#indieweb 2020-07-17
2020-07-17 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] What are analytics?
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Loqi analytics is the collection, analysis and reporting of a websites traffic https://indieweb.org/analytics
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Learning247 Hello
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# Lweasel Hello?
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# [chrisaldrich] What is everyone working on tonight? I've been exploring kickscondor.com to figure out how to add a telnet BBS to my website...
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "everyone working on tonight" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "everyone working on tonight is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [chrisaldrich] :exploding_head:
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jacky right now, trying to polish up the editor interface for /Koype/Publish so it's like cleaner
# [chrisaldrich] I think I might have to go back to tinkering on a WordPress theme, the telnet into a BBS is beyond my ability tonight.
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Zegnat Interesting to see an idea spread around the “blogosphere”, anyone know of any more blogs that added this recently? https://indieweb.org/email#Examples
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petermolnar well, that started with wired? or something like that, who stopped doing comments a long while ago
# petermolnar let me dig that up
# petermolnar it was motherboard, but the original link is 404 since... http://motherboard.vice.com/read/im-on-twitter-too ; it's at https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jp5yx8/im-on-twitter-too now
# petermolnar I certainly like the idea
# petermolnar hm.... integromat has a mailhook. That sounds like it could be made into a mail2webmention
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[Murray] [Zegnat] related, saw Chris Coyier tweet about this the other day https://twitter.com/chriscoyier/status/1283082321554403330?s=20 Mentions that CSS Tricks uses something like that but don't subscribe to confirm.
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@chriscoyier This "add a mailto: link to RSS entries" thing struck a bit of a nerve. It's a neat idea! https://email-is-good.com/2020/07/14/rss-with-reply-via-email/ (twitter.com/_/status/1283082321554403330)
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# petermolnar email++
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# [chrisaldrich] For people moving away from platforms like Facebook, RSS/email newsletters with email reply capability lowers the barrier for friends and family without their own websites to interact with those that do: Subscribe to a site via various means and use email to comment seems like an interesting thing to support.
# [chrisaldrich] I ran across a small group of people the other day adding additional information in their feeds that wasn't in the original online content, sort of Easter egg content that privileged feed readers.
# Zegnat [chrisaldrich]: like https://daverupert.com/rss-club/?
# [chrisaldrich] Yes, I think it was on Tons site where I saw it first... of course we just broke the first rule....
# [chrisaldrich] so they're not using a web ring set up to drive it? 😉
# [chrisaldrich] ... /discovery can be hard (especially when the group is hiding it....)
# Zegnat This was the preface to the blog post I just read this week (from someone ot in the RSS Club OPML): https://imgur.com/mRoSUP8
# [chrisaldrich] the 404 of that imgur page is /fun
# Zegnat "Tell your friends (to get an RSS reader)." - https://i.imgur.com/WcQzpiP.png
# [chrisaldrich] This type of extra content could be an interesting way to drive more people to use readers....
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "coaching" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "coaching is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Zegnat Hmm. Did we have anything on that? Reminded of it because of this: https://colly.com/stream/new-work-for-dan-ritz
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# [chrisaldrich] What is consulting?
# Loqi A consultant is someone you can hire to help complete specific projects; there are a few consultants in the IndieWeb community that have experience helping people setup and maintain their own sites, and are available to help you do the same; details inside https://indieweb.org/consulting
# [chrisaldrich] ^^ Zegnat?
# [chrisaldrich] There was also a mentor/mentee model in early IndieWebCamps....
# [chrisaldrich] What is an apprentice?
# Loqi An apprentice, in the context of the indieweb, is an IndieWebCamp participant who has not yet setup a personal domain with IndieAuth, but is passionate about owning their identity & data on the web and dedicated to doing so, with the help of a creator https://indieweb.org/apprentice
# [chrisaldrich] that was the word they used...
# [chrisaldrich] notes that page hasn't been updated since 2014
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# [chrisaldrich] Simon's site sure has some interesting examples of things.. timelines... maps...
