#indieweb 2020-06-06

2020-06-06 UTC
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[KevinMarks] silos << making indie site scaling harder by buying up operations as a service companies https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/06/technical-excellence-and-scale
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Loqi ok, I added "making indie site scaling harder by buying up operations as a service companies https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/06/technical-excellence-and-scale" to the "See Also" section of /silo https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70210&oldid=67867
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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vilhalmer morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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test2 hi
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[snarfed] [kevinmarks] that article seems out of touch. it feels like we've never seen more operations as service offerings. definitely way more than 20-30y ago, and probably also more than 10y ago.
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[snarfed] hell, the big shift over the last 10+y is that the big companies mentioned in the article all offer more of their own stuff as cloud services, which were often purely internal before. obviously google, amazon, MS, but also even FB and apple, etc
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[schmarty] that article definitely lacks in citations
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[snarfed] i love cory to death, but afaik he's not really a builder. which is fine, since he usually does his homework, but maybe not this time
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[snarfed] unrelated, and re the garden vs stream discussions here: https://bonkerfield.org/2020/05/swale-garden-stream/
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Loqi will stedden
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[KevinMarks] He was a builder, but a while ago, yes. There is a more difficult case there to make about Lockin and cross subsidy maybe.
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[snarfed] eh maybe. not the argument he made though. and the industry shift toward containerization, compatible platforms like kubernetes, etc have diminished a lot of lock-in too
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[fluffy] yeah, or semi-containerization things like Heroku
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[fluffy] where they handle all the containerization transparently based on a manifest you publish via git
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[fluffy] there is also ridiculous amounts of choice in the VPS space now
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[fluffy] for EC2-style virtualization
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[fluffy] most of them with better tooling, deployment, and pricing than EC2 as well 🙂
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[KevinMarks] True, and in principle microservices should make things more fungible, though in practice if you use, say, lambda you're locked into amazon.
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[fluffy] The Heroku and Kubernetes deployment models work really well with microservices.
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[fluffy] They do need a bit more scaling attention than what Lambda provides out of the box though.
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[fluffy] Oh and don’t forget Google AppEngine, even if Google does 😉
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[fluffy] hmm this is getting into #indieweb-dev topics
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[KevinMarks] I still like Google appengine, even if they did just break my dev env snarfed++
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