Do you remember vaguely a 2014 conversation about analytics disclosures?
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[tantek] what is disclosure?
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Loqi A disclosure is a bit of content, typically on a home page, on an indie web site that proactively discloses some aspect about the site that the site owner wants the user to explicitly be aware of https://indieweb.org/disclosure
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GWG I mightwant to revisit that.
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GWG I have a privacy policy on my site. I don't make people accept it though
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[snarfed] generally you make users users accept terms of service, not privacy policies
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GWG [snarfed]: I was thinking more of those annoying cookie popups, sorry
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GWG I don't think people really pay attention to them
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fkrt2 I do, those are annoying
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GWG That would make for a good discussion topic with a group. Website disclosures and terms of service for personal websites
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[KevinMarks] static site generators << https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1257386847216586760?s=20
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "static site generators" or similar
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@dhh @MattMueller We don't use Rails for marketing sites. We use Jekyll and the like 👍 (twitter.com/_/status/1257386847216586760)
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[tantek] what is an SSG
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Loqi Static site generators are programs that take a set of flat text files on disk and transforms them into a set of static html files ready to be served by a standard web server, or some variation of this example https://indieweb.org/SSG
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[KevinMarks] I was remembering the plural in the dfn
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[tantek] good point
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[tantek] worth the extra redirect
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annadane zuck apparently has an account on the fediverse lol
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annadane i assume it's a joke but it does have more than one post
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[tantek] I'd assume it's a fake account unless he verified it with e.g. rel=me from his FB profile 😉
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annadane i know he once donated to diaspora
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annadane i only mention this because his account has the "verified" checkmark thing but i highly doubt it's actually him
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[tantek] if it's Mastodon, you can click the green verified checkmark to see which indieweb site he used to verify it
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[tantek] Mastodon supports rel=me as the open protocol for their verified checkmarks
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[KevinMarks] Is there still a way to get outbound rel=me from Facebook? It was weirdly there inside js for a while
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annadane i want to think zuckerberg can embrace competition but ...
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jacky I should add a disclaimer on my site
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jacky I do make tracking very easy to block
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jacky but tbh, I might go the other way and make it opt-in
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Loqi I agree
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[KevinMarks] He has a twitter account https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=finkd
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[tantek] optin++ yes please Jacky that would be an excellent example to set
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Loqi optin has 1 karma over the last year
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