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Day 3 Wrap Up" http://tech-4-teens.club/2020/07/14/day-3-wrap-up/
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[jgmac1106] kinda want to expand this page and talk about how your first customer becomes your most expensive customer as databases and code changes lead to a lifetime of bespoke coding and often the only churn you want are your platinum-level customers https://indieweb.org/platinum-level_customer_support
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# [jgmac1106] might have to do it then...my guess many companies or websiteswho store user data....have similar tales...
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# [jgmac1106] and it works for IndieWeb...I am my only platinum customer and hugely expensive PITA
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# [michael_lewis] Hello again. Finally got my a-bit-more-ambitious-than-I-originally-anticipated lockdown side project into a state where I can show a small number of other people.
# [michael_lewis] It's a search engine dedicated to searching personal and independent websites, and which promotes results without adverts. Plus you can access your indexed data via a REST API, so you should be able to add a search box to your own site quite easily (although this isn't one of the things I've tested yet).
# [michael_lewis] It should be easy to index your site if you have IndieAuth setup (using indielogin.com at the moment - thanks aaronpk - but I know I should setup up my own implementation).
# [michael_lewis] Anyway - link is https://searchmysite.net/ if anyone is interested. Just indexing my personal site at the moment.
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# [snarfed] also feel free to add to https://indieweb.org/search
# [michael_lewis] I've got a draft article all about the tech stack - hope to publish on my site over the weekend. But in short, search is Apache Solr, indexing is via Scrapy, back end if Python Flask, there's a small Postgres DB for confir, and hosting is on AWS.
# [michael_lewis] I currently recrawl every 4 days, and limit indexing to 200 pages, but those are just arbitrary numbers to stop the index getting too big, and I may change.
# [snarfed] oh and feel free to use http://www.indiemap.org/ to seed it with more sites
# [snarfed] i know you mention on https://searchmysite.net/pages/about/ that you want the site owner to verify first that they want their site indexed, but you may want to reconsider that, since it's going to severely limit your index size, which will severely limit how useful it is
# [snarfed] oh and you'll probably want to consider bumping up the 200 pages per site limit, as you mentioned. indieweb sites are often bigger than that, especially since they often include likes, replies, etc. eg my site has ~11.5k pages, and it's probably in the middle of the range for this community
# [michael_lewis] Blimey, that's a big site. Thanks for submitting BTW. Taking a while to index, but just about there.
# [snarfed] heh yeah now i'm curious too. the "Pages by domain" graph here is a start: https://indiemap.org/docs.html#graph-crawl
# [jgmac1106] I like idea of opt in search engine... In fact I would love to be able to select which post types get crawled
# [jgmac1106] ... 200 pages is 2-4 days for a bunch of us
# [jgmac1106] michael-lewis++
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# [snarfed] finally got back to this, here's the histogram of sites in indie map by number of pages, bucketed: https://snarfed.org/sites_by_num_pages.png
# [michael_lewis] [jgmac1106] I guess I'm used to old school longform blogging, not this newfangled microblogging:-) So might need some kind of filters. Customisable filters is a good idea. I'll need to look at these sites and indexed more.
# [chrisaldrich] Yes, my site just passed the 23,000 post mark (the majority in the last year and a half)....
# [chrisaldrich] 200 posts is alright if I can make it choose just "articles" maybe?
# [chrisaldrich] But this is a great start, particularly if it is a community-based project.
# [chrisaldrich] [michael_lewis]++
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# [michael_lewis] Thanks [Murray]. You've given me an idea for a more fair random page - instead of picking one page from the entire collection, pick a random domain from the entire collection and then a random page from that domain, so everyone gets the same chance.
# [michael_lewis] Thanks for the graph [snarfed]. Looks like 500 to 800 pages would provide complete coverage for over half the sites. I've increased the limit from 200 to 400 for now (will take effect for already indexed sites on their next reindex), although will need to look at how this affects index time etc.
# [michael_lewis] Sounds like I definitely need to take more of a look at these sites with all the micro posts and work out how best to handle them in a search.
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