#indieweb 2020-05-26
2020-05-26 UTC
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supernovah anyone know a quick plugin for deleting or modifying specific cookies per domain? the chrome developer extension makes it kind of a tedious process for testing
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# ronox hi, can anyone help me understand some stuff about sitemaps?
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Loqi A sitemap is a list of pages on a website https://indieweb.org/sitemap
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[tantek] Wow https://foursquare.com/ says "Sorry! We're having technical difficulties. / Check status.foursquare.com for the latest." but status site doesn't show anything as being non-operational
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# ronox specifically what im after is if i need to give google a complete sitemap for my site or not
# ronox logically id think that a sitemap is only used as a guide, not something absolute because then how does that work with blogs that get new pages added regularly, surely you dont have to resubit the sitemap, but, i dont know how it works in practice so i was hoping someone could give me some insight there
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# ronox my blog is what really matters anyway that needs to be properly visible in the search engines
# ronox its wordpress and soon i think can generate its own sitemap im just figuring out the plugin i hope is free, so it works
# ronox and makes one, but it wont map the whole site since the blog is in a blog directory
# ronox i need it to speed up the domain change transition
# ronox see, i used to go by oldmanbeefjerky, used it as my online name for a long time, turns out, its not a great name
# ronox my domain used to be oldmanbeefjerky.com, now its not that, i use the name ronox
# ronox but, turns out you cant have 2 domain names for the same site, at least on google, so everything prioritized and got locked to ombj
# ronox ages ago i disabled that domain but the changes still havent been reflected
# ronox google is apparently just ridiculously slow about this and supposedly a sitemap saves them a bunch of time and energy meaning they can proritize updates and stuff in the search engine more
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# [LewisCowles] is that a personal website?
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# vika_nezrimaya I have a power outage and I can't post in my blog about it! 😭
# vika_nezrimaya Because my blog is hosted on a Raspberry Pi in my home and it's not powered anymore! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
# vika_nezrimaya Considering renting a server when I have the money and software scalable enough for the dreaded cloud
# vika_nezrimaya Or... getting a battery backup
# vika_nezrimaya Probably will be cheaper unless the internet is also down which it might be!
# [LewisCowles] 15-20 dallars get a 20,000mah power bank
# [LewisCowles] a server to compete with a rPi is only about $5/pcm
# ronox if your power goes out im pretty sure your internet would go out too, unless your RPI cant reboot after
# [LewisCowles] the internet would be out, but you could just post to the pi via ssh
# ronox post what?
# [LewisCowles] files, commands
# ronox im a bit confused about the relevance of that
# [LewisCowles] because it's a pi within your home, there is a lot you can do
# [LewisCowles] > I have a power outage and I can't post in my blog about it! 😭
# [LewisCowles] > Because my blog is hosted on a Raspberry Pi in my home and it's not powered anymore! 😭😭😭😭
# ronox aah
# [LewisCowles] so if you had power, you could locally network
# ronox yeah offline over local you should still have access
# ronox and it would work as normal
# ronox provided you hard lined to it or had power backup for the router as well
# [LewisCowles] you might have to change some things, but that is an argument for a battery
# ronox nah youd still be able to access it and post to it through its local address im sure
# [LewisCowles] in order for it to have a local address, you either need your router on, or to reconfigure it
# ronox it originally would have had to have had a local address, so thats just a matter of if you disabled that or not
# ronox disabled it after exposing it to the internet that is*
# [LewisCowles] this is totally dev chat, but that is total nonsense. The local address is an address provided by a router in a lot of cases (DHCP), so without the gateway (router) having power, you'd need to re-configure the pi. The one way around it would be to use the Pi as a gateway
# [LewisCowles] IF (large if) the Pi was a gateway, the addresses would still be valid, but you'd have severely limited your connection
# ronox i was talking in the scenario where you powered the router
# ronox otherwise yeah, of course, youd need to configure an alternative route
# [LewisCowles] it's a staged post nekr0z
# [LewisCowles] ronox, powering a router + pi + pc (maybe laptop makes PC case easier) is quite a lot to ask for in a power cut
# [LewisCowles] easier to focus on the lowest power staging device (pi)
# ronox in my own experience theres very little actual formatting done on blog software, its pretty basic
# ronox theres no reason to really wait
# [LewisCowles] nekr0z, sure, but that isn't their setup
# ronox just write it up and post it when the power comes back up
# [LewisCowles] changing their setup, might require... the internet
# [LewisCowles] giving a pi a static IP, can be done without the internet
# ronox also, powering a router is actually easy, since my router and NBN box is satelite during the last big cyclone that took out power for 2 weeks where i lived, was no big deal to plop a solar panel on the patio, have that charge a battery and use the battery to power both things using a 12v and 24v converter
# ronox you know what
# ronox for a situation like this the smart thing to do would be to have your RPI have your phones wifi saved in there too
# ronox your phone may or may not support the neccesary functions to connect it to the internet, but locally, it should
# ronox mine does anyway which is not exactly a good thing but then again hotspots dont have to be that level of secure
# ronox or, just do it in word and be patient
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# ronox to clarify, i often use my phone to access my ESP8266 stuff, but as i dont have router access, until im ready to implement it i just use my phone for testing stuff
