#indieweb 2020-08-08

2020-08-08 UTC
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] it appears they're also calling quote tweets "retweets with comments" now, AND you don't have to do anything special in the API to create one ther than citing a single tweet permalink in the content of your post! E.g. my "normal" note/tweet post that happened to have a tweet permalink in it showed up in this list: https://twitter.com/mozilla/status/1291504303870562305/retweets/with_comments
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@mozilla The California Senate needs to send this bill back to the drawing board. Law shouldn't mandate technical standards, especially when that technology could be used to discriminate and exclude vulnerable communities. https://mzl.la/2PwndKl (twitter.com/_/status/1291504303870562305)
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gRegorLove Using tweet permalink to QT has worked like that for a long time
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[tb] Ah I read the list more closely now [snarfed] — I saw a few newer gTLDs in there and must've assumed it was more comprehensive than it actually is
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[tantek] gRegorLove, I knew it worked to make it look like a QT, however I was surprised to see it *included* in a list of "retweets with comments"
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[chrisaldrich] I think if I were building that Twitter display UI I would (for right to left languages which tend to put more value on objects on the right) put the Quote Tweets first followed by retweets and then likes since those are more likely(?) to add greater value to the conversation.
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[chrisaldrich] Is there a reason I'm not seeing that they don't show the same sort of UI parity for replies, quote tweets, retweets, and likes as either stand alone versions versus Tweets in the bigger stream?
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[jeremycherfas] Instagram suddenly upped and allowed 60 posts through to the Granary RSS. I have no idea why.
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prologic Can someone help me fix the tooltip positions on https://twtxt.net/ for the Camera/Upload button/tooltip
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prologic For some reason I have somehow made this a bit inconsistent :/
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Zegnat I guess that feature is behind a login, prologic?
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prologic Yes it is
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prologic Sorry :)
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prologic You can't make a Twt (post) without having some kind of "identity" to create a feed on
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prologic But you need only a username/password (email is entirely optional)
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[tantek] prologic, IndieWeb development related questions / requests for help are more appropriate in the #indieweb-dev channel, and even then that sounds like a general web dev question rather than about something IndieWeb specific.
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prologic sure
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prologic nps
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[tantek] thank you!
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jacky is joining the popup in like ~5
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[jgmac1106] Hello all
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[chrisaldrich] morning [jgmac1106]. Is your power back on?
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[jgmac1106] No. Hoping sometime this weekend but my expectation is Tuesday night.
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[jgmac1106] Worse all the generators on cell towers failed.. Signal weak at best.. But more chat.. Hope all is well
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[jgmac1106] As callback to admin tax and tinkering... Admintax takes the joy of tinkering... They are different too me.
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[jgmac1106] As someone managing a youth club of WordPress sites though... So my version of admintax comes with a bias... Plus as a Known user... Admin tax = less tinker
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[jgmac1106] Though tinkering increase admin tax usually...
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[chrisaldrich] For those interested, please take a moment to add your general interest or specific date interest to a potential IndieWebCamp East for Fall 2020 https://indieweb.org/Planning#North_America_East_.28Online.29; If you'd like to volunteer some time/talent for planning, also list your potential interest there as well.
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[tb] Added! Really looking forward to it
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[tb] Which also reminds me I was talking about an HWC East the other day with a few folks here, what's it take to get something spun up for that?
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[snarfed] [tb] it’s pretty easy! https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#How_to_Organize
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[chrisaldrich] [tb] I'll bet if you can arrange an upcoming date with GWG, [schmarty], jmac or [jgmac1106] (when his power is back on) they'd probably be willing to help you out 🙂
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[chrisaldrich] if you have questions or need help, ask in the #indieweb-meta channel
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[tb] Perfect, would love to set something up — I'll move my musings on it over to #indieweb-meta 😄
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[jgmac1106] [tb] I just need parent friendly timing... Nothing happy about happy hour times with three kids...
