#indieweb 2020-08-05
2020-08-05 UTC
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[tb] Woo, finally owning my shortlinks! Added a tracker-free link service to Singulus tonight and all my posts automatically get a link now at thb.pub https://tonyburns.net/notes/935893/
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# Kappa Greetings, I got two questions about webmentions.
# Kappa Is is possible to reply to a link with hashtag like below?
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[KevinMarks] yes, but you're relying on the site receiving the webmention to interpret it
# [KevinMarks] what is marginalia?
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Loqi Marginalia are responses to parts of a post, rather than posts as a whole; they are typically published (on another site) with a fragmention link to the specific part (like a paragraph), notified via Webmention, and displayed on the post adjacent to the referenced part (like sidebar comments next to paragraphs) https://indieweb.org/marginalia
# Kappa @Kevin, OK
# Kappa Got another question :)
# Kappa Let's say my webpage is A, someone replied using his/her own webpage (B)
# Kappa He/shre send a webmention reply to me, his/her reply is displayed in A
# Kappa When I reply back (C), I reply to B (using u-in-reply-to).
# Kappa How to make my reply to display in A too?
# [KevinMarks] so that gets a bit more complicated - there is an idea of how to do this - what is salmention?
# [KevinMarks] hm
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# Kappa I see, really looks more complicated after checking out
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# Kappa ok got it, thanks Kevin for the help
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# [KevinMarks] Well, it is an intrinsically difficult problem, even twitter who have all the comments in the same database find it hard to represent the branching graph of linked comments
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# [KevinMarks] we did it with actual community member names before
# [KevinMarks] what is SWAT0?
# Loqi SWAT0 is an abbreviation for The Social Web Acid Test level 0, a user-feature interoperability test for social web functionality defined on 2010-07-18 at FSWS2010, and most recently demonstrated passing with IndieWeb examples live at IndieWebCamp 2015 https://indieweb.org/SWAT0
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# [KevinMarks] Aaron, Ben and Kyle
# [KevinMarks] Acegiak has implemented Salmentions, so she could be A
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# Kappa Hey, I am not a programmer so it would be difficult for me to read the salmention spec.
# Kappa For E-mail, they use Message-ID to link related emails/threads.
# Kappa Before heard of salmention just now, I was thinking if I could use
# Kappa the #webmention-id and replies (like https://URL#wm-1234, where 1234 is the wm-id)
# Kappa to a page to link related replies together
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# Kappa oh that's cool
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[chrisaldrich] Kappa, what platform is your website built upon? I ask because WordPress can do threaded replies with webmention via its comment areas, particularly if you have the proper mark up within your theme.
# [chrisaldrich] Bridgy also supports this sort of threaded conversation from my site to twitter using the fragment pattern you had asked about earlier: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/02/threaded-conversations-between-wordpress-and-twitter/
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# Kappa Hello, I am using Pelican so it's SSG, just like 11ty. I know html/css/jinja template more than python/JS
# Kappa Ok, go back to the related threads question. Here's an example. (A) is my webpage
# Loqi [Kappa] This is my first post https://www.kappawingman.com/posts/siteinfo/2020/03/28/first-post/first-post-StockSnap_04HR3ASS4J.webp
# Kappa ..
# Kappa Someone write a reply (B) and send a webmention to my webpage
# Kappa The WM permalink is displayed as https://www.kappawingman.com/posts/siteinfo/2020/03/28/first-post/#wm-825213
# Kappa ..
# Kappa I use a web page (C): https://www.kappawingman.com/posts/reply/2020/08/04/reply-to-anonymous-about-first-post/
# Kappa to reply it. The WM perm link is displayed as
# Kappa ..
# Kappa As you can see the discussion are separated (one is the topmost and the related one is at the bottom).
# Kappa It may be confusing to follow. To my understanding, I need salmentions for grouping related discussions?
# Kappa Or I am using the wrong approach? I should display my reply in C only instead of A?
# Kappa I am not sure if Bridgy could help because the discussions do not involve other social media. It's discussion over WM only.
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# [chrisaldrich] Kappa, why not write your reply to B directly within your comments section on the same post as A? With the proper mark up, you can then send the mention back to B directly from there with a link like https://www.kappawingman.com/posts/siteinfo/2020/03/28/first-post/#wm-reply-to-B. If B chooses to reply either in-line on their site or not, it shouldn't matter and you can have the threaded reply and proper contextualization on your site.
# Loqi [Kappa] This is my first post https://www.kappawingman.com/posts/siteinfo/2020/03/28/first-post/first-post-StockSnap_04HR3ASS4J.webp
# [chrisaldrich] I'll mention that this should work out of the box for WordPress websites out of the box with Webmention and the Semantic Linkbacks plugins set up.
# [chrisaldrich] I particularly like the fact that I can use my dashboard to quickly write replies to replies directly from that UI without needing to create separate posts and break the flow of the conversation (or losing the context).
# Kappa I have to check on it again.. because the article (A) already composed as a h-entry
# Kappa It seems there is problem with multiple h-entries in a same post with my previous testing
# Kappa I mean post = a html
# Kappa the article itself, h-entry, my reply to B would be another h-entry. though they are not overlapped/embedded with each other.
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# Kappa I am thinking if I should add perma links in my reply, to indicate which reply I am referring to
# [chrisaldrich] Kappa, as an example, take at a look at the mark up on this page: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/01/refbacks-support-for-my-website/#So%20the%20linkspammers%20have%20stopped and its replies and the fragment URLs.
# [chrisaldrich] Since this is getting into the weeds, we also ought to move to the #indieweb-dev channel to continue....
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# Kappa ok let me take some time to digest the link first
# [chrisaldrich] It does take a bit of thinking to get the small pieces right on mark up, but it works out well because of the modularity. It also doesn't require getting into the heavier weeds of things like salmentions.
# Kappa So one possible method is to reply the incoming webmentions by the 'Leave a Reply' section
# Kappa ok I see it's in dev channel now, let me switch to dev
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