# ronox my last 3 phones have all definitely allowed me to connect locally
# [LewisCowles] isn't that choice more about the esp chip not having an rj45?
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# tinfoil-hat Hey there, I decided to make my website indieweb complian, however, since I created the website by hand, it doesn't have RSS. Do you have any ideas on how to generate RSS feeds and maybe add a comment engine? Please only opensource software, I do not plan to add or use propetary software
# [LewisCowles] what is h-feed?
# Loqi h-feed is a microformats2 draft specification with a top level feed object to contain root class(h-*) objects, usually h-entry posts and optionally a common author, name, and representative photo https://indieweb.org/h-feed
# [LewisCowles] what is webmention?
# Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
# [LewisCowles] tinfoil, meet open standards and the wiki. There is no enforced proprietary software in IndieWeb
# Loqi granary is the social web translator https://indieweb.org/granary
# [LewisCowles] boom jacky++
# tinfoil-hat Ty all! that's a lot to read :-)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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# tinfoil-hat uhm, I thin I havetried too often to validate my h-card of my domain, I don't get results displayed anymore at https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/ is there something I can do? Other pages still can be checked
# tinfoil-hat I think I am blacklisted, I'll guess, I set up my own validation server then :(
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# [LewisCowles] if you share a link, maybe we can find out what is up. Indiewebify.me is OpenSource btw
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[jgmac1106] this is awesome: https://citizen-dj.labs.loc.gov/
# [LewisCowles] that is an interesting government website
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# j4yav Anyone able to help with a brid.gy matching issue? https://metaluna.io/notes/2020/05/24/i-got-webmentions-wo.html was mapped to https://twitter.com/j4yav/status/1264636563620868096 correctly, but https://metaluna.io/notes/2020/05/26/have-any-of-you-read.html is not matched to https://twitter.com/j4yav/status/1265196971880579072. I'm not sure what I broke. :) I'm using https://micro.blog/metaluna to replicate to Twitter.
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@j4yav I got webmentions working on https://metaluna.io! #IndieWeb tech is a bit wild west, but it's really cool. (twitter.com/_/status/1264636563620868096)
# Loqi [Jason Yavorska] I got webmentions working on https://metaluna.io! #IndieWeb tech is a bit wild west, but it's really cool.
# tinfoil-hat sknebel: I got it, the validation shows just an empty page if theres a syntax error
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# tinfoil-hat What exactly is the difference between h-feed and h-entry? do I need both?
# marinin[m] @tinfoil-hat: h-entry is a single post, while h-feed is a collection of posts.
# tinfoil-hat marinin[m]: ty
# [jgmac1106] tinfoul-hat been working on the MDN docs a bit: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/microformats a goal this summer is to build out articles for all h*
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# tinfoil-hat neat
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# tinfoil-hat Sorry, I need help with designing my h-feed, my blogposts sit here: https://tinfoil-hat.net/blogposts/structure.html How can I Create an Anchor? I create my Blogposts via Panoc and of I understand it right, I have to create some type of header to my blogposts to get them recognized ... from what? I have problems with the logic
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# marinin[m] I'd say that each link to a post is a <a class="h-entry">, and the first container wrapping all the blog post links could be an h-feed.
# [jgmac1106] yeah I could mark it up correctly in a gist if that would help but we should move convo to #indieweb-dev channel
# tinfoil-hat oh, okay
# tinfoil-hat ty
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# [LewisCowles] I think I hit this issue that h-feed should be singular per-page, so the sub-categories you have could be tags, labels or categories, within the h-entry tinfoil-hat
# [LewisCowles] did you know you've got meta-tags in your body?
# marinin[m] "did you know you've got meta-tags in your body?" this is cyberpunk
# j4yav imagine hacking on your body the way we hack on our websites :)
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# [LewisCowles] first hack. A fat and carbohydrate powered thought generator
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[prtksxna] ↩️ Thanks!
