#indieweb 2020-07-16

2020-07-16 UTC
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[jgmac1106] oops frosti...we are talking right now about what is the easiest way to build a wall of long form writing...like a place anyone can write and share and get a link without signing on
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[jgmac1106] Who is jacky?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Jacky.wtf
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[jgmac1106] Who is jgmac1106?
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Loqi J. Gregory McVerry (Greg) is an educator trying to use the web to help engineer better teachers https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com
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[jgmac1106] What is webmentions?
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Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/webmentions
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Frosti sweet
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[jgmac1106] so the bot helps us find stuff and get to know each other
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[jgmac1106] Who is loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/User:Loqi.me
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[tantek] looks like at least one bluecheck account can tweet again: https://twitter.com/CAgovernor/status/1283561304997851137
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@CAgovernor Earlier this week, @CAPublicHealth ordered additional restrictions to slow the spread of #COVID19. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/13/california-to-close-indoor-restaurants-movie-theaters-and-bars-statewide-as-coronavirus-cases-rise.html (twitter.com/_/status/1283561304997851137)
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jacky they might be lifting it for some accounts if they're cleared / virus-free (lol)
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[chrisaldrich] The link for HWC West is now live: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/07/homebrew-website-club-west-coast-UWgdEMwxDSQI
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[jgmac1106] the club: http://tech-4-teens.club/posts/
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[schmarty] (notes from HWC West ^^)
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[jgmac1106] gwg up next and he is demoing his moon phase fixes
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[schmarty] luv a hectopascal
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[jgmac1106] I went first and talked about a club we started with the Elm Cuty Webmakers
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jacky raises hand to go after marty
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jacky * [schmarty]
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GWG [schmarty]: I prefer millibars sometime
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jacky ah I forgot there was an order
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acbilson https://alexbilson.dev/comments/2020-07-14_204612/
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Loqi Wow, this bookmarklet is such a smooth experience! Now I want one for myself… 💬 Max Böck - IndieWeb Link Sharing Posted Jul 14, 2020
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[chrisaldrich] https://etherpad.indieweb.org/2020-07-15-hwc-west-coast
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jacky just checked what aaronpkl
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jacky lol
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jacky just checked what aaronpk mentioned re: pine.blog; they do webmentions but for a fee
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[schmarty] jacky: yeah this is (maybe?) super interesting! looking at https://pine.blog/kb/cross_site_mentions
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[schmarty] it's definitely paid for!
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jacky yup!
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[schmarty] but i don't understand what it... do
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jacky tbh this is kinda what Lighthouse offers by way of "relays"
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jacky like it'll hold the Webmention info for you but send it to your Webmention endpoint (or you can use their reader to handle it)
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[tantek] wow this is a big group tonight!
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[tantek] did I miss the photo lol
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[jgmac1106] yeah super coool, lot of new faces
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jacky yeah lol
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[jgmac1106] yeah but we can do it again
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[schmarty] curious about the reader bit! like that is really a missing bit for webmentions in general
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[jgmac1106] I am about to sign off. I asked early as I knew I can't stay up late
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jacky is vested now to hammer that in
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[tantek] the reader bit needs to support WebSub to feel "real"
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[tantek] like immediate like social media
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[schmarty] jacky: i feel like i've only seen a few things you've said about webmention and moderation but i am _extremely_ interested to see your thoughts on that
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jacky I need to open it up more and show more screenshots tbh
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[schmarty] even "just show them in a place and put buttons to delete the bad things" feels like... more than most webmention implementations have?
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jacky yeah >_<
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aaronpk current social media isn't really realtime anymore except for notifications, so i challenge the assumption that websub is necessary
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aaronpk algorithmic timelines mean you'll see stuff whenever
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aaronpk notifications of responses should absolutely be realtime but those are done via...webmention!
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[jgmac1106] Angelo I switched torrent clients to rrnasmission from utorrent: https://transmissionbt.com/ I need to switch the links....makes me wonder if I could add an archive.org torrent link as a back up....
