#indieweb 2020-05-28
2020-05-28 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] HWC West Coast Zoom Room https://events.indieweb.org/2020/05/online-homebrew-website-club-west-coast-xAK8AU2k1nHp and Etherpad are up: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2020-05-27-hwc-west-coast
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# [chrisaldrich] "Silos: They're just not that into you..."
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Loqi [[chrisaldrich]] Is anyone else using their personal website as a coronavirus journal/diary? There may be some benefits for doing so. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/smarter-living/why-you-should-start-a-coronavirus-diary.html
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Sonia Hi
# Sonia https://www.loom.com/
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KartikPrabhu yo!
# Sonia what is the slack link for the group?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "slack link for the group" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "slack link for the group is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# chrisaldrich https://chat.indieweb.org/slack is the link to get into Slack
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Gardens and Streams" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Gardens and Streams is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek_ Gardens And Streams is /2020/Pop-ups/GardenAndStream
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# [chrisaldrich] A fun little Twitter visualization: https://obrowne.eu/tweetGraph.html Has anyone built any Indie visualization tools along these lines?
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@visakanv thanks to @ollybot_browne I finally have a visual on what the @visakanv web of threads looks like http://obrowne.eu/tweetGraph.html https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY7jz0uU8AA0zwI.png (twitter.com/_/status/1265199033628323840)
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# [snarfed] [chrisaldrich] https://indiemap.org/docs.html#social-graph-viz , but that's sites, not posts
# [chrisaldrich] snarfed, yours was one of the few I could think of... And the links between sites is very interesting above and beyond internal links within a site....
# [chrisaldrich] I've got a plugin called TiddlyMap on my TiddlyWiki that shows a visual map of internal cross linking that's actually pretty useful for finding and searching pieces: https://boffosocko.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Snapshot-Memory.png
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# [chrisaldrich] You can play around with it directly at tw.boffosocko.com by clicking on the map tab in the right sidebar.
# [chrisaldrich] Roam Research has a silo version of this sort of thing in their wiki/note taking product as well.
# [chrisaldrich] I haven't done as much as I'd like with my map pieces, but I've added a bit of color and some icons to differentiate books and authors on some nodes.
# [chrisaldrich] There's some documentation at http://tiddlymap.com/
# [chrisaldrich] Oops, force of habit, that should be http://tiddlymap.org/
# [chrisaldrich] What is visualization?
# Loqi Visualization is the process of displaying data with graphics or charts https://indieweb.org/visualization
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# [chrisaldrich] I feel some gardening coming on....
# [chrisaldrich] What is indiemap?
# Loqi indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 https://indieweb.org/indiemap
# [chrisaldrich] visualization << [[indie map]] has https://indiemap.org/docs.html#social-graph-viz
# Loqi ok, I added "[[indie map]] has https://indiemap.org/docs.html#social-graph-viz" to the "See Also" section of /visualization https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70100&oldid=70098
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# j4yav is there any self-managed static site template out there that comes pre-IndieWebified? I've customized my middleman instance so extensively, it would have been helpful if there was one with most of the right tags in place, and I can't see why it wouldn't be possible.
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# [chrisaldrich] [tw2113] every quarter there's a conversation about rerunning the code to remap the community. If you've got the time, desire, and some resources, it's doable. Somehow no one's volunteered yet...
# [chrisaldrich] what is Hugo?
# Loqi Hugo is a static site generator written in Go https://indieweb.org/Hugo
# [chrisaldrich] j4yav, there's a template for Hugo on that page that kevinmarks did a while back. Is that the sort of thing you're looking for?
# [chrisaldrich] micro.blog is also based on Hugo and there are a handful of pre-configured themes that should have proper mark up there as well.
# j4yav Yes, sort of, that Hugo IndieWeb page links to this article: https://www.amitgawande.com/indiewebify-hugo-website/. I was wondering if there was any SSG that already did that for you at this point.
# [chrisaldrich] [tw2113] snarfed can give you the details if you're interested. He might even have them documented somewhere too, though you could find prior conversations by searching chat.
# j4yav It's basically the same steps I followed successfully already for Middleman.
# j4yav thanks! It's not urgent, just curious.
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# [itsjustk] Morning all 🙂
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# [itsjustk] the indieweb, its not an "all or nothing scenario".
# [itsjustk] Been reading lots of articles from you folks about coming off of social media and it's really tempting, but there's quite a lot i would miss out on with specific ones. Facebook I could do without (I would probably still have to use messenger though, seeing as 99% of my friend base are not that technically literate), but Twitter and Instagram have a lot of my enjoyable hobby stuff on them (and a few tech bits in twitter's case). I guess, just like
# [itsjustk] Yeah, but i dont have much interaction on my twitter, i mainly use it as a feed consumer
# [itsjustk] hmmmm, ill have a look at integrating those bits then!
# [itsjustk] its funny how alot of people associate "algorithm" with something that is apparently devoid of human interaction and biases. Has it been presented like that in the media and I've kind of missed that part because i know thats shite?
