#indieweb 2020-06-17

2020-06-17 UTC
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jacky I feel like I'm the youngest person in this call
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jacky this always happens >_<
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jacky I just need to turn 30 so the 2x isn't offputting anymore
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[tantek] Lol
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[tantek] How was it jacky?
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jacky it was okay! obvs a lot of it is lead gen for his books but I also feel like people didn't press him hard enough about his info on facebook
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jacky my questions didn't get asked (too many in queue)
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[prtksxna] Has anyone else noticed google appending `#:~:text` to URLs
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aaronpk haha yes that’s their new fragmention thing
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[snarfed] https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment#proposed-solution , https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/6229325
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Loqi [WICG] scroll-to-text-fragment: Proposal to allow specifying a text snippet in a URL fragment
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[prtksxna] And all websites (on Chrome) have been highlighting the text, is that a default browser style?
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[prtksxna] Thanks [snarfed]. Googling that snippet was impossible 😛
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[prtksxna] Does this have anything to do with the web annotations spec?
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[snarfed] 🤷‍♂️
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[LewisCowles] [prtksxna] I have and I've really enjoyed it. I myself did it when referencing a link yesterday
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[LewisCowles] I've not been posting them in my own content on my site
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KartikPrabhu those links only work in Chrome and are not exposed to the linked site unlike fragmentions
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KartikPrabhu basically, as usual, Google just decided to do something on its own
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[KevinMarks] I was playing with it at highlightpoetry.com
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[KevinMarks] You could use them for webmentions in the same way. Also, the multi-select ones don't get through twitter and Facebook's link redirectors
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[LewisCowles] yeah I think of all interstitial forwarders as link obfuscation
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[LewisCowles] it's unnecessary and mostly prevents me from avoiding undesired snooping
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[LewisCowles] RE: rate limiting, it won't be public, it's more of a one of many scratchpad.
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[tantek] Facebook << Longrunning Criticism thread by Adam Rifkin: https://twitter.com/ifindkarma/status/955275728454483968 (lots of citations in thread)
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@ifindkarma Facebook prioritizes profits over protecting users: “Facebook is a living, breathing crime scene for what happened in the 2016 election — and only they have full access to what happened,” said Tristan Harris, former design ethicist at Google. Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/facebook-living-breathing-crime-scene-says-one-former-manager-n837991 (twitter.com/_/status/955275728454483968)
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Loqi ok, I added "Longrunning Criticism thread by Adam Rifkin: https://twitter.com/ifindkarma/status/955275728454483968 (lots of citations in thread)" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70386&oldid=70287
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[LewisCowles] Oh heck no... Google would be likely as complicit as would twitter be
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[LewisCowles] Google who could give me guides to how much users earned, or what their education levels were likely to be for a client account. The client NEVER collected that data, so Google should get off their high-horse regarding data. This is using the analytics service.
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[LewisCowles] It was never specific user identifiable
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[LewisCowles] but still, a breach of trust IMO
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[LewisCowles] all centralised systems are trash for privacy
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[jgmac1106] Google could microtarget better than anyone...not sure they did that to empower right wing extermists in ways that facebook does
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[jgmac1106] facebook could have shutdown the bugaloo group where extremists organized the murder of police officers (in an attempt to blame Black Lives Matter). Facebook chose not to
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[jgmac1106] facebook << https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/joe-facebook-helps-push-people-to-extremist-sites-85203013655
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/joe-facebook-helps-push-people-to-extremist-sites-85203013655" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70387&oldid=70386
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[KevinMarks] Google used to target on what people actually search for, but marketers all want to be Cy Ogle so they buy in shonky demographic data from credit rating agencies like Facebook does.
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[jgmac1106] section 230 going to be under attack from both sides for different reasons
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[jgmac1106] little bit of irony using rage to drive eyeballs to online video about a companay who uses rage to drive profits...but it is rage and lies...splitting hairs?
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[jgmac1106] "newsletters are broadcasting not community" no community has one space, you usually want multiple places to recruit and onboard...we have a newsletter, wiki(s), and chat
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[tantek] newsletters in the common usage (sign up for my newsletter!) are not community, they're POSSE for "thought leaders" (yes those are scare quotes)
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[tantek] we happen to use a newsletter as an incremental tool/service for a community, but that's more the exception in the "rise of newsletters" trend IMO. It's more POSSE by individuals or marketing by brands
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[tantek] getting kinda meta so I'll pick a more indieweb topic
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[tantek] anyone have a good way to convert Spotify links to songs or play lists into something more open / viewable without login?
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[tantek] I see Spotify links shared all the time for "this song" or "this playlist" and would love to be able to browse them (or even auto-convert them when blogging!) to something based on some open music database thingie
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aaronpk there's a service for this lol https://songwhip.com
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[tantek] whoa
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[tantek] that needs to get added to /Spotify#How_to
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aaronpk i feel like i've seen an open database version of this too but definitely can't remember the name
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[tantek] oh no wait that's different
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[tantek] you have to know what the song is in order to create a songwhip
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[tantek] I want a proxy that converts Spotify links to their open equivalent
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aaronpk i think you can paste a spotify link here https://songwhip.com/create
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[tantek] wat
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aaronpk yea! works
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aaronpk that's well done
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[KevinMarks] The most shareable links are YouTube ones, weirdly enough. Somehow adding video makes it OK
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[tantek] hmm, just tried it for a playlist spotify link and it didn't work
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aaronpk for a whole playlist?
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[tantek] yes
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://mxb.dev/blog/color-theme-switcher/ (from https://boffosocko.com/2020/06/17/color-theme-switcher-max-bock/)
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ARH Hey guys. You surely are familiar with IndieWeb post kinds. All of my blog posts have titles so how long a post should be to be considered an "article" instead of "note"?
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jacky ARH: it's not necessarily about length
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jacky have you checked out /note and /article?
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jacky what is a note
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Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indieweb.org/note
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jacky what is a article
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/article
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jacky it's more so "does this have a distinct title"
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jacky a better example of it would be how Tumblr lets you write text unbounded and it becomes a "article" when you give it a title
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ARH jacky: I haven't used Tumblr. So what do you think? I should set my post kinds to article no matter how long the length is?
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ARH OK I set posts longer than 400 words as articles.
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[KevinMarks]1 Look at if it makes sense to mark them up with a summary as well as a name. If you do a tldr or abstract, wrap that paragraph in p-summary
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