#indieweb 2020-06-16
2020-06-16 UTC
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jacky either way, maybe the site should be the very thing in the topic (like https://indieweb.org/why -> next hwc -> etc etc)
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[jjdelc] Hello Indieweb~ I got a question about replies/webmentions/POSSE.
# [jjdelc] 2. Someone replies to the tweet
# [jjdelc] 1, I POSSE my post to Twitter
# [jjdelc] 4, How do I reply to the comment?
# [jjdelc] 3. Bridgy webmentions the reply on my post
# [jjdelc] 4.b) Reply directly on Twitter, and wait for bridgy to webmention it to my post from 1)
# [jjdelc] 4.a) New post on my site as a reply to the tweet (POSSE will use Twitter API to indicate tweet reply) - Now I have my content twice on the front page as a new post and later when bridgy catches it and Webmentions it to the original post from 1)
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[chrisaldrich] [jjdelc] There are lots of potential ways of doing this: I used custom fragment URLs which brid.gy supports for my WordPress site: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/02/threaded-conversations-between-wordpress-and-twitter/
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# [chrisaldrich] I think aaronpk has done something like this in the past as well. I'm not sure I've run across other versions in the wild. How do others do threaded conversations? I seem to recall someone also having implemented salmentions somewhere too...
# [jjdelc] Ah, I didn't think of the threading aspect, I thought of it as a flat list, because I don't get that many replies as to have encounter that, but it is the data structure
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# [jjdelc] in your case you use WP's comments to POSSEE them to twitter, so the canonical url is the fragmented one
# [chrisaldrich] I'm pretty sure I've used 4b as an option on micro.blog which has has better webmention support, but I think brid.gy has a harder time finding second and third level bits of conversation without some help because of Twitter's lack of support.
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# [jjdelc] yes that's my problem, I myself wouldn't know how to climb up the tweets and replies up. Can get unwieldy quite quick
# [chrisaldrich] I don't yet have an automatic mechanism for syndicating comments from my WP comment section (though Bridgy publish might work, I've just not tried it), so I POSSE those manually.
# [chrisaldrich] It can get a bit hairy if you're trying to do quick back and forth real time conversation on Twitter, but I rarely ever do that.
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# [chrisaldrich] considers talking ThreadReaderApp into unrolling entire threaded conversations as a micropub client....
# [chrisaldrich] I seem to recall having done some quirky gymnastics to get WithKnown to thread conversations back in the day, but it's been ages and I don't recall a good example off hand.
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# [jjdelc] I haven't gotten that far into the comments yet, I just wasn't sure what's the best way to display the comments, as double content or as single content, but then that means going to twitter to reply ... (which I do anyway)
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gRegorLove Not sure I understand the duplicate content in 4a, but I think I do 4b.
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# gRegorLove Wait, misread 4.
# gRegorLove I do 4a. I post a reply with in-reply-to=tweet URL
# [jjdelc] in 4a I write directly in my blog a new entry as a reply to the reply. So I get a new reply post. Then bridgy catches that and webmentions
# [jjdelc] This is an example, this is my original post https://jj.isgeek.net/2020/06/15-040759/ and this is the reply as described in 4a https://jj.isgeek.net/2020/06/15-220838/ - The content is twice... not a huge problem really
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Loqi [Avatar of Jj] Mon 15 June 2020 https://bm.isgeek.net/71/0f/8b88f4a69ebc0220022cf32ab0e5dad118210bcc82172b85c3e19d405039.jpg
# [jjdelc] and now that I see it, by it being its own post it can get webmentions and reactions, I think that makes it more evident
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# gRegorLove which content is twice?
# [jjdelc] https://jj.isgeek.net/2020/06/15-040759/ <- here the 2nd comment is my own reply
# Loqi [Avatar of Jj] Mon 15 June 2020 https://bm.isgeek.net/71/0f/8b88f4a69ebc0220022cf32ab0e5dad118210bcc82172b85c3e19d405039.jpg
# [jjdelc] Which was really this post https://jj.isgeek.net/2020/06/15-220838/
# gRegorLove Ahh
# gRegorLove If I'm replying to my own post, I would do in-reply-to my URL, not the Twitter copy
# [jjdelc] this is replying to a twitter reply of your POSSE
# [chrisaldrich] [jjdelc] I think the way you've done it is likely the most common pattern I've seen.
# [jjdelc] I see, well that's good to know
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# [jjdelc] I wasn't sure if there's a protocol to follow or if this is pushing out the limits of how far can POSSE go
# [jjdelc] Thanks guys
# gRegorLove Yeah, I've done it often. Bridgy is sending /salmentions to each post in the thread. You could potentially check those URLs to see if you have a local copy and show that instead.