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# [itsjustk] 😕
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# Loqi algorithmic feed (AKA algorithm-driven feed or just algorithm feed) is a more correct term for the "algorithmic timeline" lie, and an increasingly common feature on social media silos such as Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter, where they show only some posts from your followings, as well as show some posts only hours or days after they were posted, thus not in chronological order https://indieweb.org/algorithmic_feed
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# [itsjustk] Sure, but there still can be human bias in "traditional computer science algorithms" right? Like visual recognition etc
# [itsjustk] i remember when i was at uni in 2008, one of our first assignments was to create a compression algo, and the tutor was basically like "we have been setting this task for years, if any of you come up with something good, the university is going to take it and license it ourselves" :troll:
# [itsjustk] urrrr didnt mean to do the stupid troll face
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[jgmac1106] okay my students this semester gravitating to either tumblr, or using google sites for their homepage and blogger for their social streams
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petermolnar I keep wondering that nothing is really happening to tumblr since Automattic bought it
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# petermolnar at least the "we value your privacy" interstitial should have been removed...
# [jgmac1106] tumblr labs is fun, I play with some experimental features like automatic emoji and sentiment analysis coloring and font choices
# [jgmac1106] The Google and Blogger surge I understand Google pwns the K12 market....teachers want to demonstrate skills..too bad Google Sites is so not HTML
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# [itsjustk] my partner's college (not uni) age kid is having to use google classrooms recently and my partner has just ended up printing everything out, and then taking pictures of the finished work and emailing it to her teachers, it is not a straight forward system, you pretty much a very good prerequisite knowlege of google drive to use it.
# [itsjustk] *pretty much need
# Guest41616 Hello IndieWeb Bouncer playing up
# Guest41616 OK, I need to register my nick again. But I have to go out first.
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jeremycherfas Yay. BRB
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[KevinMarks] Blogger does let you write HTML still
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# [jgmac1106] [KevinMarks] yeah on the /getting-started page we have directions for using the old theme builder to add mf2.
# [jgmac1106] they seem to be using Google Sites as the porfolio/homepage and Blogger as the stream
# [jgmac1106] [itsjustk] yeah if you weren't a Google school already it can take some learning, but interesting to think about the UX of communities and shared files
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# [jgmac1106] [KevinMarks] reviewing my notes you helped me add the mf2 to the old Blogger themes....thank you....
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# [jgmac1106] If people are looking for content to write maybe writing your "IndieWeb mantra" could be a post, here is an assignment I made for my students: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/05/28/how-to-write-your-literacies-mantra-edu407
# [LewisCowles] Greg, what is that tooling for annotation and highlighting?
# [LewisCowles] This is WithKnown, but not as I know it
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# [jgmac1106] hypothes.is integration
# [jgmac1106] nobody ever uses it. I should remove it to improve performance...
# [jgmac1106] then add fragmentions someday, but I use hypothes.is all the time with students...but only people who use it on my Known site are other poets who riff on my poems with their poems in the margin
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# [LewisCowles] jgmac1106++
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# petermolnar Loqi, can you schedule tweets?
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# [itsjustk] Turns out you still need to give Facebook a load of data just to have a messenger account, so I guess I'm not coming off after all!
# [itsjustk] I did DL all my photos though which I'll work at adding to my site, so I guess that's a positive!
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# [chrisaldrich] If I'm making a list of major CMSs that we'd like to have support Micropub but don't, who should be on it?
# petermolnar WordPress and Drupal, I guess
# [jgmac1106] Tumblr WatPad
# KartikPrabhu what is CMS?
# Loqi A content management system (often abbreviated as CMS) is software used to create, enter, edit, update, delete content on websites; some CMSs are used for IndieWeb sites, see the tables on this page for current usage https://indieweb.org/CMS
# [chrisaldrich] I've got Ghost, Joomla, Grav, Squarespace, Wix, Tumblr, Magento....
# [chrisaldrich] I'm about to unleash a unique tweetstorm...
# KartikPrabhu [chrisaldrich]: there is whole list on /CMS
# [jgmac1106] IMO then call it a thread, I think tweetstorm is a war related metaphor back to blitzkrieg
# [chrisaldrich] WordPress and Drupal would be good to have in core, but they've got simple plugins....
# [chrisaldrich] I think of tweetstorm as a weather related metaphor not a war related one.... thread might be okay, but I'm hoping it'll be a full suit of clothes in that framing. 😉
# [chrisaldrich] Most of the ones on /CMS I had and many of those already have some sort of micropub support.
# [jgmac1106] be interesting to trace back to see if it was flooding the stream or "stroming" the castle....maybe it my youth in Tornado Alley that turns me from the word storm
# [jgmac1106] if hypothes.is is considered a CMS that would be neat
# [jgmac1106] and Tumblr downgrades posts the more external links they have
# [jgmac1106] or atleast that is unconfirmed scuttlebutt I see
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# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] I've been nudging hypothes.is to add it for a while... search my site to find the details and nudge them similarly...
# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] it may also be the concept of Stormtroopers which Twitter seems to side with too frequently...
# [chrisaldrich] Here's the list I've got currently: @Ghost @grabaperch @squarespace @Wix @getgrav @magento @typo3 @Blogger @medium @Tumblr @mediawiki @omeka
# [jgmac1106] Chris drop a few comments and links from your blog into here: https://via.hypothes.is/http://langwitches.org/blog/2020/01/31/new-forms-hyperlinked-hashtagged-and-lateral-reading/#annotations:ca78QqEnEeqr7T-KPb75dA
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# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] deviantart.com, and Flickr
# [jgmac1106] and finally I wish there could be a way to micropub just a few details of posts to a creative commons search engine CMS or something
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# [KevinMarks] So is part of this reviving silopub?
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# [chrisaldrich] kevinmarks, there was some discussion of it, but I'm not sure if they've got that part done or not.
# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] I'm saving more social facing silo services for the "soundcloud account tweet" after-the-fact.
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: https://publ.beesbuzz.biz/blog/467-Publ-v0-6-5
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