#indieweb 2020-05-27

2020-05-27 UTC
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[LewisCowles] I think I maydrop the schema.org from all but the start page as it's really not relevant
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[LewisCowles] also that atom feed calls my root site an alternate representation of my blog
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[LewisCowles] is there a header to tell granary not to work on my site. I don't like that at all
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[snarfed] [LewisCowles] you're welcome to block its user agent
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[snarfed] unlikely anyone will use it regularly (or at all) on your site if you don't publish a feed or other link to it though
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[snarfed] also beware if you use bridgy. it should use its own UA everywhere, but one or two from granary may have slipped through
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[tw2113] call me skeptical, but schema.org feels like Google going "we want to get into the semantic markup game, but control everything about it, and we can not rank so highly those who don't use it"
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aaronpk -> #indieweb-dev but yeah
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[LewisCowles] snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 36 karma in this channel over the last year (92 in all channels)
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jacky [tw2113]: yup
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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j4yav good morning
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Loqi morning!
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rMdes I have an issue..
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rMdes I changed my domain name from rmendes.net/blog to blog.rmendes.net, how do I recover my indieweb.org profile ?
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aaronpk there isn't really an indieweb.org profile, you can just log in as your new address
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aaronpk if you want to move the content from your user page you can just move the page or copy and paste the content into the new one
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rMdes hmm like this Okay, sounds good
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rMdes thanks
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[itsjustk] what is cozyweb
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cozyweb" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "cozyweb is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[itsjustk] Just though I would say hi all! Sometimes trying to keep up with this gets a little overwhelming so i take some small breaks 🙂 It would be cool if there was some sort of TLDR functionality!
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[schmarty] itjustk: hello and welcome back! i also have issues keeping up in these channels. the weekly newsletter often helps if i am away for a long while
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[schmarty] what is this week?
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/this-week
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petermolnar update from a few days ago regarding non-chronological archive pages: I dropped the idea. I've tried mutliple way (grouping, tags, different layouts, etc), but all felt weird and as a stepback from a UX perspective. That setup probably requires a non-article based content approach.
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[itsjustk] ohhhhh thanks for that, didnt realise we had a this week
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[schmarty] petermolnar: sounds like you learned a lot, at least about what is lacking for each approach! worth a post? 😄
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[schmarty] itsjustk: i used to summarize the this-week posts into a ~10 minute podcast but got busy with other projects and stopped 😅
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[itsjustk] yeah dont blame you! You have to have a will of steel to keep up with podcasting imo
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[schmarty] keeping it short meant a lot of work summarizing and cutting down a tight script. the actual recording / editing / posting was kind of like a fun dessert by comparison!
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[KevinMarks] [petermolnar_] would making collection pages for the ones where you have a narrative make sense?
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petermolnar [schmarty]: on it's own, probably not, the whole refactoring my generator, maybe
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petermolnar [KevinMarks]: there's nothing like that to be fair. If I had pages which I keep updating (eg. "FreeBSD stuff"), it would, but not in the way I have my site right now.
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[KevinMarks] I don't mean tags, I mean more like old school blogging where you link and quote a lot. Or like buzzfeed where you collate
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[jgmac1106] no people just call those newsletters
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[jgmac1106] now*
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petermolnar [KevinMarks]: yep, I understood it. I'd need to backfill so many years into a handcrafted archive page, and right now, I don't have that time :)
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[Murray] [petermolnar_]: seconding [schmarty] would love to hear what you tried/considered/learnt. Been going through similar topics a lot lately as a result of completely changing the way I taxonomise information on my site, found a lot of the stuff around digital gardening useful but ultimately haven't found a model that works for me _sigh_
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petermolnar [Murray]: I'll try to get myself to summarize it
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[tantek] Tomorrow ought to be interesting: https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1265772261929291776
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@Acosta On the flight back from Florida, WH press secretary told reporters on Air Force One Trump plans to sign an executive order aimed at social media companies. WH says the exec order will be signed Thursday. (twitter.com/_/status/1265772261929291776)
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aaronpk wat
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[tantek] yup
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[tantek] just saying, be prepared for inbound for "alternatives to social media"
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[KevinMarks] This is because twitter labeled one of his lies with a link to some truth.
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[tantek] yup, exactly the kind of marginalia I predicted they could
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[tantek] 08:44 PDT in #indieweb-chat yesterday: "twitter could choose to show marginalia debunking the conspiracy theories and falsehoods"
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[tantek] hmm, wonder if anyone from Twitter is in #indieweb-chat >:)
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aaronpk havne't they had that feature for a while?
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[snarfed] yup
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jacky [tantek]: lol
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jacky so w.r.t "forget me" from -chat
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jacky something like original-of but instead it takes in a hcard and removes content that can be associated to it
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jacky the most immediate idea was like explicit tagging of a h-card
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[tantek] you don't even need an h-card, just someone signing in with IndieAuth/RelMeAuth
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jacky but I personally saw it going as far as removing / deleting webmentions from a particular author
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[tantek] once you've confirmed they control that domain, you can empower them to untag their URL etc.
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jacky [tantek]: totally! I leaned on h-cards only because of one's internal contact list
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jacky oh good point!
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jacky I did push back saying that they could issue deletions but they explicitly wanted to remove the content (or ask to remove to be specific) from a particular site
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[tantek] you could even do it on a post granularity
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jacky hm like remove any reference to this URL?
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[tantek] no like from a specific post
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[tantek] e.g. tagged on a photo you want to be untagged from
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[tantek] but not from all photos on that site
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[tantek] that's a common social media interaction
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jacky ahhh right right
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jacky that actually might be easier to do
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jacky than being able to work upwards
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[tantek] could even be discoverable on your own persontags, have some way to prompt "Are you jai.example.com? sign-in to untag yourself!"
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jacky (could do the reverse and ask to opt-in tbh!)
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[tantek] and if someone had already signed into your site, then you could show them button prompts to untag themselves
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jacky I wonder if that's something that could be surfaced in a reader as well
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[tantek] oh yeah! sign-in to tag yourself in the photo!
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vilhalmer that's a really neat idea
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jacky slams on keyboard
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[tantek] that was me jamming on your "opt-in" suggestion jacky
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[KevinMarks] Well, there's a spam threat model there if people can link arbitrary bits of your photo to their site. If they do it by webmention it at least requires that they link to you.
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vilhalmer could also tag everyone yourself but not display it unless they confirm
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vilhalmer then you have it for your own reference even if it isn't public
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vilhalmer and it acts as a whitelist
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vilhalmer (or flip it and moderate)
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jacky vilhalmer: yup!
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jacky [KevinMarks]: I don't follow - they won't be able to tag arbitrarily
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jacky like you can say "hey I've tagged you in this, do you mind if I make it public?"
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jacky that's as far as I'd _want_ it to be tbh
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[KevinMarks] That was in response to Tantek's "sign in to tag yourself"
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[KevinMarks] Which can be a useful thing - the Flickr #needstags approach
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jacky ah okay