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[tantek] what is a commonplace book
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Loqi A Commonplace book (or commonplaces) are a way to compile and store knowledge, usually by writing information into books, notebooks, card catalogs, or in more modern settings on one's own website https://indieweb.org/commonplace_book
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[tantek] from reading https://thestudy.substack.com/p/the-study-issue-32-keeping-a-commonplace a "Commonplace Book" sounds exactly like a personal wiki, except in physical paper form
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[tantek] ok now I'm confused how I found that article because it's NOT in our wiki and I thought for sure I saw it from one of you
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[chrisaldrich] It was from the article by Cascadia that aaron booked to indienews
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[chrisaldrich] Tracy's post I'm pretty sure....
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[chrisaldrich] when I saw her mention digital gardens and commonplace books in her piece I was sort of surprised that she apparently hasn't come across those things in the wiki 🙂
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[tantek] commonplace book << 2020-06-10 [https://thestudy.substack.com/p/the-study-issue-32-keeping-a-commonplace The Study: Issue #32 — Keeping a Commonplace Book] <blockquote>Commonplace Book is NOT: … a journal, … your collection of morning pages., … a stream of consciousness rambling of your thoughts.</blockquote>…<blockquote>…NOT using these apps as your permanent commonplace book repositories though. Apps die and technologies change, butâ€
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[tantek] <br/><br/><br/>…paper is forever</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "2020-06-10 [https://thestudy.substack.com/p/the-study-issue-32-keeping-a-commonplace The Study: Issue #32 — Keeping a Commonplace Book] <blockquote>Commonplace Book is NOT: … a journal, … your collection of morning pages., … a stream of consciousness rambling of your thoughts.</blockquote>…<blockquote>…NOT using these apps as your permanent commonplace book repositories though. Apps die and technologies change, butâ€" to the "See Also" section of /commonplace_book https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=71964&oldid=71963
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[tantek] whoa unicode fail Loqi!
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[tantek] that's new aaronpk ^
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[tantek] what happens if I emoji 🤔
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aaronpk i think that's a slack or paste fail
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[tantek] what is 🤔
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "🤔" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "🤔 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk i see junk chars in IRC
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[tantek] nope I typed in … myself
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[tantek] I only see junk chars from Loqi
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aaronpk that one worked
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[tantek] Loqi, … or 🤔 ?
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Loqi …
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aaronpk yeah i dunno what you mean, check the web logs
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[tantek] I mean here in Slack, I see — and … just fine in what I typed, and junk in what Loqi echo'd back in the "Ok..."
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aaronpk everything after the wiki edit looks fine in irc and the web logs so i dunno why that one failed
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[tantek] I have a theory
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[tantek] idk either and my theory has been refuted
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[tantek] that Commonplace Book article is the first time the concept has really made sense to me, because the article clearly delineates what it is NOT as well as what it is
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[tantek] and based on that article, it's not "just" a personal site
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[tantek] nor even typical or most personal sites
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[tantek] hence the blockquotes provided
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[tw2113] aaronpk would be so proud of me today, i'm getting to use OAuth2 to get my fitbit data
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[tantek] what is fitbit
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Loqi FitBit is a hardware device and service for tracking exercise, sleep, and other physical activity https://indieweb.org/FitBit
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[tantek] tw2113 cool! Can you add yourself and how/what you're doing to https://indieweb.org/FitBit#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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[tw2113] I'll try to remember to do that once i have a more solid complete implementation
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[tantek] it's totally ok and encouraged to add an *incomplete* implementation or un-solid 🙂
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[tantek] if you feel it is so experimental as to not really "count" (which frankly if you're actually getting data via OAuth2, even semi-manually, that counts), then you can instead add a new subsection to /FitBit#Brainstorming (or create the section if it's not there yet)
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[tantek] stepping and adding yourself on "in progress" stuff like that helps others feel encouraged to also do so, and if they find you on the page, they can offer to collaborate!
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[tantek] plus it feels good to update your entry there with each improvement in your support / implementation
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[tw2113] "intending to" wording it is
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[tantek] what is IndieWeb Examples
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb Examples" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieWeb Examples is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] wat
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[tantek] IndieWeb Examples is a [[expand_a_page#Common_Sections|common section]] of many IndieWeb wiki pages that lists IndieWeb community members (and sometimes others) who have implemented a particular feature or technology, or who actively use it, on their personal site. Everyone is encouraged to add themselves to such sections as part of [[wikifying]], even and especially if you feel your use or implementation is experimental, partial, or otherwise
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[tantek] incomplete.
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Loqi ok