# [prtksxna] ↩️ I can’t seem to find a way to ship it to India 🤷♂️
# [prtksxna] ↩️ And its quite expensive too… oh well!
# [LewisCowles] ↩️ my tip would be to use libgen if someones capitalism is infringing on your knowledge
# [LewisCowles] ↩️ make best efforts. Oh well, you don't want to be paid. Add to a list of life debts
# [prtksxna] ↩️ Hehe, yeah! Thank you!
# [prtksxna] ↩️ I’ve been trying to figure out a way to read more papers
# [prtksxna] ↩️ I like the free journals like first monday
# [prtksxna] ↩️ I really can’t be shelling out 30$ for every paper I want to read
# [LewisCowles] ↩️ I believe it mirrors sci-hub. Local libraries may be a more traditional route
# [prtksxna] ↩️ Right, I do visit the local library often, but they don’t have this kind of material 😞
# [LewisCowles] ↩️ Knowledge is problematic, in that we covet the very things that could help others progress. I get into trouble sometimes at work for writing off my day to help others. Logic is simple, one of us has a % chance of not doing something valuable today, but together we can increase the chances of one thing getting done.
# [LewisCowles] ↩️ *one of us -> each one of us
# [prtksxna] ↩️ But knowledge unlike property need not be owned, right.
# [prtksxna] ↩️ ‘the more of us know, the more chances of getting it done’. Is that what you meant?
# [LewisCowles] ↩️ Yes shared freely, so that people who are not us can do things we might not have time or be able to otherwise do
# [LewisCowles] ↩️ if the knowledge was free, I'd argue it pushes up the value of the doing
# [LewisCowles] ↩️ because things become verifiable
# [prtksxna] ↩️ Yep, right. Absolutely!
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# jeremycherfas @prtksxna I find that paper authors remain quite willing to send a pdf of the paper or preprint if you ask directly.
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# [prtksxna] jeremycherfas: I’ve never tried that. Should give it a shot 😄
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[KevinMarks] what is a blogroll?
# Loqi A blogroll is a list of other sites that you read, are a follower of, or recommend https://indieweb.org/blogroll
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# [KevinMarks] blogroll << http://interconnected.org/home/blogroll
# Loqi ok, I added "http://interconnected.org/home/blogroll" to the "See Also" section of /blogroll https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70072&oldid=70062
# [LewisCowles] Do you know that person KevinMarks? It seems like something only someone that knows the person might find
# [LewisCowles] Also !tell jeremycherfas. I'm making bread, and just finished a new flow for writing blogs. I still have a backlog of older content to sit through updating, but I'm mildly happy. Thanks for the tips RE: word. I've chosen to instead copy and paste into word from my site. It's a manual step, but I do feel like I need the control of authoring HTML and hoping for better native HTML tooling for editorial assistance.
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# [jeremycherfas] That’s terrific news. I hope the bread is satisfying for you. I too have a backlog of things I need to write ... Doesn’t everyone?
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# [LewisCowles] the blog was about learning, investment and fixing up software. Word Only complained about Lea Verou name when I checked, but always welcome 👀
# [LewisCowles] I also have something backlogged from Greg, who noticed an unexpected hole in my serviceworker. I try for a fresh-copy first in all cases. I really need to revise that to start with stale and refresh in another way
# [LewisCowles] if the fresh copy takes > 200ms I fall back to cached, but that 200ms can be jarring
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# [jeremycherfas] Only one actual bread recipe in the backlog at the moment.
# [LewisCowles] A thought occurred to me (just the one mind) about curry flavour bread
# [jeremycherfas] That’s astonishing. The bread on backlog is turmeric flavoured.
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# [LewisCowles] Water still has not had yielded more rising since the doubling for me. I'm trying flipping the loaf part-cooked. I may need to purchase a different oven Something 10cm wider, hopefully taller. I'm looking for 20cm height. Cutting got me maybe an extra 1.5 cm
# [LewisCowles] I think after transfer to tin I also need to leave it a bit as the rolls I've made are looking wonderful
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KartikPrabhu can we call ir microdough?
