#indieweb 2020-09-07
2020-09-07 UTC
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[fluffy] yeah linkedin is trying really hard to be a Very Social Network and it’s annoying. Especially with the mobile app, where at least it lets you disable categories of notifications based on not wanting to see particular things. I only even have the app installed because I know *one person* who insists on communicating that way.
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[tw2113] [tantek] slightly modified because i want to hide some UI, but you get the general gist with https://cloudup.com/cgecwCNCG08
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# Batzy [tw2113]: just make twitbook which automagically posts to both at the same time :)
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# Batzy aaronpk: what do you use to track your sleep btw
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[chrisaldrich] What is sleep?
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Loqi sleep is a passive metrics post type that indicates how much time (and often a graph of how deeply) a person has slept https://indieweb.org/sleep
# [chrisaldrich] Batzy, his example and some details are on that link ^^
# Batzy ah got it, ty
# [chrisaldrich] aaronpk++ for documenting his site, and for revealing it with simple questions in chat Loqi++
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[Murray] !tell [tantek] on LI groups: understand them? Vaguely. Have used them for work? Yeah, a fair bit. They tend to be one of two things: either private message boards (often invite only), kind of pseudo-networking rings within the larger networking context of LI; or (for things like microformats) public noticeboards centred around a specific topic. For that last one, people tend to follow them to discuss things, share interesting articles, and even
# [Murray] Slack channels etc. quite a bit. In tech, particularly for Junior-Mid level developers, they're a great outreach platform, but they mainly work in more social-centred career spaces, like HR, events, etc. I know someone who runs a wedding business and manages the largest relevant group on the platform, it's a major source of income for her at this point (or was pre-COVID, haven't really kept track on what's changed in the last 3-4 months). Hope that
# [Murray] seek help. I'm a member of a few London-based ones around the React and Ruby community as part of SM outreach for my last job, but I rarely dip into them. Mainly, I interact with posts that the admins "promote", which sends a notification to anyone subscribed to the group. Those tend to be informative, often blog posts outside of the platform, from what I've seen. They also help promote off-site or community endeavours, like conferences, meetups,
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[jgmac1106] LinkedIn groups aren't very groupy almost all of them seem one way broadcasting of content marketing material
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# [Murray] For public groups I'd definitely agree, particularly as the topics get broader. But for networking rings they are incredibly chatty. I know there are a couple of groups in London which people/companies go to extreme lengths to get invites to because of the information shared on them and discussions had.
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# schmudde Hello. Trying some Indieweb stuff. Things are working. But I have a fundamental question.
# schmudde I added webmention.io and indieauth.com links to my website.
# schmudde But I don't really understand the fundamental difference between the technologies.
# schmudde 1) It looks like indieauth.com does not accept Twitter as an authentication server. But it does accept GitHub. Is there a reason for this?
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# schmudde 2) Indieauth does have a token_endpoint. Is this token only used for pub and not sub? I have not done anything with publications yet.
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# [James_Gallaghe] what is webmention
# [James_Gallaghe] You can ask Loqi, the IndieWeb bot, for more information:
# [James_Gallaghe] IndieAuth lets you authenticate to web services (like the IndieWeb wiki) using your domain name or the services to which you link. Webmention, on the other hand, is a way to have conversations across different sites.
# Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
# schmudde But I have used IndieAuth to configure Monocole/Aperature. In theory, this is just Indieauth and I'm not using the token, correct?
# schmudde Thanks [James_Gallaghe]
# schmudde I'm logged into the IndieWeb wiki. In theory, if I'm just subscribing to services using a Microsub, I could just be using Indieauth, correct?
# schmudde I see. I like all these various ways of authentication. The plurality is relaly smart.
# schmudde what is indieauth
# Loqi IndieAuth is a federated login protocol for Web sign-in, enabling users to use their own domain to sign in to other sites and services https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth
# schmudde what is micropub
# Loqi Micropub is an open API standard (W3C Recommendation) for creating, editing, and deleting posts on websites, like on your own domain, supported by numerous third-party clients and CMSs https://indieweb.org/Micropub
# schmudde Okay. That helps. Micropub is *not* for "publishing comments." Micropub is for publishing posts whereas Webmentions will always be threaded from some originating post.
# schmudde It really helps to talk this out. Appreciated.
# [James_Gallaghe] Yeah. Happy to help!
# [James_Gallaghe] Webmentions are mainly for comments / likes / responding to posts. Micropub lets you submit and edit posts to your own website.
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# schmudde Ah okay. I understand the difference, but I think I have trouble separating them because Webmentions can also appear on my own website. So the best order of operations is to get my Micropub working (either on my site or on something like Microblog - probably the former) and then get my Webmetions working?
# [James_Gallaghe] It depends on your goals. If you just want to show comments and reactions that other people have to your content on your site, you only need Webmentions. If you want to post content to your site, you’ll need Micropub.
# [James_Gallaghe] But, say, if you are developing a static site, you don’t need Micropub because all your content would live in static files.
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# [jgmac1106] Murray one difference between LinkedIn and Twitter... Twitter hasn't broken down and turned DMs into a drip campaign channel
# schmudde great. Yeah, I'm starting with a static site. That makes sense.
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# [Murray] @schmudde: just because I know this tripped me up for a while, two things to consider. 1) you don't "need" any parts of IndieWeb tech at all, they all work (pretty much) without each other, so order isn't that important, although 2) probably the most useful within the community is IndieAuth, just because so many services use it to allow access, but this is *different* to IndieAuth.com (the service). You might want to look at indielogin.com for a
# schmudde No, it all helps [Murray]. I've been a bit confused at times. I'll record my particular order and post it as a Getting Started. But you raise a very important point - a federated technology probably doesn't have a linear adoption path.
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# [James_Gallaghe] I agree. With the IndieWeb, you can take everything at your own pace.
# [James_Gallaghe] Really, after you’ve set up a domain name and a site, it’s up to you what order you do things in. I’ve set up Webmentions on my site but only on certain pages. I’ve probably skipped a few steps on the “Getting Started” guide because they don’t apply to me. It’s all about doing what matters most to you.
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# avalos_ Hello! We were discussing about identity proofs a while ago, in this channel.
# avalos_ I mentioned an alternative to Keybase and Keys.pub, but I didn't remember the name.
# avalos_ Well, I found it: https://keyoxide.org/
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gRegorLove Howdy, indieweb