#indieweb 2020-06-04

2020-06-04 UTC
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chrisaldrich Homebrew Website Club West Coast starting in just a few: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/06/online-homebrew-website-club-west-coast-1P43gcdXwUea with Etherpad at https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2020-06-03-hwc-west-coast
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[chrisaldrich] Good evening homebrewwers.
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[chrisaldrich] I posted it in the online chat, but don't see it mirrored in Slack....
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[chrisaldrich] For the rest of the crowd: Homebrew Website Club West Coast starting in just a few: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/06/online-homebrew-website-club-west-coast-1P43gcdXwUea with Etherpad at https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2020-06-03-hwc-west-coast
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zootella hyper://fb0b0a3a4a8e4cc9e0ccfbd4398a9d82e14f5e171050c449e0fe9636d8709cc5/medium1.html
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jacky zootella: what is hyper?
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jacky is that dat's new schema?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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jacky TIL
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jacky beaker browser didn't open it up
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jacky lol welp that site looks like it's down
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jacky tbh there needs to be some about a mirror to prime the seeding of these sites
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jacky like how websub (kinda) has superfeedr
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zootella jacky: ha yeah--beaker sites are never really "up" or "down"--there's just some number, 0+, of peers sharing a site
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KartikPrabhu so they are down if it is 0 ?
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KartikPrabhu else they are up
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zootella right now i've got 2 peers connected to me
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zootella but it still may take a new node awhile to find that swarm of 3
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zootella when there's only one web server it's really easy to say it's "down" or "up"; here it less clear cut
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zootella it would be good to count (centrally) how many clients would like a site they can't currently get, though
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zootella and how long it takes them to get it (if ever)
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KartikPrabhu sounds like a CDN, so zero servers = down and 1+ servers = up
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zootella except lots of times with this there can be servers that you can't reach
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zootella in a CDN, all the servers have domain names, DNS is updated, they're online 99.999% of the time, etc.
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KartikPrabhu zootella: sure, for a UX point of view, if I can't reach a site it is down, else it is up
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KartikPrabhu all the plumbing is just plumbing
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zootella here, none of that is necessarily true
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KartikPrabhu ok
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zootella if my site is reachable by person A, but not by person B, it's both up and down
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zootella yeah
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KartikPrabhu no, if I can't reach it it is down for me, hence I said UX point of view
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zootella oh, i see what you mean now
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zootella yeah
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KartikPrabhu I am not saying the approach is good or bad
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zootella the user's experience is that most of these sites are "down" or "really slow" a great deal of the time
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KartikPrabhu yup
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zootella this is the other thing i was interested in peoples' thoughts on from the meeting earlier
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zootella https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTMLIFrameElement/contentWindow
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zootella can i use that to make an iframe, load a text file into it, and then get the whole text file as a var in my js?
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zootella im going to try to do that, at least, but am not sure if some (important) browser security restriction will mean that No That Is Not Possible, essentially
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KartikPrabhu zootella: that sounds more appropriate for #indieweb-dev channel
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zootella sorry and sounds good
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KartikPrabhu :thumsup:
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jacky w.r.t to up/down of a site; it's purely from the perspective of the visitor to the resource
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jacky like right now, that resource is down
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jacky but it might be available for others
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jacky but others don't matter immediately to me because I still see it as down lol
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jacky I _do_ think that this is a bit bad tbh
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jacky or at least some more explicit messaging to the state
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jacky (no peers? waiting for a peer to respond? needing some sort of auth?)
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jacky might file some issues about this
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Designing a commenting system with data ethics in mind" https://sebastiangreger.net/writings/2020-06-commentions-comments-and-data-ethics
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[snarfed] google does fragmentions: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/4/21280115/google-search-engine-yellow-highlight-featured-snippet-anchor-text
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[snarfed] (proprietary, of course, but stil)
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aaronpk Oh snap they shipped it
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[snarfed] the chrome overcomplicated alternative? this evidently works in safari too so i wasn't sure it was that. or maybe they did it in webkit?
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jbove jacky The previous Beaker (0.8) had a feature where you could make it monitor the status of a hyperdrive and connect to it as it became available again. Don't think this is again on the roadmap for Beaker v1
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jbove zootella's hyperdrive is online now
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jbove Reaktivo has set up a hyper to HTTP gateway: https://hyper.reaktivo.com/ - it's not 100% functional yet. Mounted hyperdrives are not followed for instance and it seems to have issues loading up images.
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[chrisaldrich] It's interesting to see that there are no actual fragmentions in the URL though... so how exactly have they engineered it?
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[chrisaldrich] What is are fragmentions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "are fragmentions" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "are fragmentions is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[chrisaldrich] what is fragmention?