# KartikPrabhu :D
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, in case you hadn't seen it, jeremycherfas has a separate site dedicated to bread with lots of recipes: https://www.fornacalia.com/
# [chrisaldrich] And then he's also got a bread related podcast at http://eatthispodcast.com/bread
# [chrisaldrich] wishes he had enough bread related posts to need two other sites to post it all... 😉
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@ladyaeva wow I can't believe twitter is shutting down for good on June 1st https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY-R6BeWsAAlcHb.png (twitter.com/_/status/1265391017366339591)
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# [chrisaldrich] [LewisCowles] I'm curious what made you think that blogroll kevinmarks shared seemed private? https://chat.indieweb.org/2020-05-26#t1590517747759900
# Loqi [[LewisCowles]] Do you know that person KevinMarks? It seems like something only someone that knows the person might find
# [LewisCowles] Oh not private chrisaldrich, but not private doesn't mean easily discoverable.
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# [LewisCowles] my main curiosity was that they were not using microformats, rel=me etc. It's also not a criticism, more a curiosity
# [LewisCowles] also apologies [chrisaldrich] some using app, some using slack, I can forget to "@" people at time
# [LewisCowles] *times
# [chrisaldrich] no problem [LewisCowles], I'll see them sooner or later usually. 🙂
# [chrisaldrich] I understand what you mean by private vs. discoverable and the idea of pseudo-private. I was curious if it was something about the data, the layout, or the content.
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# [chrisaldrich] The thing that stuck me about it was that it was a full page. I'm not aware of many people who have full page blogrolls and have only seen a few small examples in the wild.
# [LewisCowles] Ah, nothing so visual
# [LewisCowles] when I joined the internet people had "click here to enter". I still quite like the site. It's clean, if not a little cluttered in HTML
# [chrisaldrich] I often find that not having microformats on a blogroll typically means it wasn't made with WordPress.
# [LewisCowles] Haha. I'm writing mine in raw HTML, was WordPress, then Jekyll, prior to WP it was a custom PHP CMS, and prior to that just a collection of PHP, HTML, CSS & JS files
# [chrisaldrich] I feel like the default definition of a blogroll is one of overly public data. I've always read them to mean "I subscribe to these people and I've kindly made a custom presentation to help you subscribe to them more easily".
# [chrisaldrich] Usually I've only seen them as widgets in sidebars. It's been relatively rare to see full page examples.
# [chrisaldrich] What is blogroll
# Loqi A blogroll is a list of other sites that you read, are a follower of, or recommend https://indieweb.org/blogroll
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# chrisaldrich Looks like most of the IndieWeb examples are separate pages though....
# [chrisaldrich] The people on that blogroll are all some of the most followed people in both the old- and new-school blogosphere(s).
# [chrisaldrich] I keep meaning to look at the old WP core code for blogrolls and updating it with mf2....
# [chrisaldrich] Or maybe copy it and make it a new plugin altogether....
# [chrisaldrich] Do you have a current one [tw2113] [LewisCowles]?
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# [chrisaldrich] I still need to figure out how to most easily convert mine to be able to import it into a social reader.
# [chrisaldrich] either?!
# [chrisaldrich] If you know which URLs to check you can find some interesting old blogroll data from old WordPress sites that no longer publish the data for people to consume.
# [tw2113] i believe https://achooandthesneezes.com/recommendations/ is mostly all blogroll based links
# [tw2113] and then the middle column above the footer area of https://apiratelifefor.me/about/ is blogroll
# [chrisaldrich] Recommendations is a good name for such a page.
# [chrisaldrich] [tw2113] That middle column appears to be an all rel-me blogroll, no? How did you implement it? Is there a blogroll widget I ought to be using for something like that?
# [chrisaldrich] I know there's a plugin that will do it, but a line of code in the right place works too. That's how I've done it for https://boffosocko.com/about/following/
# [chrisaldrich] Though the breaking it out into its own page took some digging.
# [chrisaldrich] I think it may be the simplest plugin in all of WordPress.
# [tw2113] look at these first results https://cloudup.com/c4zJ9NS1MuB
# chrisaldrich Ha!
# chrisaldrich How to know you might care a little too much about blogrolls on WordPress...
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@rboren @photomatt I recall the jokes made about crusty blogrolls when we deprecated the links manager. Now, folks are exhuming it for use as their canonical OPML source to feed OPML subscriptions. https://boffosocko.com/2017/11/10/a-following-page/ (twitter.com/_/status/1019275363522895874)
# [chrisaldrich] I was pretty proud to see this in the wild: https://twitter.com/rboren/status/1019275363522895874
# [chrisaldrich] [tw2113] you should add your example to the /blogroll page.
# [LewisCowles] [chrisaldrich] I don't, but I don't RSS or do any of the cool thinks bloggers do
# [chrisaldrich] [LewisCowles] Only the coolest of bloggers use h-feed...
# [chrisaldrich] This means you've got an RSS feed for free via https://granary.io/url?input=html&output=atom&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lewiscowles.co.uk%2Fblog%2F
# [chrisaldrich] (technically an Atom feed, but you get the picture....) 😉
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