#indieweb 2020-06-15

2020-06-15 UTC
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[jgmac1106] morning everyone
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markopasha good morning!
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[James_Gallaghe] Morning everyone! 👋
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GWG Morning
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Loqi good morning
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[KevinMarks] this is interesting on the 'how to do hallways online' http://interconnected.org/home/2020/06/15/hallway_track
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b3u Do people usually send webmentions manually with each blog post?
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[snarfed] b3u: no, most people automate, either directly in their server/CMS or with tools like https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Publisher_Services
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b3u I don't really use a cms. I guess there might by a tool which checks on build. Thanks
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b3u [snarfed] I add the post locally and push to github. Netlify does the rest. Do you have a reccommendation?
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[snarfed] b3u i don't have recommendations, but there are lots of options in the link ^ above!
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b3u my content isn't that popular. Maybe there's no point in implementing webmentions...
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jacky b3u: not true! :)
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jacky I think https://webmention.app will send them when you hit the site via an endpoint. check it out
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b3u jacky sounds cool! What benefits do you see by me using webmentions?
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aaronpk i'd say the primary use is sending and receiving comments. less about blasting your blog post to whoever you link to, more about having a conversation
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b3u aaronpk thanks! also, thanks for webmentions in general.
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b3u I think that if there were enough ways to implement it, or enough articles about it, it would be more popular.
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b3u jacky I just looked at it. I had set it up a while back, but never had any webmentions to send, so I forgot about it.
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beko oh it is becoming more and more popular. It's just not that easy to find enabled blogs/pages :)
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b3u beko If there was a wordpress plugin, or some sort of commercialized service, it would become more popular. I wouldn't use either, but many would.
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b3u in my opinion
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beko b3u: you mean like #indieweb-wordpress ?
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b3u yes. wait...
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b3u okay, i give up. I wish that more blogs had them, though. medium, substack, stuff like that.
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b3u *more blog platform
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beko micro.blog has a lot but I seldom find blogs that interest _me_ personally. Seems to be mostly about photos. My treasures are usually blogrolls.
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jacky tbh it doesn't matter if it's "adopted by mainstream"; it has to be a priority and a want by them
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jacky to a degree, it's only as difficult as it can be to control one's site (and a LOT of platforms don't give people that)
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jacky it's less about the IndieWeb and more about the silo web ;)
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jacky WOW this UI for https://webmention.app is actually very nifty
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jacky like sending a Webmention was two clicks lol
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b3u https://webmention.app/docs provides a way to do it automatically with netlify build hooks
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jacky nice!
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[tantek] how many (if any) folks have built-in edit/version history UX on their blog posts (or named pages) ?
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[tantek] MediaWiki-like UI, but not MediaWiki
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[tantek] Kinda thinking we should make this a "by default" supported thing, regardless of which CMS you choose.
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[prtksxna] [tantek] i don’t, but my favorite is https://xxiii.co/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage?action=diff (maybe its mw? dunno)
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[KevinMarks] well, kinda as they're in github
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jacky I definitely don't have that on my site
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jacky version history is interesting tho
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Nefelibata 0.3 is out!" https://blog.taoetc.org/nefelibata_03_is_out/index.html
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[jgmac1106] It gets really big really fast too... I tried to keep a copy on my server but have to delete version history a lot... Prolly doing it wrong
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[jgmac1106] I have it on GitHub if people really interested
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[tantek] it doesn't have to get big if you just store the diffs
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[jgmac1106] I think that is where I am messing up but too much dev for more...manually it was too hard for me to do
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[jgmac1106] Pages where I might use Granary to convert metadata in my home pages into xml I add a dt-updated. But no version to old
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jacky [tantek]: can't lose a diff then! :)
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aaronpk i really like a lot of the design on https://mxb.dev
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aaronpk thinking about making some changes to my site based on that
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aaronpk for example, I don't know why it never occurred to me that I could have different CSS on my article permalinks than for notes
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aaronpk omg his theme picker is on point too
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aaronpk paintbrush icon, a drawer slides down from the top with previews of all the color themes
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[tantek] jacky, you end up merging diffs in order to "remove" an individual diff, plus you can keep "key frames" as it were, whole copies of initial / stable version
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[tantek] s
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jacky oh like collapsing revisions?
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jacky omggg I did NOT notice that theme tool
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jacky he wrote about it https://mxb.dev/blog/color-theme-switcher/
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jacky man now I wish I could push my system's color schemes into sites lol
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jacky I probably could tbh
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aaronpk gosh css variables make this so easy now
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jacky html[data-theme='{{ theme.id }}'] { {{ colorscheme(theme.colors) }} <-- the magic line
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vilhalmer yes! I've been working on making a modular blockquote thing that takes the appearance of the site it came from
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vilhalmer I just have to define a couple of vars with the site's colors
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jacky vilhalmer: that sounds _sick_ tbh
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vilhalmer the twitter theme is in the one blog post I've managed to post, I've got a tumblr one in progress for the next one
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vilhalmer would be cool to pull it automatically somehow but idk how I'd do that
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jacky LOL the rainbow ROAD theme
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vilhalmer omg that's amazing
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aaronpk yeah this is too fun, i need this on my site
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vilhalmer mine could use a few more easter eggs
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[grantcodes] I've had pick any color to generate a theme on my site for quite a long time now.
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aaronpk ooh generated themes
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aaronpk omg the floating head cursor is just out of control lol
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[grantcodes] Actually not that difficult if you keep your colors fairly minimal. I use chroma.js to figure out white or black text + a complementary color
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vilhalmer jacky: re: system color scheme, would be a cool extension to pywal or similar
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vilhalmer I bet it's already generating css of some sort since gtk uses it
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androidpunk hi
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androidpunk is this about web developing
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androidpunk or is something else?
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[KevinMarks] Web developing for your own website
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androidpunk ok
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androidpunk i made this website https://licguzman.github.io/doctores/ in my android (chrome) looks good. but if i refresh everything got messed... can someone give me the tag to fix it..i know its just a small detail but i have 1 day trying to find it
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androidpunk i watched the website in an iphone and looks mess.
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androidpunk who can help me?
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aaronpk this isn't really that kind of channel, especially because that doesn't look like a personal website
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aaronpk this is the channel for https://indieweb.org
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androidpunk im a lawyer mexican lawyer. :P that site is for my uncle that it's plastic surgeon
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androidpunk i did it for free and hosted in github
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androidpunk It's not for a corporation
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aaronpk in any case, development questions are better suited to the #indieweb-dev channel
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androidpunk ok
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aaronpk but people here are more likely to help out with questions about personal websites anyway
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androidpunk personal websites like blogs or diaries?
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jacky or both
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androidpunk if i create a website for someon who sell hot dogs nobody can help?
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androidpunk do u know a forum or irc channel where i can get help without restrictions?
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aaronpk stackoverflow.com is usually a good place to ask general web development questions
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androidpunk thanks.
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[KevinMarks] corporate web << https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1272621900527734790
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1272621900527734790" to the "See Also" section of /corporate_web https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70370&oldid=70367
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