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Loqi A fragmention is an extension to URL syntax that links and cites a phrase within a document by using a URL fragment consisting of the phrase itself, including whitespace https://indieweb.org/fragmention
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[chrisaldrich] fragmention << https://searchengineland.com/google-launches-featured-snippet-to-web-page-content-highlight-feature-335511
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Loqi ok, I added "https://searchengineland.com/google-launches-featured-snippet-to-web-page-content-highlight-feature-335511" to the "See Also" section of /fragmention https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70193&oldid=68415
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[chrisaldrich] fragmention << Google Featured snippets and your website help page https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/6229325
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Loqi ok, I added "Google Featured snippets and your website help page https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/6229325" to the "See Also" section of /fragmention https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70194&oldid=70193
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[KevinMarks] and they linked to a wikipedia article with text it no longer contains https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment#:~:text=example%20URL
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Loqi [WICG] scroll-to-text-fragment: Proposal to allow specifying a text snippet in a URL fragment
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[KevinMarks] oh they shipped the disjoint selection thing. hah. https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment#:~:text=the%20worst&text=a%20Google&text=serious%20breakage&text=behavior
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Loqi [WICG] scroll-to-text-fragment: Proposal to allow specifying a text snippet in a URL fragment
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[KevinMarks] found poetry https://www.google.com/about/philosophy.html#:~:text=doing%20evil&text=is%20a%20business&text=take%20advantage%20of&text=all%20our%20users
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aaronpk 😂
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aaronpk drop that in a URL shortener for even more fun http://shorturl.at/lnr39
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aaronpk was this in their security/privacy considerations? the fact that now anyone can essentially make it look like a website says something else by selectively highlighting words like that?
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[KevinMarks] it doesn't survive twitters
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aaronpk odd
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[KevinMarks] i bet they broke twitter's parser
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aaronpk probz
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[KevinMarks] hm, doesn't work in FB messenger either
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[KevinMarks] I feel a post coming on
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[chrisaldrich] As soon as I saw the topic I felt a kevinmarks post coming on... I can't wait.
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[chrisaldrich] Can you credit the source of your "found" poetry [KevinMarks]?
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[KevinMarks] ? I just looked for interesting words to highlight.
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[KevinMarks] The technique is called blackout poetry
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[chrisaldrich] I suspected it was yours, but though you might not want direct attribution. 🙂
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[chrisaldrich] It's a whole new technique: highlight poetry.
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[chrisaldrich] Thus I read it as you "found" a poem...
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[KevinMarks] Maybe putting & in the fragment is breaking the link shorteners
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[chrisaldrich] I was writing it up as a fun example myself for some of the annotation/education crowd. Do you mind if I attribute the "found" poetry to you?
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[KevinMarks] No problem
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[kimberlyhirsh] Austin Kleon is a big name in blackout poetry.
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[kimberlyhirsh] It never occurred to me to do it with a journal article, but now I want to.
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[chrisaldrich] I just suggest to the Hypothes.is crew that they should allow segmented highlights...
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[chrisaldrich] I remember tumblogs dedicated to the art...
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[chrisaldrich] For those looking for more fun in shortlinks: bit.ly/D-ntB-Evil
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[kimberlyhirsh] .
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[kimberlyhirsh] oops rested my notebook on the keyboard...
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[chrisaldrich] Only a few extant versions of highlightpoetry on Twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=highlightpoetry&src=typed_query&f=live
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[KevinMarks] I was trying not to buy any more domains, damnit
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[chrisaldrich] What'dya get [KevinMarks]? highlightpoetry.com? 😉
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[KevinMarks] Not yet.
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[chrisaldrich] It could be a nice webmention based aggregation hub...
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jacky jbove: that sucks. I'm using the beta version of Beaker (beta version all of the things)
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[KevinMarks] http://www.gutenberg.org/files/26740/26740-h/26740-h.htm#:~:text=find%20beautiful%20meanings&text=as%20a%20moral&text=face%20in%20a%20glass&text=express%20everything&text=beneath%20the%20surface&text=so%20many%20strange%20conjectures
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jbove jacky: looking at the release-notes for release.4 of beakerbrowser and it looks like the folder sync will be back
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jbove whoops. my bad. totally different thing this "auto sync".
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[KevinMarks] ssg << how to make your own https://blog.lmorchard.com/2020/05/25/diy-easy-blog-oven/
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Loqi ok, I added "how to make your own https://blog.lmorchard.com/2020/05/25/diy-easy-blog-oven/" to the "See Also" section of /static_site_generator https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70198&oldid=69806
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