# [jjdelc] ah I haven't even peeked at salmons yet
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# [chrisaldrich] I get the general impression that not many sites support salmentions. I used to do it manually in Known for some posts.
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# [chrisaldrich] GWG, I hear tell there's an IndieWebCamp coming up... maybe a session or two for that? And maybe a project for day 2? 😉
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# gRegorLove Well, I don't do anything special with them, but in the example [jjdelc] is talking about, visually it looks fine imo
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# gRegorLove Means I can show all the public comments on the first post in a thread, even if the permalinks to individual ones sometimes point to Twitter instead of my original
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# [chrisaldrich] What is a thread?
# Loqi A reply chain (AKA reply thread) is a list of replies, and replies to those replies, displayed under the original post https://indieweb.org/thread
# [chrisaldrich] We definitely need more examples there ^^
# gRegorLove oh wow, old page
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aaronpk But if I reply to my own post and posse that to twitter, (like a twitter thread), then my website sends a webmention to itself, and bridgy later sends the webmention for my twitter post, but my site links them up because it knows the bridgy post is a syndication of my own and that's how that duplicate is avoided
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# [chrisaldrich] What are comments?
# Loqi Comments are displayed in the context of an original post, and may be a mix of syndicated reply posts from other sites received via Webmention, as well as locally created comments https://indieweb.org/comments
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# [chrisaldrich] comments << https://utteranc.es/
# Loqi ok, I added "https://utteranc.es/" to the "See Also" section of /comments https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70372&oldid=69978
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# njha Hey! I'd like to add more indieweb-style things to my static site. Is there a list of things to add somewhere?
# njha So far I've marked everything up with microformats, but I'm pretty sure there's more stuff
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# Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/webmentions
# jacky when you're ready to set it up; check out https://webmention.app for sending Webmentions and https://webmention.io for receiving them (and getting an API to handle them)
# Loqi Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the indiewebcamp community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page and other indieweb essentials https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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# njha yay thanks for the links :)
# njha I'm at https://nikhiljha.com/ - microformats are still in a git branch so the site doesn't do any indieweb stuff right now
# njha oh, except an atom feed
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# [LewisCowles] jacky++
# [LewisCowles] > tbh it doesn't matter if it's "adopted by mainstream"
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# [Ana_Rodrigues] morning
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[KevinMarks] same for me when HWC West Coast starts
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[jeremycherfas] Good morning everybody
# [jeremycherfas] Lately I am finding Slack a much better experience than IRC. That might not last.
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# [LewisCowles] Good morning everybody. Good morning [jeremycherfas]
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# [itsjustk] Hi all! So a person I sort of loosely follow online has come up with this quite cool idea for a webring, https://weirdwidewebring.net/
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[grantcodes] Nice there are some really fun sites on there
# [itsjustk] Yeah!
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jamietanna Not had a read yet, but just seen traffic to one of my IndieWeb blog posts from https://thehistoryoftheweb.com/postscript/what-happened-to-the-webmaster/
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# [Ana_Rodrigues] I love that newsletter 🤗 they have been doing a couple of IndieWeb references in previous ones too
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[jgmac1106] there should be something in their about labor and ownership...in non tech industries you needed to hide your webby skills or get saddled with volunteer work
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petermolnar [Ana_Rodrigues]++ for that "Blogging and me" entry
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# b3u Is POSSE simply posting first on your blog, and then duplicating it on social media?
# b3u Cool. I guess not every tweet or retweet needs to go on my site.
# b3u Should I like to my site in the tweet?
# b3u *link
# aaronpk some discussion about that here: https://indieweb.org/posse-post-discovery#Tradeoffs
# b3u aaronpk thanks. That shouldn't be hard to do.
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[tantek] Might be of interest to some folks, in about 3hrs: https://twitter.com/mulegirl/status/1272987071104217088
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# [KevinMarks] Steven's book was pretty good
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# [KevinMarks] "Using the superpowers available to employees via Facebook's internal tools, you first had to log in using the account of the person who flagged the objectionable post, just to see it. If the post failed the probity test, then you'd use the tools to log in via the account of the offender so you could remove it. Thus violating the privacy of two people."
# [KevinMarks] “Monika Bickert and her team understand that it's not the same to say “men are scum” as it is to say “Jews are scum.” But they feel it would introduce too much complication to distinguish between vulnerable groups and privileged ones.”
# [KevinMarks] “Facebook was increasingly viewed like taxes—something unpleasant that was part of your life whether you liked it or not”
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