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[jgmac1106] transmission*
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[jgmac1106] yeah I will just add two links, the one I am seeding and an archive.org as backup in case I am not seeding
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[jgmac1106] happy to redo photo if folks want, I am gonna go to bed
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jacky wants to continue the websub vs webmentions in microsub clikents after hwc west
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aaronpk would do that
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[jgmac1106] I want websub in my reader to send myself to-do messages...maybe have a timer countdown..not sure
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[jgmac1106] good night all
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Loqi don't let the bed bugs bite
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jacky ^ now that is good
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[tantek] nah everything like FB to GH etc are realtime in terms of showing you comments and such showing up on posts
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jacky wanted to take advantage of HWC to do this chat face to face
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jacky so like I see websub as useful for pushing info from feeds in "real time" but webmentions are more useful for explicitly solicited engagement which also happens to be real time as well
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jacky I think they're _both_ needed for a complete experience
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[tantek] I think it would be good for a popup!
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jacky ah yeah
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[tantek] popups would likely work better for focused technical discussions
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aaronpk the immediacy of notifications is important, but if new posts fetched from a feed are delayed a few minutes it's no big deal
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jacky aaronpk: that depends on the feed!
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[tantek] I like that HWC is open and welcoming to talk about anything rndom
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aaronpk sure but like, not required
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jacky ah yeah not required for sure
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jacky _but_
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aaronpk however i think it would be weird if webmentions were not normally nearly instant
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[tantek] we don't have readers yet that show you the comments on a post while looking at the post, and update that in realtime as new comments show up.
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jacky if it's a SHOULD instead of a MAY then it'd be more encouraged lol
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[schmarty] YES, this is an intensely interesting aspect of webmentions.
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[schmarty] i once ran a matrix homeserver so i had a private space for a chatbot. one of the things in there was a webmention notifier
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jacky watches the backlog of things to "do" grow
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[schmarty] designing those notifications was super interesting and *way* different than how they would show up on my website
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[tantek] yeah realtime is not really about notifications or red numbers
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[schmarty] to be honest i am not 100% sure exactly how i got to where i am now, but now i have webmentions landing in my aperture Notifications channel
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jacky sounds like the json feed from webmention.io
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[tantek] I mean push notifications are more realtime to be fair
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[schmarty] and for the volume of interactions i get on my site that is good enough. like i don't need it to be realtime because i so frequently look at monocle or indigenous
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[schmarty] and i generally prefer that to the old push notification method most of the time
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[tantek] yeah notification fatigue is real
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jacky this is making me wonder if I should collapse some of the functionality I have for Lwa into Lighthouse
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jacky [in terms of removing the notification function in Lwa and put it into a "channel"/view for Lighthouse
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "From Indieweb Monolith to Microservices" https://vincentp.me/articles/2020/07/16/16-20/
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[KevinMarks] This might be worth a pitch https://summit.creativecommons.org/2020-call-for-proposals/
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[KevinMarks] @tantek webmention.herokuapp.com shows comments in real time, but on the post, not in a reader.
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[KevinMarks] I suppose a reader could check it too
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[Gavin_Morrice] Hello everyone! My name is Gavin, I'm a full-stack web developer from Scotland. Nice to be part of this cool movement!
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swentel welcome :)
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[Ana_Rodrigues] Welcome!
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[Gavin_Morrice] 🙂 thanks!
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[jgmac1106] I want to think of notifications, parsers, websub and smart tutors...like I see webmentions.io as a ledger....and I could see an HTMl parser doing some basic frequency counts of elements...no ML just triggers...then a chatbot like Marty discussed might send a webmention saying something like "you need to have more quotes)
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[jgmac1106] ...because the user didn't hit X number of blockquotes by Y date
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[chrisaldrich] What is mattermost?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mattermost" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "mattermost is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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resynth1943 Hello?
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resynth1943 I would like to ask why the website states "The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the "corporate web".", while also using Google Analytics? Google Analytics is a corporate product. Where's the alternative here?
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resynth1943 It's also harmful to privacy. Is this website FOSS?
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resynth1943 I am, of course, referring to indieweb.org
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aaronpk short answer: usefathom.com, and no
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aaronpk long answer: i'll respond in the meta channel
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