#indieweb 2020-09-08

2020-09-08 UTC
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[Rose] Good morning IndieWeb
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[Ana_Rodrigues] Morning : )
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[jeremycherfas] Good morning [Rose] and [Ana_Rodrigues]
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[James_Gallaghe] Good morning IndieWeb 🙂
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Rethinking the Blog" https://jamesg.blog/2020/09/08/rethinking-the-blog.html
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[tantek] Good morning IndieWeb, anyone discovering how dependent they may be on Google Drive this morning?
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aaronpk did something happen to google drive?
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[tantek] lolol let me get the tweets. hint: it hit top 5 trending on Twitter
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/nicfinelli/status/1303359169999900672
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@nicfinelli 11:00am ET/ 8am PT - Looks like a lot of downed areas for Google Drive. https://downdetector.com/status/google-drive/map/ Checks the status of a lot of systems. First day of school for many and the entire US is online. Makes sense. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhZ2QgIXYAckHsd.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1303359169999900672)
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aaronpk wow
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[tantek] yeah, first day of school for many, nbd
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[tantek] https://twitter.com/griffinbarriss/status/1303382400332967937
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@griffinbarriss My virst e-snow day developing as Google Drive decided to pull the plug on me and most of America #PandemicLife https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhaK-EsX0AoUTlH.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1303382400332967937)
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[James_Gallaghe] Wow
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[James_Gallaghe] I’ve not got another word to describe what is going on 😉
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[James_Gallaghe] 🙂
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GWG Anyone have any thoughts on a good sales pitch for Micropub in Core WordPress?
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[tantek] GWG, my understanding is the better the condition and usage of the Plugin, the better the chance it has of landing into Core
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GWG [tantek]: The issue is Microformats
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[tantek] for Micropub? how?
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[tantek] oh lets take that to #indieweb-dev to be clear
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GWG Okay
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GWG I'll leave sales pitch here
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[tantek] GWG, my point is, how is your pitch for the Micropub plugin itself?
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GWG I think it is good, but I want to update it in case this is an opening
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GWG They've left it to Peter Wilson to evaluate, who has been in the chat in the past.
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GWG [tantek]: Without dev talk, why would Micropub be a good thing for any project to support?
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aaronpk wider support for posting to the site from other apps
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aaronpk e.g. the new Sunlit app from micro.blog
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[tantek] GWG, depends on Micropub client support vs server support. What aaronpk says is correct for why a project should add Micropub server support.
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GWG That's what I want to write up tonight to get excitement
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GWG Might write it on my site and quote it in the ticket
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[chrisaldrich] One of the pitches I've seen that is of interest to developers/agencies building for clients who seem to have a difficult time "teaching" the WordPress interface to end users is that it could greatly simplify the process of adding content to their sites. Most people don't need a full editor (Gutenberg or the Classic Editor with dozens and dozens of meta boxes), so having only a few simple bits of interface helps people not only use their
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[chrisaldrich] sites, but likely post more often because it's easier.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: That's a good one
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[chrisaldrich] I could also imagine agencies who build for clients hosting custom clients (with their branding potentially) for easy posting, but also helping to maintain an ongoing relationship with those agencies.
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[pfefferle] the indieauth dependency might be a problem?
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[chrisaldrich] Having an import/export client that used Micropub would be an awesome use case too... (but that doesn't exist--yet.)
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[chrisaldrich] There are also lots of people using WordPress as a headless CMS, and micropub could also be incredibly useful there as well.
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[chrisaldrich] And of course, my favorite fantasy: If someone built micropub support for Gutenberg, then WordPress could leverage it as an editor client for every other CMS and site product out there...
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GWG [pfefferle]: Yes, but one problem at a time
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[chrisaldrich] If you want GWG, I can go to that core thread and add some of these so you're not the only one weighing in on the issue.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Please do
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GWG I'm going to write a post tonight with some thoughts and link to it
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[chrisaldrich] I need to finish up some thoughts on my piece and push it to A List Apart as a follow up on my series....
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[tantek] [pfefferle] ironically, in the WordPress case, it seems the IndieAuth depedency fits quite well since there is the "no touch" IndieAuth plugin which allows you to use your own WordPress site as your IndieAuth endpoint, re-using all the existing login/auth for your WordPress site
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[pfefferle] from the indieweb perspective yes
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[pfefferle] but I am not sure, the WordPress community has the same opinion
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GWG [pfefferle]: It may go nowhere, but never hurts to try
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[pfefferle] sure
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[tantek] the WordPress community seemed to be very "your website is your identity / brand" etc. at WordCamp USA
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[tantek] which is the user-perspective of IndieAuth, IndieAuth itself is just the plumbing for "your website is your identity"
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GWG [tantek]: Yet they decided to go another way for auth
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[tantek] what other way?
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GWG JWT
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aaronpk that doesn’t preclude indieauth
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GWG No, but dynamic client registration
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